Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. The fundamental conceit was that we were falling behind, that we were the laughing stock of the world. So i, donald trump, will restore us to preeminence, to our rightful place in the world. Make America Great again. The core of that entire premise is, was, a con. And the Trump Campaign has admitted as much when they coined the reelection slogan make America Great again again. Might be the single biggest admission of failure in the history of american president ial politics. And first the idea america was in utter shambles in 2016 was a ridiculous premise. But now we are precisely what donald trump said we were before he was elected. It was the ultimate act of projection. Indeed, of prediction. He said we were the laughing stock of the world and then he made us into the laughing stock of the world. Coronavirus hit the whole world. You know, back in the early days of the pandemic, march and april sitting here talking to you with this camera, we all struggled together. There was this incredible sense of international solidarity. We watched china shut down, right, when the outbreaks started. Read the stories of the crazy quarantines and we saw the images of the empty streets in italy. And then in france and in spain and then it came here. First the west coast and then to new york city. At one point, we had nearly four billion people under lockdown across the world. The empty plazas and stores, we were all in it together. Six months later, that is no longer the case. Almost everyone else has moved on. This is wuhan, china, where it all started at a water park. These are the spanish steps in italy. This is the beach in australia. And a rugby match in new zealand. People are going to concerts, sporting events. Theyre going to weddings and funerals. Most of these countries have basically beaten the virus, but not here. In the United States, our leadership failed. Donald trump failed. The rest of the world was able to follow the advice of Public Health experts and suppress the virus. They are still fighting outbreaks, thats true. But they pale in comparison to what we see on a daily basis in this country. If you pay the price of vigilance and selfcontrol you reap the rewards of freedom. We went through all the trouble and all the costs and all the disruption of closing down the country, the misery, the trauma, the dislocation, the economic pain. Once you go through all that, you have to push through those last few weeks of shut down that seem excessive to really smother the virus because you only want to have to do that once. And the places that did all that, they get to enjoy the benefits now. Theyre all moving on with their lives, and we are not. One of the biggest ways this hits home is that they are sending their kids to school, and we are not. Chinese state media released these images of kids returning to school in wuhan, basically taunting the u. S. For our failures to do the same. Look at you, americans. This thing started here, and we dealt with it. Now look where we are, and look where you are. Instead of any kind of plan, coordinated health response, donald trump just stamped his feet and demanded that schools open. And his new coronavirus adviser talked about getting calls from around the world wondering why American Kids arent going to school. Look at whats happened in the other countries. The uk, canada, sweden, switzerland, germany, denmark, the netherlands, france, italy, spain. They are all opening schools. We here in the United States, i have people all over the world calling me and emailing me, what is going on here . Yeah. Thats exactly right. Yeah, theyre opening schools. They didnt have an enormous second wave like we did that freaked everybody out. They dont have 200,000 nearly deaths. They dont have 40,000 cases a day in perpetuity as their lowlevel plateau. The big reason people feel its not safe for kids to go to school or work in those schools for the teachers is that the guy you worked for, scott atlas, messed everything up so much. The reality is a huge percentage of kids are not in fulltime in Person School in this country, which is really, really bad for kids. And the central contention of the biden harris campaign, the thing they are running on more than anything is in the words of joe biden it doesnt have to be this way. Let me be clear. If President Trump and his administration had done their jobs early on with this crisis, american schools would be open and they would be open safety. Instead, American Families all across this country are paying the price for his failures. The campaign rolled out a plan to get life back to normal and schools back open. Joining me now one of the people advising the Biden Campaign on that plan, an Infectious Disease expert who teaches at harvard medical school. She advised on this plan. Its great to have you, dr. Katz. First i guess i would start with the scott atlas point. I think it is a complicated question i want to dive into it. But the rest of the world is sending people to school. The rest of the world is doing a lot of things were not. Whats the reason that thats the case . Well, thank you so much for having me on, chris. Its a pleasure to be here. And i have to say that the points that you outlined are really critical, that this has been a National Disaster and we need to be extraordinarily focussed at this point. And you could go back and trace the landscape. It goes right back to the earliest phases of this pandemic, when schools really should have been involved right from the get go in terms of planning how we were going to reopen schools in the fall. There is right now i think the two things that killed off school this fall to the extent that we are not having in Person School was the second wave that freaked everybody out completely understandably in arizona and in florida and in texas, and that happened right as that planning was happening. I mean, i watched as School Systems said were going to be in person. Oh, were no longer gong to be. And then i think combined with that, trump coming down and saying you have to open up, i think it scared a lot of people away. Do you think were correct in our assessment of risk right now in areas of the country like new york city that have very low Community Transmission . I mean, are people overly scarred such that we should be having more kids in school than we do . So i think thats a great question. And i think, you know, this comes down to basic bread and butter pandemic responses. We needed and we still need adequate testing across this country, and we need to be able to test as part of a reopening of schools program. And thats not just diagnostic testing and diagnostic testing meaning just testing people when theyre symptomatic. We need to be able to test people in a much broader way because we know that 40 of the transmissions occur among people who are a symptomatic, and thats particularly true among children. If we are going to protect these children and protect the adults that are part of this school system, whether they are educators or other people involved in the school, we absolutely need to be having widely available tests. So what would that look like in terms of i mean, if joe biden were the president right now and had the resources at his disposal, what would a plan look like for really focussing the nations power and governing capacity on getting kids to school as soon as possible and as quickly possible. Youre absolutely right that since were behind the eight ball here, we have to play catchup. That means a federal, coordinated response at every level. We need a national plan. Right now counties and states at every level have had to it rate on their own plan. And the virus, as we know, doesnt stop at a state border. It crosses from community to community. And outbreaks can happen so quickly. We have seen how contagious this virus is. So a plan that would work well would be a National Coordinated response using all of the resources that a federal government can put behind an opening like this because this is the critical piece to helping our economy get back on its feet and to helping ensure that our children get educated, which is such a critical piece of this moment. Yeah. I think that i mean, i understand, obviously, the concerns about safety. But, i mean, the lost the educational the lost hours of in Person Instruction for children, particularly the equity distributions of that, i dont think they can be overstated. And i just read about a private school in new york city that has signed a very expensive contract with testing apparatus so they could do rapid fire tests to get testing in the school. We know the data we have shows inequities children from lowerincome households in terms of their attainment declined more during the quarantine. This is an enormous, enormous problem for the whole country that were seeing right now. Absolutely. Its a huge issue of equity. And were talking about the digital divide. Were talking about exacerbating food insecurity, and were talking about prolonged periods where caregivers cannot go back to work because theyre caring for their children at home. Its a huge issue of disparities. And youre right that wealthier schools are able to pay for things like testing for their staff and students. And of course it also comes down to the infrastructures that schools have to keep their whole community safe, and that means cohorting students. That means social distancing. And that means, of course, abundant masks for children and their educators to have available. Dr. Ingrid katz who worked advising the Biden Campaign on the plan that they have to get us back in school. Thank you so much for sharing some time tonight. Thank you so much for having me. With two months until election day, how voters are reacting to the polar opposite messages from the candidate. David plouffe and alex wagoner join me next. Oner join me next the big events are back. Xfinity is your home for the return of live sports. I made a mistake about something. I thought you could defeat hate. It only hides. It only hides. And when someone in authority breathes oxygen under that rock, it legitimizes those folks that come on out, come out from under the rocks. So whats happened is that we end up in a circumstance like you had here in kenosha and have here in kenosha. Joe biden was in kenosha, wisconsin this afternoon with a notably different message. We wore a mask, first of all. We spoke to community leaders. He talked to jacob blake. Bidens visit comes after a week long news cycle about the unrest in kenosha, particularly suggesting the unrest was going to help trump and hurt biden. But then we got a bunch of polls that that pretty clearly isnt and hasnt been the case. A new poll released yesterday shows half of likely voters feel having trump as president makes them less safe. Why trumps message has failed to move the voters he needs. Joining me now is david pluff who ran president obamas president ial campaign. He has a back out titled a citizens guide to beating donald trump. And my old friend alex wagner who just got back from doing some interviews from wisconsin. Since you just got back from wisconsin, let me start with you. I think there is a permanent worry and liberal freakout about a certain kind of white pop you laos backlash politics because it has worked in the past and it was part of reagans appeal in 1980. When people freak out about it it is not like based on nothing. This freakout seems to maybe not have actually connected with what was happening on the polling on the ground. Im curious why you think the message hasnt worked or hasnt penetrated to the extent it hasnt. Well, okay. Two things, chris. I think that i will call it bedwetting because i think its part of the cycle of election politics as we get closer to the election day the polls tighten and people start freaking out. Were also talking about the state of wisconsin which lives on in infamy, the thing everybody talked about in the wake of clintons defeat was and she didnt even visit wisconsin in the general. When wisconsin looks iffy and volatile, people start freaking out. And i think thats what happened a little bit in terms of the narrative that biden can be in serious trouble. You know, what we saw this week was a study in two dramatically different responses. And trump, as he has gotten more dark, more down the qanon conspiracy rabbit hole, biden plants to counter that offering real talk, im the guy you know. Im not a radical socialist, im here to help and up lift. One of the most marketed changes in terms of dealing with all this is to say, yes, we see the systemic injustice, yes, we want to fix it, but we are doing our part to offer uplift because as i walk the streets of kenosha, which are nothing like i have seen in an American City in recent days. The double header of the pandemic and the unrest has turned this city into a shell of what it used to be. People want out. They want to know that there is going to be light at the end of the tunnel, even if they cant see it. And i think the Biden Campaign clearly understands that as much as we have to diagnose a problem and combat it, they need to offer people some glimmer of an idea that america can get back on its feet again. Yeah. I think thats well said. You are obviously still in milwaukee as the identifier shows. I think it relates to something. My sort of view of this, david. My theory is the rnc, the four day convention, as sort of aggressively disingenuous as it was and all of its sort of like shockingly bad faith and lies, it was more pitched towards playing against the medial voter i thought. The diversity of folks that came on the stage talking about criminal Justice Reform and the gross swearing in ceremony for new immigrants which happened in the white house and he didnt even tell the people, all of it was really gross, but as messaging, it played against type in a way that i thought was effective. As soon as it was done, trump got right back to type. Like he cant sustain any message that cuts against the type. That to me has been the dynamic the last few days. I wonder what you think about it. Well, chris, yeah, i think there were elements of the convention. I think most of that convention was aimed at their base which tells you they dont like where it is and their core strategy here is just to jack turn out amongst particularly those white men in those white states. Trump is who he is. He behaved himself on twitter for him last week. But come friday hes back to his antics. Hes an incumbent now. Hes in charge. So when he says there is things around control and unrest, people say why dont you fix it and he looks like hes compounding the problems behavior. Look at the two candidates problem in kenosha. Is base is when there is challenge or crisis or tragedy to make us feel better, to console, to be compassionate. Every time trump has gone to where obama and bush and reagan and clinton and kennedy and eisenhower have gone, its about him attacking people. So at the end of the day, listen, some of these dark messages about socialism and crime and this isnt going to be the real america, we face them with barack obama. So i think joe biden is very well positioned to fend these off. And ultimately, this is, chris, trumps problem. Hes behind in the race. I dont think its going to tighten, but hes behind. So hes got to pull biden and hes showing no ability with his interviews, which have been disastrous this week, his appearance in kenosha, his social media activity to do anything other than try to grow the qanon base. When you are down five or six points and your opponent is at 50 , 51 , you have to pull votes from him. It is mathematically impossible to do just the base. I think people are coming out for this guy, and thats the one concern i have, is can democrats match that turnout. You are talking about the inability to display compassion. By the way, i have to note where hes standing in the rubble of that business talking to a guy whos not the actual owner of that business. Hes one of the previous owners of the business because the actual owner of the business didnt want to have anything to do with trump so he found the previous owner to play the role in the manufactured photoop. I just have to note that. At the atlantic, there is this remarkable piece today where i dont think anyone is shocked by what trump says anymore at all. It was one week into him being president saying i like people that havent been captured but four senior military sources with one crazy quote after another that show this attitude of contempt for military service as a suckers bet, not wanting to visit a u. S. Military cemetery in france saying why should i go to that cemetery. Its filled with losers. They referred to 1,800 marines as suckers for getting killed. Asking john kelly over the grave of his son, what did he get out of it. Told the senior staff were not going to support that losers funeral. I guess i dont think anything like this can change the dynamics of the race. But i do think it is interesting that some people are talking to Jeffrey Goldberg now, and that says something to me, too. Jeffrey goldberg gets lot of people to talk to him. But i agree with you, chris. I think there is this trump has a category cal aversion to empathy. In kenosha he was asked by a reporter what words do you have for the family of jacob blake. And trump couldnt even muster a shred of kindness and just said i would feel bad for anybody that lost their life that way. I mean, this goes back to this original, i think. The cruelty is the point. The cruelty has been central to trumps brand. And empathy is a rebuttal to cruelty. So i think both for personal reasons and pactical reasons is unwilling to completely open himself up to the crushing humanity of the moment. That is where biden is so uniquely positioned. You know, the country is grieving on a number of fronts. Biden talks about the loss of his family members but he is uniquely positioned to talk about the mourning, which is what we are in a prolonged period of, especially in contrast with the commander in chief who is more than reluctant to do it, just refuses to do it. I want to play this quickly for you, this ad that jumps off that point. In 2004, the only republican to win a plurality of votes since 1992, incumbent george w. H. Bush and he had this ad that was wildly successful. It was all about this guy that led the nation to war and the nation was in bad shape, showing how warm and compassionate he was. Watch this ad because i think it reminds me of how important it is for republicans, particularly, i think to do that. Take a look. He turned around and he came back and he said, i know thats hard. Are you all right . Our president took ashley in his arms and just embraced her. And it was at that moment that we saw ashleys eyes fill up with tears. Hes the most powerful man in the world and all he wants to do is make sure im safe. That was a woman who lost her mom in 9 11. Bush was that was not like the what the campaign was about and what the Bush Administration was about. But that was an effective ad precisely because of everything alex is saying, precisely of projecting that level of compassion. Well, chris i remember that ad extremely well. I think it was in ohio when it came out, and it worked for him. Yep. I think george w. Bush ran for reelection in a tough circumstance. Barack obama did in 2012 with an economy recovering still very high on unemployment. People were open to hearing from these two incumbents. They were still interested in how do they talk about their first four years. What do they want to do . This is trumps problem. Over 50 of the people have basically tuned him out, and they dont think hes going to change. And thats his problem, particularly as you see every day hes doing more and more interviews and social media. Over the weekend he did a thousand retweets. But when people arent listening to you, not only are you not making progress, you are actually digging your own political grave. Yes. I think hes going to do a job of getting people to register and turn out. But people were open to bush and reagan. Right now you have an incumbent president that is more popular than jimmy carter. The second term agenda as far as i can tell based on the last 24 hours is the president is going to spend all four years explaining he has not had mini strokes. Thank you both for making time tonight. Great to talk to you both. Coming up, trumps illegal suggestion that voters vote twice in North Carolina. How hes trying to cheat his way to reelection next. His way to reelection next. On a visit to North Carolina yesterday, the president appeared to break the States Election law when he literally instructed people to vote twice, prompting state officials to say, quote, attempting to vote twice in election or soliciting someone to do so, as the president did, is a violation of North Carolina law. The grand irony being the president is out encouraging people to break election law in a state that has the one actual example of a systemic conspiracy to attempt to steal an election through election fraud, and it was done on behalf of the republican candidate. And not like, you know, a lifetime ago. In the 2018 midterms. Do you remember this story . We covered it here. Mark harris hired a man named mckray to work on his campaigns voter turnout effort and dallas hired a bunch of people to collect unfilled out absentee ballots and was later caught forging those ballots on behalf of his republican boss like signing in who theyre going to vote for as part of an illegal absentee ballot gathering operation. Now, he was caught. The election was overturned. They had to have a new one. Dallas was charged with multiple counts, illegal possession of an absentee ballot. It is the one example of the kind of like nightmare scenario the president keeps telling us democrats are pursuing. And it happened in a state where the president did an interview and basically encouraged americans to break election law, which is why i want to talk someone who knows the ins and outs of election law and also represented the democratic candidate in North Carolina during that race, who was the victim of that fraudulent scheme. Joining me now is an expert on voting rights. Its great to have you back on the program, mark. So at first i just it is wild to me. Years later, republicans still talk about acorn, which never actually did anything wrong or violated the law. This is the most brazen scheme i have ever seen in a federal election, and its been totally memory holed, but you were there for it. Yeah. And it was really wild. I mean, the fact is that he had engaged in essentially vote theft from africanamerican voters in a prior election. Mark harris, the republican candidate lost that election. And when he decided to run again thought, hey, i know who to call. And they ran again an illegal vote stealing scheme and as a result of that all coming out and the hearing i participated in, there wound up being a new election. One thing thats key here to the broader point is that was sniffed out and caught because it left a huge data fingerprint. I remember right after that race people looking at the returns and saying these absentee numbers make no sense. What is going on here . It relates to the president s idea, this sort of nonsense from him and william barr that you could pull off some grand conspiracy using absentee ballots and no one would be the wiser. Yeah. Its crazy and it would be laughable if it werent so dangerous. I mean, take a step back and realize what happened. The president of the United States told people to vote twice, which is a felony. Okay . Number one. Then his attorney general, the chief Law Enforcement officer in the entire country was asked about it and said, geez, you know, im not familiar with the state law. Like im sorry. What state law could it possibly have been okay for people to vote twice. So i mean between the president of the United States suggested illegal conduct and the attorney general being, geez, is there a law book someplace i could find, its not just laughable, its terrifying. It is terrifying that this is what two months out the president of the United States and the attorney general of the United States are willing to do. Just wait until we get closer. I want to play you what the president just said, okay . Hes in, i think, texas tonight. This is what he just said just a few moments ago. Take a listen. Sign your mailin ballot. Okay . You sign it. And send it in and then you have to follow it. If on election day or early voting that is not tabulated and counted, you go vote. And then if for some reason after that, it shouldnt take that long, it comes in. Theyre not going to be able to tabulate it because you would have voted. But you have to make sure your vote counts because the only way theyre going to beat us is by doing that kind of stuff. It really seems like hes trying to break the system. Like there is no real rhyme or reason here other than just fundamentally in a way that is terrifying and horrific destroy the legitimacy of the entire operation. Yeah. Just listen to what you said. Hey, this is a party, by the way, that right now is preventing states that want to be able to tabulate absentee ballots or process them before the election, keeping them from doing so. So the very mechanism that hes telling people to do, which is to check to see if their ballot had been processed or received, his people are blocking from happening in states like pennsylvania. And things like pennsylvania, the rnc is in court and prevented people from being able to use drop boxes to return their mailed in ballots. So honestly, the president is one part liar and one part just desperate to prevent people from voting and to delegitimize the process. It is incredibly terrifying and incredibly dangerous. The fact that the attorney general of the United States goes along with it, you know, only makes it worse. Well, the only i mean, i guess this sort of what can you do about it, people can vote early if they have early voting. They can do in person early voting if they feel thats safer. They can take the steps and mail it in soon. When people hear this and feel despair, what do you tell them people should be doing . Yeah. People should not be despaired. Number one, if you want to vote by mail, you should. Number one, everything should make sure theyre registered to vote. If you want to vote by mail, you should apply and get that ballot as soon as possible and then vote it right away. You know, you hear all this stuff about the Postal Service. One way you can deal with that is just get that ballot in as soon as you get it voted and returned. If you dont want to use the Postal Service, you know, if your state allows drop boxes, use drop boxes. If your state allows you to turn your ballot in in person, do that. If you go to my website, you will see. We list four ways you can vote without using the Postal Service if you want to do by mail and we talk in person voting. For people that dont want to trust vote by mail, find out where your polling place is. If you can vote early, vote early. If not, show up on election day and make sure you vote. Whatever you do, dont get discouraged from voting. Voting is important. Thats the key because part of this whole con is to try to scare people away as well. Mark who is a fountain of knowledge on this is always. Thank you so much. Thank you. Still ahead, as trump tries to rush a vaccine to market before the election, a reminder of what happened the last time a president tries to do something similar. Thats coming up. R. Thats coming up theres new reporting today about the possible political pressure coming from the white house to rush a vaccine for controversy, a desperate move ahead of the election two months from today. The Washington Post reports a debate is raging amongst scientists and bio. Esthetists about whether they should clear a vaccine early before trials are done. There are a lot of reasons to be concerned about possible political interference with a possible vaccine and historical precedence about how rushing a vaccine can blow up in the president s face. A story in this op ed for the New York Times in february 1976 hundreds of soldiers at fort dix new jersey contracted a new train of the h1n1 virus. President trump decided to leap problem the protocol, despite the fact the virus did not spread outside the base. It was, after all, an election year. Heres how it was covered at the time. President ford today announced plans for mass inoculations next autumn against the deadly influenza virus. Mr. Ford said he will ask congress for 135 million. He said that will make enough vaccine to inoculate every american who wants the vaccine against the swine flu virus. No one knows exactly how serious this threat could be. Nevertheless, we cannot afford to take a chance with the health of our nation. Cannot afford to take a chance. They moved forward. In august, less than three months before the election, the president signed a bill protecting the vaccine manufacturers from liability ahead of the planned september rollout. Heres nbcs john cochrane. President fords aides applauded him for Getting Congress to provide Liability Protection for manufacturers of the swine flu vaccine. That insurance may be needed according to some doctors who claim the flu shots are unnecessary and possibly dangerous. The president says thats just not true. Scientific and medical evidence continues to support the need for a swine flu inoculation program. A vaccine has been developed that is both safe and effective with a very low risk of adverse reactions. The president s signature on the flu bill means we should start getting the shots late last month. White house aides are indignant who say it is a campaign gimmick. Ford was accused of politicizing the vaccine, using it as a tool for his reelection. The government started running ads and pushing for all americans to get their vaccine. Before she died she gave it to her friend, the mailman, the paper boy and her vet. The whole thing, Pure Campaign continued into the fall where President Trump as the public face of the push. The cameras were rolling as he received his swine flu shot in the white house in midoctober just a couple of weeks before the election. Even became a chevy chase gag in the saturday night live debate skit. Good evening. Im your moderator for this third televised debate between president gerald r. Ford and the democratic nominee for president , former georgia governor, jimmy carter. And people listened to the ford administration. They lined up at clinics and they got the shot. When you fast track a vaccine there are risks. Good evening. At the end of last week, we received initial reports of an occurrence of a condition known as Guillen Barre syndrome from 14 states. I concluded we needed to temporarily suspend the Immunization Program in the fw look here, its your very own allinone Entertainment Experience xfinity x1. Its the easiest way to watch live tv and all your favorite streaming apps. Plus, x1 also includes peacock premium at no extra cost. This baby is the total package. It streams exclusive originals, the full peacock movie library, complete collections of iconic tv shows, and more. Yup, the best really did get better. Magnificent. Xfinity x1 just got even better, with peacock premium included at no additional cost. No strings attached. Weve lost more than a thousand americans today to the coronavirus. Yesterday we lost over a thousand as well, days and days and days like that. Think about that for a moment. It is horrifying the degree to which the Trump Administration has normalized this level of loss and the way thats trickled down throughout society. One antidote i found to the numbness weve developed to this ongoing tragedy is a twitter feed called faces of covid which just spotlights individuals who have succumbed to the virus. It tells the stories of their lives, brings us into the grief of their loved ones. Its just one small way to puncture our complacency about the sheer toll of this. In just the last few days ive read on faces of covid about sarah mon toya, a mother of three who begged people not to put their families at risk before passing away at 43 years old, and 569yearold former High School Drama teacher who cofounded a Shakespeare Festival and played santa claus every december. And eli, a star baseball player who graduated High School Just last year and whose team is dedicating its 2021 season to him. The faces of covid page is constantly reconnecting us to the human stories we dont see in the charts and statistics. So joining me now is the person who started faces of covid, alex goldstein. Thanks so much for being with me tonight. Im glad we could find you and you agreed to come on because what youre doing has really made a difference for me. Its a way to personally stay connect today the reality of whats happening. Im curious how it came about. Chris, first of all, thank you so much for having me. It really means a lot to have you lift this up and the work were doing. A lot of people at the start of the pandemic i was really struggling with feeling like the statistics were overwhelming and also in a lot of ways dehumanizing. And i really created this effort as really a way to affirm these people were more than a statistic and that their lives mattered and they had dignity and it meant something. Every single story we post i think about and say this was the center of somebodys world and multiple peoples world. And the extent of that loss is hard to even begin to internalize. Every single one of these stories begs an important question, did this person actually have to die . Could we have done anything different to avoid this . And we know we could have made a lot of different choices particularly at the federal level. I think the last piece really motivated, it was wanting to lift up the local journalists who were the Story Tellers who have been carrying much of this burden at a time their industry was being hollowed out. I saw this as a means of lifting up those Story Tellers and making sure their work was being seen by as many people as possible. Im curious how you aggregate this, how you find this. Is there anyone in the government doing a central repository of this . Not weve been able to find. Weve been relying primarily on local news outlets who are doing a lion share of the work. Im grateful i have a friend helping me so im not the only person. But really the last hour before bed and the first hour when i wake in the morning is devoted towards scouring local news source and some National Sources as well as obituaries where families selfidentify as having lost a loved one to covid. I think part of this whats driving me is i know right now theres people watching your show who have lost somebody, and in a deeply isolating time when mourning has really been essentially deferred because of our isolation it seems like just a really small, tiny way to say youre actually not alone and theres millions of people in this country who do want to mourn with you and mourn along side you. Yeah, weve been doing these small in memoriam segments of the show throughout the last six months. And weve had people in the staff who have lost family members, close ones and loved ones. And if have people in new york you know someone whos succumbed or become ill. Particularly in may in the heart of the shelter in place orders its difficult. Its so hard to not be able to comu commune with the people you live to laugh and reminisce, and i think its a short of underappreciated trauma a lot of people have gone through. Absolutely and when you consider a lot of these folks said goodbye to their loved one via face time. They werent even in the room. One thing thats hit me is the names of the people were sharing for the most part are not famous household names, and yet in the communities where they lived they very well may have been the most important impactful person on that block, in that neighborhood, in that town, and every Single Person knows who they are. That teacher you shared earlier ive heard from five different people who had that teacher at some point or their child had that teacher at some point. These folks had an unbelievable impact on the communities where they lived and it seems deferring all this grief 6 to 8 months down the road is going to have some serious consequences i dont think weve even started to grapple with. Its striking to me. One of the reasons i wanted you on tonight someone had shown the towers of light memorial was doing kind of a warmup test and reminding me its that time of year again and id seen i think mike pence is going to be visiting new york, and obviously we have this National Mourning for the 3,000 americans we lost on that day, still 20 years later appropriately and properly so. And maybe its because its still happening around us we dont have that, but basically faces of covid is the closest there is right now to anything like that being done to kind of memorialize in any kind of systematic way the people were losing. Im appreciative for the work youre doing, alex goldstein. Thank you so much for the work you do on your show as im really, really, really glad that you highlighted that and did that segment chris. Thank you, my friend. Thank you. Theyre doing great work. Thanks a lot. Seriously. Thanks to you at home as well. Happy to have you here. When mary trumps book came out about her uncle, the president , a few weeks ago you remember that book. It became an instant number one New York Times bestseller. It sold like a gazillion copies even before it came out. And the book i