The latest number surpassing the single highest day record set way back on april 25th after the lockdowns and the economic calamity and the mourning and the grief and the fatalities and the deaths and the crisis in this country is today getting worse. And instead of doing something about it, the president is trying to cover it up. Federal government is now, get this, ending funding for a whole bunch of coronavirus testing sites, including seven in the state of texas, which of course has seen record daily increases in new cases. And you might ask yourself on what planet would this make sense . Who would slow down testing in the middle of a vicious outbreak . I mean, texas just hit an alltime daily high in cases. In houston, the biggest city in the state, hospitals are near capacity. Theyre literally running out of beds. We have seen this happen before at other places without outbreaks. This chart of texas cases tells a story. They have an extremely serious outbreak right now, today. You can see it. And the one thing they really need is to step up testing to make sure that they are capturing transmission as quickly as they can to quarantine people so that it doesnt contain a rise. But instead, no, the president is cutting back. And the reason why is right there in front of all our faces. The president keeps telling us, he does not like testing because he thinks if you do not test, then you have fewer cases. When you do testing to that extent, youre going to find more people. You are going to find more cases. So i said to my people, slow the testing down, please. When you have all those tests, you have more cases. So the news covers it. They have more cases. When you said you asked your people to slow down testing, were you just kidding or do you have a plan to slow down testing . I dont kid. There you have it. And get this, it is not just trump trying to spin it this way. Vice president mike pence, who is the head of the Coronavirus Task force the president has utterly lost interest in, he, pence today, went into a meeting with senators and put a positive spin on how the coronavirus numbers are looking. Senator thom tillis saying pence said only 3 of counties are seeing upward spikes. Dont worry your pretty little head. Were fine. Just 3 of counties. One small problem. Land does not get sick, people do. And there are a lot of people in the counties that are seeing spikes like Harris County in texas, which is home to houston with 4. 7 Million People or l. A. County in california with 10 Million People or her ra koe pa county in arizona with 4. 5 Million People or miamidade. Just a few counties. Dont worry about it. Heres the reality. Cases are now growing in 27 states. We are arguably now at the worse heights of the outbreak on a national scale. We are seeing case growth and record hospitalizations in states like texas, florida and arizona and elsewhere. I should note here that at the sate level, some republicans are starting to accept reality. Republican governors like arizonas doug duesy and greg abbott in texas are finally starting to understand the importance of their citizens wearing masks. Governor abbott is telling people that things are bad, as they are, and people need to stay home. Because the spread is so rapid right now, there is never a reason for you to have to leave your home unless you do need to go out. The safest place for you is at your home. Now, its important hes saying that now. But hes one of the republican governors who rushed to open back up in the first place while ignoring what the cdc said was safe, just blowing past their guidelines. In fact, his Lieutenant Governor said that reopening the country was more important than living. I should also note that we are also starting to see some really worrying signs out of some states that more or less did follow the cdc guidelines like california. We are seeing positive test rates go up, too, as well as new case records. Both of those are bad. In fact, terrifying. It speaks to what Public Health experts and epidemiologists have been telling us from the moment this first appeared in wuhan. The virus is dangerous, and this is going to be a long fight. Here we are. Back in february and early march, i was on this program and many people were screaming our heads off about what was happening in places like china and italy. And then we started to see the numbers here. And we did not have enough testing. We could see in places like new york at the heart of the outbreak that things were going to get bad, and they did. So we saw how things went when they went bad. And now we are watching it all again across the country. Today the World Health Organization warned that if we cannot stop the spread, there may be a need to impose or reimpose general lockdowns. Just saying that phrase. And what you cannot get an answer on, cannot get an answer from anyone, from the president or the Vice President or anyone else in the federal government is what exactly is supposed to change here to prevent that fate . What is going to make these numbers stop going up . More on the situation in texas and across the country. Im joined now by former texas congressman and democratic president ial candidate beto orour orourke. Beto, it is good to have you on. I have been watching with alarm whats been going on in texas. I wonder if you can give us a read of the situation in terms of what approach the governor has taken to this and how his language has changed over the last week or so . Well, as you mentioned, he reopened the state very early on, may the 1st. You had shopping malls, movie theaters, restaurants soon after. Then bars and restaurants open at 75 capacity, ignoring all of the Public Health guidance. And doing so, i think, for political purposes and showing defiance i guess of science and facts and the truth. And what that has led to is the crisis, the uncontrolled spread of covid19 that you are seeing in texas. The Texas Medical Center in houston, texas, which is thought to be one of if not the largest medical centers in the world, is at 97 of its normal icu bed capacity. The texas Childrens Hospital is starting to take Adult Patients in houston because theyre running out of room in the typical adult wings of these hospitals. And, yes, the governors rhetoric has changed somewhat, but the policies and the law have not changed. Hes still not allowing local leaders like clay jenkins, the county judge or Harris County to require people to wear masks. Even though hes urging us to do that, hes not allowing local leadership to implement and enforce a law that would literally save lives. We dont have enough testing. We dont have a contact testing plan. Thats why you are seeing what on this current trajectory will lead to one Infectious Disease expert says brazil levels in texas and houston, texas being the most covidinfected city in the United States. Thats if we do not make some drastic changes right now. Well, this is i mean, this is the sort of nightmare scenario that i keep sort of unspooling in my head having watched a number of outbreaks is what intervenes . A number of places that had charts that looked like Harris County, that looked like houston were at a point in the pandemic where they hadnt shut everything down, so they shut everything down. It is massively disruptive and bad for peoples mental health, but that was the break that like in the you know, on the emergency brake on the subway that you could pull. I just there doesnt seem like that intervention could even happen given the political situation. But i dont understand what interventions could possibly be in the offing to alter the trajectory. Yeah. I mean, to continue the metaphor, we have been accelerating the train for the last 45 days. Reopening more and more of the state. We had a maximum crowd capacity limit of 500 people. By law 500 people could get together in texas, many of whom, and in some cases most of whom, are not wearing masks. That helps to explain the transmission and the spread. And so you ask what we could do. We could allow local leaders to lead and to implement these ordinances that they want to put in place because by the best Public Health advice thats the right thing to do. Governor abbott could make the politically painful decision to rescind some of the openings that are already in place, acknowledge the fact that from the limited Public Health data that is being shared right now we know that latino and black texas are dying at a disproportionate rate. So when dan patrick, our Lieutenant Governor says, there are some things more important than living, hes saying there are some people that are okay to die in the midst of this pandemic. What you have, chris, is the logical conclusion of putting people in power who believe that government is the problem. And theyre making government the problem at this moment where theyre more concerned about the polling, the november election than about Public Health and saving lives. I dont know if the governor is up to it. It may be incumbent upon us acid sevens to do the right thing, stay at home, wear a mask if you leave a house and just be smart. Wear a mask. Absolutely. You mentioned november. At this point, you know, thats front of mind for a lot of people because of the insane mismanagement of this crisis. Texas, there is a lot of attention being paid to texas both as a possible swing state thats up for grabs in the november election, also in terms of being being able to vote safely and the texas government fighting efforts to make it possible for vote by mail. Texas is a state that traditionally has low levels of Voter Participation compared to other states. How do you see the landscape right now . What kind of work are you doing at your group relating to that . Its really interesting that you shared the quote from the governor saying there is no reason to leave your house. Your home is the safest place to be. And yet he and his attorney general and Lieutenant Governor are trying to force people to vote in person in the midst of the deadliest pandemic of our lifetimes. And this is part and parcel of the Voter Suppression that has long been a part of texas. We have the most racially jury manderred districts in the union, the lowest voter turnout because of it. And theyre now trying to force people to vote in person. So our group powered by people is trying to register hundreds of thousands of new likely democratic voters and to turn them out. Weve got an army of thousands of volunteers making these Voter Registration and voter contact calls. We made 320,000 phone calls just on monday. Its going to take adding net new voters to the roles and a really energized base of democratic voters this year. But weve got to because of whats at stake. Well, beto, i got to say as a new yorker, everyone i think in new york that has gone through is watching whats happening in texas and arizona and just sort of sending our thoughts and well wishes and thank you for making a little bit of time for us tonight. Thank you, chris. Grateful. While we are seeing coronavirus cases grow in at least 27 states across the country, the place that once was the epicenter has really seen cases come down and hospitalizations come down and positive test rates come down. Leaders there are now trying to protect their fragile project and who to keep out of the area. Today new york, new jersey and connecticut said visitors from coronavirus hot spots will have to quarantine for 14 days. The rule applies to nine states, alabama, arizona, arkansas, florida, north carolina, south carolina, washington, utah and texas, which are all seeing spikes in cases. Joining me now to discuss that decision and the situation in his state, democratic governor of new jersey, phil murphy. Governor, describe to me how this policy works and what the logic behind it is. Chris, good to be with you. The policy is fairly straightforward. We have gone through hell. We have lost almost 13,000 people in new jersey, which is an unfath momable number. New york has lost more. Connecticut not as much but also paid a big price. We cant make our folks go through it again. So were asking either returning residents or folks who are visiting from states that are at a high Positivity Rate or a high rate of new cases to please do the right thing, be responsible, selfquarantine for 14 days. It is not part of the advisory we put out, but i want to give everyone a big request to get tested. New jersey is now the top per capita testing state. We built this capacity. Lets use it. Again, folks in our state have been overwhelmingly compliant and responsible through thick and thin over the past 100 plus days. We want folks to continue that streak and do the right thing. My question for you is about the lessons here. So new york, new jersey and con net kcut because it was so brutl provides lessons for other states for how to deal with this and lockdowns and things. As you watch other states, particularly california, which is the one i have my eye on which, has been fairly responsible and the governor wants people to wear masks, as california starts to tick back up, what are you, as the governor of new jersey, reopening the state moving through the phases, what lessons are you learning . What are you saying to yourself as you watch that happen in california . You know, listen, as you can imagine, chris, my hands are more than full in new jersey. So i cant speak with specific authority other than i think gavin newsom is a great leader. I will say this. We have made every decision not on emotion, even though this has been an extremely emotional time, but with the data. We opened up incrementally. So we havent done ten steps at once so we can more readily and more easily analyze each incremental step. We are big believers that the virus outdoors is a lot less lethal than indoors and that the basic stuff still matters. Social distancing, wearing face covers. Were mandating it indoors, strongly recommending it out of doors. Washing with soap and water. If you dont feel well, stay the heck home. The basics have not changed, and thats how were approaching it. So here is my question for you, though, on that, right . I talked to kate brown, the governor of oregon who paused phased reentry by a week as they saw their cases go up. Do you have a game plan . I know you cant comment specifically on california. But do you have a game plan if you start to see those numbers back up of what to do because coming out of what new jersey has come into and opening back up, people getting back out there and getting back to work and doing things they loved and missed, but if those numbers go up, do you have a game plan for that possible eventuality . Absolutely. You have to. I mean, everything has to be on the table. One observation, though, thats important, chris, that we now have in new jersey, in new york and connecticut certainly as well, we have big testing, Contact Tracing and isolation capacity that nobody had 100 plus days ago. We now have that at our disposal. So we can with much more confidence spot it, surround it and drive it into the ground. But the answer is, yes, you have got to have a plan, either to pause or please, god, i hope not, put the car in reverse. But at a minimum pause. And im sure if we did any of that, it would be on indoor activities first. Again, its much more lethal inside than it is outside. Final question for you. I know the president had dinner, i believe, with you and your wife the last time he was at his club in your state. I think hes coming there again, having come from some hot spots, including arizona. Does he quarantine in bed minister . How does that work . Listen, the folks i have visited in the white house, and we did indeed have a productive dinner. Were all tested. Everyone around him is tested, as i understand it, regularly. But there is a carve out for essential workers and the president of the United States certainly and that qualifies in that category. Governor phil murphy of the state of new jersey. Thank you so much for making some time for us tonight. Thanks for having me, chris. Next, testimony from a doj whistleblower about the political interference at play inside bill barrs Justice Department. Congressman Eric Swalwell joins us to discuss what he heard right after this. E heard right after this when heartburn hits fight back fast. With tums chewy bites. Beat heartburn fast tums chewy bites the calming scent of lavender by downy infusions calm. Laundry isnt done until its done with downy. Stimulant laxatives forcefully stimulate i switched to miralax for my constipation. The nerves in your colon. Miralax works with the water in your body to unblock your system naturally. 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I was privileged to serve in the department of justice under two republican and one democratic president , and i am here because i believe that william barr poses the greatest threat in my lifetime to our rule of law and to public trust in it. He has a personal belief that the president should be above the law, and he has worked very hard to achieve that by negating the checks and balances by making the president not accountable. The second hes doing and this has accelerated this spring is getting involved in a very political way essentially in using the Justice Department to support the president s campaign. The star witness today, though, is a current doj prosecutor named aaron se lynn ski. He worked for Robert Mueller and on the case against roger stone. You may remember sel lynn ski was one of the prosecutors who resigned from the case in protest along with three others when William Barrs doj intervened directly to lower the sentencing recommendation. But today that prosecutor still working in the doj appeared before the committee and testified about how he was pressured to give the president s friend a break. What i saw was that roger stone was being treated differently from every other defendant. He received breaks that are, in my experience, unheard of and all the more so for a defendant in his circumstances. A defendant who lied to congress, who remained unrepent tant and made threats against the judge and a witness in his case. And what i heard repeatedly was that this leniency was happening because of stones relationship to the president , that the acting u. S. Attorney for the district of columbia was receiving heavy pressure from the highest levels of the department of justice and that his instructions were us to based on political considerations. And i was told that the acting u. S. Attorney was giving stone a break because he was afraid of the president of the United States. Here with me now a lawmaker who was at that hearing to hear that, a democrat who sits on the judiciary committee. What was your takeaway from hearing a sitting department of justice lawyer before your Committee Say that the attorney general is acting in essentially a corrupt and compromised fashion to use the department of justice to cut special deals for the president s coconspirators, friends and associates . I was so encouraged, chris, because it reminded me of hearing from bill taylor and david holmes during the impeachment inquiry in Lieutenant Colonel vindman. When were so long we were wondering is there courage on the inside thats willing to stand up against a lawless president. So hear mr. Sel lynn ski come forward was encouraging. There is some there is this question of what to do about william barr. I think he has established himself as as dangerous and probably, you know, the worst attorney general since the nixon e era. But hes there. There is all kinds of nightmare scenarios where you can imagine him using that power for even worse ends. Today the chair of your Committee Said the house may pursue impeachment of attorney general william barr. Absent that, what is the accountability for him . I called for impeaching attorney general barr before i support impeaching President Trump for the way he mischaracterized the mueller report. I believe he gave untruthful testimony to congress during, you know, questioning about the report. Chris, and hes worthy of it. Two, you have to hold people accountab accountable. And, three, it may just deter him from further destruction. But what was so concerning to me was that we heard today that there is this pattern where people are held accountable who are friends of the president. Impartial justice is about to be delivered. Donald trump tweets and then the friends are protected. Then on the contra, the president s enemies like michael cohen, they cooperate early in the proceedings. The president tweets that he should get prison time and then he gets prison time. So he protects his friends and punishes his enemies and he has bill barr enabling all of that. On that front, you have Michael Flynn today. Michael flynn, of course, another just really unprecedented move. The department of justice, after the man pleaded guilty to what he was charged with, right, they rescind that. They want to dismiss the case. Its so extraordinary that the district judge said, wait, hold on a second. Solicits a respected judge to take what would be the governments side who writes an exscore rating brief saying this is all nuns. And the trump appointee on the d. C. Circuit today says, eh, nothing to see here. This is the best part of this. She issued this opinion i think an hour before aaron sel lynn ski came on the committee. Saying this is not the case where a more searching inquiry is justified. I respect the judicial process. But the court can actually have a full panel hear the case. But, again, i think the larger issue here is, you know, the president s being vindicated. Mr. Flynn can be prosecuted again under a more independent Prosecution Office if the department of justice. And i think this should be on the ballot box again. We have impeached the president. The people know he puts his personal and political beliefs and priorities ahead of the countrys. This will be on the ballot box in november. But right now we need to have as many ankle monitors on the president and his friends all the way to november. Yeah. The final question here, he talked about the longterm damage down to the department of justice. But also as your colleague, adam schiff said, there is a lot of damage the president can do between now and november. There is a gauntlet that joe biden is going to have to go through of misinformation, welcoming foreign interference as we saw, not just with ukraine but china and turkey and of course Voter Suppression. And, so, the best thing i think we can do is highlight these issues, fight a submarine battle beneath the surface in the courts but above the surface not suppress the vote ourselves by saying that your vote is not going to count. We want people to turn out and motivate them on the issues of health care and Holding Elected Officials accountable. Congressman Eric Swalwell, thank you so much for being here tonight. My pleasure. Next up, the Louisville Police chief fires an officer involved in the killing of Breonna Taylor. But is that where justice ends . A lawyer for Breonna Taylor joins me after this. Breonna ta joins me after this. Any place y. Just download and use the chase mobile app. Visit chase. Com mobile. Sstop struggling to clean tough messes with sprays. 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It wasnt until yesterday the chief of police dismissed one of the three officers who opened fire on Breonna Taylor saying, i find your conduct a shock to the conscious, leaving president s family along with activists wondering, is this it . Still to come, why the culture war play brook trump used to attack barack obama and Hillary Clinton just is not working on joe biden. The new National Polling with biden in the lead after this. Thats why were expanding your range of choices. Many dealers now offer optional pickup delivery and athome maintenance, as well as Online Shopping with Home Delivery and special finance arrangements. So, whether you visit your local dealer or prefer the comfort of home you can count on the very highest level of service. Get 0 apr financing up to 36 months on most models, and 90day firstpayment deferral on any model. Some Companies Still have hr stuck between employeesentering data. A. Changing data. More and more sensitive, personal data. 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Ms. Baker, i wanted to get your reaction to the actions taken by the Louisville Police to dismiss one of the officers who fired and ultimately killed president . Its a start. It is definitely not sufficient. We want all of the officers terminated, as well as we want all of the officers charged and prosecuted for the murder of Breonna Taylor. So it is a start. But definitely not justice for Breonna Taylor. I wonder if the local district attorney, the Police Commissioners and others are in contact with you or the family and if they are explaining why it has been over 100 days with no action taken. Unfortunately, the officers, the mobile metro Police Department, the attorney general known as the Commonwealth Attorney for louisville recused himself so the state attorney general is in charge of the prosecution. No one has really reached out to Breonna Taylors family, to le them know where they are in the process or why its taken so long. In terms of the fbi investigation, we do know that they just got the investigation, so they have been in contact with the family, but aside from the fbi, there has not really been any entity that has been in contact with the family. Whats striking to me in the termination letter that was issued today is that they describe the ten rounds you fired were into a patio door and window which were covered with material that completely prevented you from verifying any person as an immediate threat. Some of the rounds you fired actually traveled into the apartment next to ms. Taylors. It does seem odd its taken this long just to get to this point with those facts at the center. They definitely have known since the beginning that rounds were fired blindly into the apartment. We said since day one because of our own internal investigation, the attorneys for the family, that bullets went into the neighboring apartment as well as to the apartment upstairs. And that neighbor slept along with his pregnant mother. Not only was Breonna Taylor murdered, but there were multiple neighbors that were put in danger by the reckless actions of the officers on the night that Breonna Taylor was murdered. There is also there has been just a chain of misinformation and what appear to be attempted coverups by the Police Department since that n evening. This is the incident report. And the first page says there is no forced entry and there were no injuries. Do you have any more trust that you are dealing with a more forthcoming organization right now than the entity that sent those three officers into taylors apartment that night . We definitely do not have trust in local metro Police Department has it relates to the investigation of Breonna Taylor at this time. That Police Report gives us cause for concern as well as the search warrant which we now learned last month contains lies. So its been our position that there has been a coverup. Had this not become public, information or public concern that the nation is paying attention, we dont think anything would have been done to hold anyone accountable for Breonna Taylors murder. So we appreciate the public support. We do think that its forcing the city to actually look at whats happening. We are encouraged that there is outside investigations through the fbi, but we do not have faith in the local metro Police Department to investigate itself. An attorney for the family of Breonna Taylor and of course we send our deepest condolences to her family members. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Up next, the latest polling that shows the president behind joe biden after this. Dent behin joe biden after this. Weve recovered. We fall, we rise. We come together. We work together. We innovate and create. We find our way forward. Every time. This has been the key to our growth that whenever we hurt the most, we became the strongest and found our way home. Together. Masimo. 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And i remember asking then congresswoman marsha blackdurn that struck me about Hillary Clinton. When you see shirts around here or buttons that like use the word bitch to describe her, the degree of that thats like trump shirts trump that, you know, like does that how do you feel about that . Have you read my twitter feed or my Facebook Page . You know, it kind of comes with the territory. And you just have to shake it off. Great taylor swift song by that title. You feel like being a woman in the public sphere comes with that . You wouldnt believe what all ive been called and whats been said to me in my career, whether it was in the private sector or the public sector. You know, go read my twitter feed. She clearly did not have a problem with it. But the blackburn didnt somewhere a problem with it. But the antiHillary Clinton merchandise available was truly disgusting, things like tshirts with Hillary Clinton being sexually assaulted. It is why i found this so interesting, quote, vendors sold almost no merchandise that mentioned joe biden specifically. Almost nothing mentioning the president s opponent this time around. No object seep tshirts with joe on them. What was available, Hillary Clinton mech n. 2020, four years later they are still selling all of the antiHillary Clinton stuff. What if that simply observation is the key. That after eight years of a black president and the first female president as a nominee a National Poll out today has joe biden up by a staggering 14 points. While trump is losing money all the groups you would expect them to, among women and black voters, he is also losing support among traditionally republicanleaning groups like white seniors. But it is weird how much donald trump appears to want to run against Hillary Clinton or run against president obama in the year 2020. It is particularly weird given that obama, for instance, is one of the most popular politicians in america. He is also not running this year. But there is a sort of method that trump is reaching for rear height, right, because he knows his political rise was a product of a might male backlash. Adamer is ver writes this week this the atlantic these kinds of poll numbers we are seeing are not an accident. After 12 years of feasting, the Republican Party is struggling to run its obama era culture war playbook against an old moderate white guy. Adam joins me now. I love this essay. It sort of companytured a lot of thing i had been thinking incoentally. What is your thesis, highway has joe biden presented donald trump politically . The Republican Party hasnt run against just a regular moderate white guy in 16 years or 12 years. They have been running against barack obama or Hillary Clinton. They have been running on conspiracies that wouldnt stick to joe biden because people give him the benefit of the doubt because hes a white guy. It sucks. It is just sort the way that these underlying conceptions of race and gender shape our subconscious preferences as a country. But its something that is giving biden an advantage here over the last democratic candidate who ran. You know, when you talk about something as visceral as like the tshirts, republicans cant quite convince themselves that a joe biden presidency would be the apocalypse in the same way that they were saying that a Hillary Clinton president they were comparing Hillary Clintons potential presidency to, you know, passengers storming a hijacked plane on 9 11. Its just, that sense of complete apocalypse is just not there in the same way it was with Hillary Clinton and barack obama. It there was a moment in the tulsa rally. The trump argument is dont look at joe biden, hes just a puppet for the other shadowy characters that of course are heavily coded along the cultural lines. Listen to what he says about joe biden here . Joe biden is not the leader of his party. Joe biden is a helpless puppet of the radical left. And hes not radical left. I dont think he knows what he is anymore. But he was never radical left. Like he was never radical left. He cant bring himself to sell joe biden as radical left. He cant even do it. I mean this is what is so amusing about it. In part what is hampering the president here is his own prejudices. He cant bring himself he doesnt want to run against joe biden. Joe biden doesnt scare him. He wants to one against the squad or Hillary Clinton. He wants a nonwhite or a female villain to run against because he knows thats something he is use to gin up his supporters into the kind of froth that he needs to have them turn out in large numbers. And biden i have to say, you know, this was something that a lot of the yeah africanamerican voters in the south anticipated when they chose biden was that he would be less threatening to trumps ways in particular. He was a kind of olive bank in the culture war. We understand that you guys are freaking out about some stuff that has to do with incredible inversion of power that happened over the last eight years where we temporarily had one black president. So we are going to try to bring the temperature down a little bit. And it seems to have been correct. At least against this particular opponent. I have to emphasize, trump only has one kind of politics that he knows how to do. Against a different republican i am not sure this would be happening the way, et cetera happening. But trump is particularly inflexible, particularly idea logical when it comes to raise and gender and finds it difficult to change tactics. Et cetera such a good point. The primary point is one that i kept being haunted by or thinking about as i read your essay. This was a front and Center Discussion in the entire democratic primary b the question of electability and all kinds of voters trying to project the prejudices of other voters in sometimes really insidious ways, which was well i dont want to vote for this candidate who is a woman or this one who is an africanamerican, or this candidate who seems too threatening because that will give donald trump part of the takeaway in your he is satisfy is people made a calculation that appears to have some validity to it. Look, i mean if you look at the generations, the older black voters who went for biden in those numbers these are people who remember the tremendous decks aids long white backlash to the civil rights movement. Why. They know how long these things can go. They know how bad they can be. And they have some sense of what triggers them. So its not its not it was a rational choice. It may not have been the choice that i would have made. But its an understandable calculation, and it looks like a prescient calculation given who is occurring now. Thats not to say that another candidate might not have been less vulnerable to this for other reasons. But in this case what seems to be happening. Right. That senator the president nor his supporters can get themselves to hate joe biden the way that they hated Hillary Clinton or barack obama for reasons that seem blindingly obvious. We should also note of course that the country is objectively in the worst situation it has been in in a very long time. You can imagine the universe of many external factors. Yes. But then so then that brings us to how does he deal with that . I found he has been tweeting out these diss gusting clips of the independence could of things you would find on the front page of a white supremacist website, storm front or something, random videos sometimes two years old of a black person violently attacking a white person. And its real gutter disgusting stuff, like storm front content. One i think this i think he will try to do is gin up this sort of thing even if it is not particularly joe biden. But just that thats the one thing he knows how to do politically. Trump is facing a lot of head winds that are largely of his own creation. Obviously there are external factors. Unemployment is very high. We are dealing with a pandemic that killed over 120,000 people. We are deal with rioting over discrimination and policing. Trump handled all of those things poorly because he only knows how to approach them in one way. The only way he knows how to approach these issues is to blame some type of other to blame things on and harness everybodys anger towards that subject. But when you are the incumbent president , when you are responsible for solving these problems and all you are doing is blaming everybody else when you are the one who has the power to at least try to fix them and you are not even really doing that, then you know, it is not surprising that voters who might have been receptive to our message the first time are not as receptive four years later. Now, it is very early. As you mentioned, there are a lot of external head winds that have to i dont want to emphasize overemphasize the importance of Campaign Strategy here, but for the moment it doesnt seem to be working. And when you look at how trump and his own most ardent supporters are reacting to biden, one of the reasons is that they really cannot begin to see him as alien or threatening in the way that they say Hillary Clinton and barack obama. Yeah, and it is so striking the degree to which that sort of fuses the atmosphere of the race right now such as it is. But you are right, things can change. I keep saying this on the air. Obviously we know how quickly things can change because we were all hugging each other and hanging out in bars of january of this year. But the two things that do seem like they are not blgoing to change, the virus wont change, and donald trump wont change. I keep coming back to those two things are the two fixed parts of where we are as a country right now which is that virus is going to behave the way it behave and so the president. Thats why we are in the sort of disaster we are in right now. Look, maybe the economy miraculously recovers. The virus, maybe an external factor changes the rate of infection with the virus and it doesnt continue to like burn through the population at the rate it is burning through right now into november. Maybe joe biden makes a