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Put out from his cdc. And hes telling americans who might be nervous about contracting the virus and dying, if they go back to work or go out in public or we go back to normal, that they need to think of themselves as warriors on the battlefield. Im viewing our great citizens of this country, to a certain extent and to a large extent as warriors. Theyre warriors. We cant keep our country closed. We have to open our country. Im not saying anything is perfect, and yes, will some people be affected . Yes. Will some people be affected badly . Yes. But we have to get our country open and open soon. When he says we have to get our country opened, he means come what may. I personally dont think of the folks in say Nursing Homes as warriors that need to be sacrificed. But what the president seems to be saying is, youre on your own. Thoughts and prayers. Sorry if you were one of those people badly affected. Think of yourself as a soldier dying for the cause. Theres just this incredible disconnect from the rhetoric from the president , even the discourse that hes helped anchor with all these protests weve seen, and the actual reality of the trajectory of the virus. Look at this graph from the New York Times. Its showing newly reported cases, okay . On the left is the new york metro area. Thats the epicenter of our outbreak here in the u. S. You can see the new cases and what has been the epicenter have been trending downward, which is great news. There is real progress. The shape of that curb is encouraging. Look at the chart on the right, thats the rest of the u. S. Outside the metro new york area. And cases are still growing. To be clear, partly that is probably due to some increased testing in a lot of places. But the thing, is the curve is not even flat really. Newly reported cases are going up. We dont really know for sure, but things may be getting worse. At the best, they seem to be plateauing. And weve already lost more than 70,000 of our fellow americans. We are mostly certainly going to lose tens of thousands more. The mission is obviously not accomplished, and its becoming clearer and clearer that donald trump never even tried to accomplish it. He just wants to open up the country so the economy can come back and he can be reelected. Today, the man removed from his position to find a vaccine, dr. Rick bright, filed a whistleblower complaint. Well get into the details of that. The administration refused to listen to early warnings about the virus and just ignored it, blew it off. Thats a pattern, of course. From the beginning, this administration has been distrustful of the actual experts in the government. They have often instead listened to cronies and relatives and donors and legacy cases, and the buddies of the president. Thats who they turn to, to make college. Not the full institution of knowledge of one of the most powerful governments in the history of humankind. During the people, we found the president was with these two to hash out the ukraine policy. Only now the exact same method has been applied to the biggest Public Health challenge in 100 years. And there are so many examples of the damage this has done. Like how the administration relied on a model from white house economic adviser kevin s haset to plot out the course of the virus. And his most famous time in public life is publicing a book called dow 36,000, one of the most infamously bad economic fo forecasts. That guy was the guy that predicted the virus, and you will be shocked to learn that that guy was even more wrong about the virus. The Washington Post reported his model showed deaths dropping precipitously in may and hitting zero by may 15th. Ten days from now. You think thats going to happen . Thats what happens when you bring in dow 36,000 guy. Thats who the president was listening to. Just today we learned about a complaint filed at the House Oversight committee involving the Coronavirus Response effort coordinated by the president s soninlaw who, for some reason, has a job during this kind of thing because hes married to the guy who runs the country . And the complaint alleges that that man, jared kushner, that his effort relied in part on volunteers from consulting and private equity firms with little expertise, exacerbating chronic problems and obtaining supplies for hospitals and other needs. Part of the reason is they were just using personal email accounts, like gmail like can you hook me up with some ppe . Im working with the president s soninlaw. Its almost too ridiculous to believe. But this is what weve been getting for three years from this administration. And now amidst this global catastrophe, the socalled plan is to just let a lot of americans die. Like warriors on the battlefield. And then try to paper over that. Or rather, as Professor James rosen put it, the plan is to have no plan, so that daily deaths become a normal thing and create confusion as to who is responsible. Thats where were headed. As the president reopens this country, he wants to wash his hands of the whole thing. Joining me now is senator chris murphy, democrat of connecticut. Is that your read of what the white house is gearing up for . Yeah, you have this new estimate suggesting that because of these early reopenings without enough testing capacity, were going to get to a point in the early summer where 3,000 people will be dying every single day. That is essentially a 9 11 happening every single day over the course of the summer, near doubling of the death rate today. The president has lost patience, as he frankly has lost patience with every endeavor hes ever been involved in with his life when it doesnt go well from the getgo. And hes about to lead this country down a potential path of slaughter. In the northeast, we have done some of the right things. So weve been able to turn the trend line in a positive direction. But weve done that without any help from the federal government. When i got on the phone with a hospital in connecticut, they dont tell me any of the ppe or the testing machines have come to them through the federal government. Theyve had to do it all on their own. Today in connecticut, were doing thousands less tests than we should be doing. Why . Because we dont have swabs. Swabs. If we started building swabs on a federal basis two months ago, we wouldnt be in that position today. So weve made progress in connecticut. But much of that is going to potentially be reversed because of this administrations insistence on opening up too early, violating their own guidelines. Even if we beat it in connecticut, if you have a surge in some other part of the country, it will find its way to our state. What do you think about this idea that that the american citizens are warriors . That the men and women who are in longterm care facilities that have been ravaged by the virus, that the men and women who work in meat facilities around the country, the bus drivers, and the Amazon Warehouse workers, that theyre warriors, that basically they should accept that they may just be giving up their life for this . We all, you know, scoffed when i think it was the governor, Lieutenant Governor of texas suggested that, you know, grandparents should be willing to die for their grandchildren. Of course, no grandchildren wants to sacrifice their grand parent. Thats essentially what the president is saying. We just have to accept that as a price of being able to go to the Movie Theater again, there are going to be 3,000 people every single day who will die needlessly. And he is, as you mentioned, going to try to obfuscate and confuse people and say it was chinas fault, the w. H. O. s fault. While theres lots of blame to be spread around here, the simple fact is, the president put out a plan to reopen the country. Because that plan wasnt realistic or because he didnt have the patience to stick to it, within weeks of putting it out into the public, hes going to violate it, knowing that ultimately thats going to reed to the death of thousands of americans. I think i should two things. One, its so important to stress what theyre doing is violating the Trump Administrations own guidelines. A 19page report thats been set out. You can read it online. Its their own guidelines for what a state has to do to reopen. It has three phases. Everyone is just blowing through it as the urging of the president. Its the Trump Administration guidelines theyre blowing through. But he decided after two weeks, it was fun to go to the taj mahal when it opens Michael Jackson not so much when it goes bankrupt. Chris, he didnt do anything to implement the plan. Lets take one element of the plan. Once you reopen, youve got to adopt a system of testing, placing, and quarantine. Meaning you test, you find out who that person had contact with, and then you quarantine those individuals. Well, that doesnt happen without an infrastructure, without staff, without funding. And just since the plan was released, the administration has had two weeks to work with congress to appropriate money to the states, to hire all the people that would do this. Instead, they have resisted efforts to try to fund those activities. They have said that states should go bankrupt. Even since they released the plan, they have resisted any efforts to implement it. So it shouldnt be a surprise to anybody that it didnt work. And that now they are left with only one option, which is to just sort of go along with the increasing tide being driven by trumps base and open up the country too soon. Final thought, Charlie Warzel said this what do you think of that . So i think its similar in some ways but different in others. On gun violence, theres a really powerful political constituency on the other side we have to beat. We know what to do, but were not willing to do it because of a Political Force that exists on the other side. What makes the Trump Administrations lack of response to unconscionable, is there isnt a Political Force on the other side. Similar to the gun violence epidemic, we know what to do. We could follow what countries like south korea did and we could get our hands wrapped around this epidemic. But what makes it so unconscionable is that theres nobody stopping the Trump Administration from following south koreas lead. Theres nobody stopping them from deciding to fund a testing, tracing, and quarantine system. There isnt an nra when it comes to the politics surrounding this issue. If President Trump would lead and do the things that we know would get this epidemic under control, we could save thousands of lives. And that i think is the critical difference. Yeah, the vast silent majority of this country across different lines wants to keep each other safe, to get this virus under control, to look out for each other. And doesnt want to get sick and loved ones to die thats the vast majority of this country and a small group is calling the shots right now. Senator chris murphy of connecticut, great to have you. Sir, thank you very much. Thanks. I want to now bring in Kathleen Sebelius, former secretary of health and Human Services in the Obama Administration. Prior to that, she was the governor of kansas. A sort of remarkable resume to evaluate whats going on right here. I thought i would start with this question about expertise and who you listen to. I mean, this has been a theme of the Trump Administration from day one, you know, theres a Maralago Club member who knows a guy and he gets in the ear of the president on some policy. Theres a donor whos got someone. Someone knows someone, opposed to a rigorous system for policy formation, forfunneling information to the president. And weve seen this in the pandemic. What are the costs of that . Why does it matter if the president ignores the vast Institutional Knowledge of the u. S. Government and instead has his soninlaw have someone post something on facebook . Chris, i think its very dangerous for any leader to be in a situation where no one around him is able to tell him the truth. And that seems to be where President Trump likes his information, and no one disagrees with him. No one can get him to read anything, listen to anybody. We were blessed in the Obama Administration by having thousands of people that wanted to leave their well paid jobs to just come serve. They had their hands up and said mr. President , i want to be part of your administration. I will do anything that you say. So we had a plethora of talent, expertise. But also i worked for a president who said we are listening to the science in matters of health care. We are listening to the scientists. In scary times when you dont have a vaccine, he never deviated from that. The advice was sometimes uncomfortable but was really important. And he wanted the scientists to talk to the American Public directly. I think you have seen the publics reaction to tony fauci, who is a world renowned scientist at the head of the Vaccine Development process in this country. Tony fauci is being gagged by our president of the United States right now. Not allowed to testify in congress. Been told that he cant talk to anybody unless mark meadows says its okay. That is exactly what should not be happening. The American Public will not have any faith in Going Forward into normal society once the Scientists Say its okay. If tony fauci is gagged, theyll listen to their state and local health leaders. Health scientists who give direction, because if the United States backs out of this, somebody else will pick it up. You were secretary of hhs, which is an extraordinarily large agency with huge responsibilities. The cdc is one of the agencies in that. And the cdc is really world renowned. I think its fair to say. One of the great mysteries of this pandemic is like what happened, where is the cdc . I wanted to quote you this from a great reporter on this. She said ive heard from every cdc in the world, other country cdcs, and normally our first call is to atlanta, meaning our cdc. But we aint hearing back. Theres nothing going on down there. Theyve gutted that place. What does that mean . Well, its absolutely terrifying. First of all, i think the United States help build all of the other cdcs in china, in parts of the world, because part of the notion is, youre only safe and secure as americans if you have an ability to immediately identify dangerous elements that are breaking out any place in the world. You look at the ebola incidents and the reason that was so successful is we immediately sent trained teams of folks to help africa contain what was an outbreak of what could have been a lethal pandemic. It didnt happen that way. So having atlanta, having the cdc, the epidemiologists who were envied all over the world, who trained scientists all over the world, not do what they do so well, which is test like crazy, teach every state in the country how to do contact tracing. Make sure that we staff up a welltrained army in every part of the country, teach states how to quarantine. They have folks embedded in every state and local health department. Unfortunately, states have no money. States have no Additional Resources to hire folks. The federal government not only has no guidelines for what goes next and are violating their own cdc plans, i have to tell you, chris, you and senator murphy are overly generous. It didnt take two weeks for the president to ignore the cdc guidelines, it took 24 hours. The guidelines were put out the following evening he began texting liberate michigan, liberate virginia. That was 24 hours after the cdc guidelines, which do make sense that were put forward. Where the cdc is, i dont know. But we need them front and center. We should be hearing from the cdc, who will teach us how to track and trace and shut down outbreaks of this disease. And from the nih, who will be at the front end of Vaccine Development. Right now the cdc is missing in action. Former hhs secretary Kathleen Sebelius, the agency the cdc is part of, thank you for your time tonight. Coming up, the shocking new whistleblower complaint from an ousted hhs official the Trump Administration ignored dire warnings about covid, all the way back in january when he was ringing the alarms. What we learned when dr. Rick bright spoke out today, next. Looks like they picked the wrong getaway driver. Theyre going to be paying for this for a long time. They will, but with accident forgiveness allstate wont raise your rates just because of an accident, even if its your fault. Cut sonny. Was that good . Line the desert never lies. Isnt that what i said . No you were talking about allstate and insurance. I just. When i. Lets try again. Everybody back to one. Accident forgiveness from allstate. Click or call for a quote today. Tide cleaners is offeringe Free Laundry Services you. To the family of frontline responders. Visit hope. Tidecleaners. Com to learn more. Confident Financial Plans, calming Financial Plans, complete Financial Plans. 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Bright claimed he was fired for pushing back on President Trumps push for an unproven malaria drug to be distributed on demand. Today, he filed a really revealing and shocking whistleblower complaint, charging among other things an abuse of authority for gross mismanagement. He elaborated on a Conference Call with reporters this afternoon. The past few years, however, have been beyond challenging. Time after time, i was pressured to ignore or dismiss expert and scientific recommendations. And instead, to award lucrative contracts based on political connection. In other words, i was pressured to let politics and cronyism drive decisions over the opinions of the best scientists we have in government. Dr. Bright described his concerns of a lack of government response, the growing outbreak as far back as january. After bright relayed concerns from a domestic surgical mask producer, and Nothing Happened for a week, leading the mask producer to email bright, rick, i think were in deep shit. Joining me now is sam stein, he reported on dr. Rick brights complaint today. Sam, its a long and detailed document, and it is quite revealing. What jumped out to you . Well, two things. One is the stuff that happened prior to the coronavirus outbreak, which is he details the systematically corrupt hhs processing which huge contracts were being given to top officials at the agency. The more pressing thing is that he detailed the administration that was basically had their heads in the sand with respect to the coronavirus outbreak in china for weeks, if not months. You touched on a bunch of this stuff. But just warning, foreseeing a shortage of n95 masks was going to be a huge problem and unable to convince anyone this is something they had to deal with. Also an urgency or lack thereof of getting a vaccine in the developmental process, which we now see the administration and the president have, but he was talking with officials late january, early february about the need to prioritize this stuff. And of course, got nowhere. But i think the larger thing, and i was it was interesting to hear Kathleen Sebelius talk about this. Theres sort of a Bigger Picture item here is that the scientists in the administration were more or less ignored or pushed aside and have been since the onset of the administration, not just the disbanding of the pandemic units, but people like dr. Bright who are dismissed as alarmists, even though theyre the scientists in the administration. This is sort of a common pattern that we see with this presidency where he goes more with his political guts and how hes thinking than doing longterm strategic planning. And its more than guts. Theres an allegation of essentially corruption here, right . That you have career scientists and Civil Servants making determinations based on the science, and theres pressure from above from the Trump Administration to steer things in the direction of the people who have a monetary interest, because theyre buddies of the president. And thats one thing if youre talking about, you know, a contract for buying pencils, you know, for a big federal agency. Its another when you talk about vaccines and lifesaving drugs. Right. So there was this story, we detailed the president s push for hydroxychloroquine as a therapy drug to be stockpiled against all sort of prevailing Scientific Evidence or lack thereof that it was ekttive. Dr. Bright raised those concerns and brought it to the attention of journalists, which led to his dismissal from his post. So this is the case of someone say thing is really crazy, what were doing is borderline if not completely unethical. And he took provocative steps to stop it. There was another story today involving Jared Kushners Coronavirus Task force which one of the complaints made against that was that fox news personalities were able to jump to the front of the line in terms of getting ppe to hospitals they deemed helpful or emotionally close to. So youre absolutely right, there is a horrific way to do this. And the Trump Administration is basically hitting every note, which is cronyism, favoritism and dismissal of the science. I want to play what bright had to say about how his dismissal of hydroxychloroquine being the kind of breaking point in terms of the administration. Take a listen. He then said i believe his transfer, this is from his earlier statement he says whats also fascinating to me here, youve got the ignoring the warnings, the cronyism, saying alex azar thought shutting down travel would be fine, even as he and other people knew there would be and raised alarms about it. Yeah, and this is from a political standpoint, this is rather devastating for the president as he tries to rewrite a narrative that he foresaw these problems on the horizon all the while that he took bold action to stop the spread of coronavirus and he never down played it. Internally, obviously this was something that top officials were saying were never actually impact america. The azar segment of the complaint basically has him saying he didnt think it would spread within the United States domestically. Someone had to push back on that. So yeah, this is a devastating complaint. And i think the more interesting thing is, as the administration is putting the clamps down on Coronavirus Task force members from testifying on capitol hill, dr. Bright is now scheduled to go to the hill next week to testify before the house, although i was told by an aide to him that he is suffering from hypertension right now, hes been out sick because of all of the stress that this has caused. Yeah, the fact that he has agreed to testify and what we have seen from the administration as kathleen se bea sebelius said he can testify before the senate, not the house. That is not just going to simmer on the back burner for very long. Sam stein, great to talk to you. Thanks, chris. Appreciate it. Coming up, why did it take 39 days for native american tribes to see any money from the first coronavirus rescue bill . Inside that ongoing fight after this. Introducing ubrelvy™. Its the migraine medicine for anytime, anywhere a migraine attacks without worrying if its too late or where you happen to be. One dose of ubrelvy™ can quickly stop a migraine in its tracks within two hours. Many had pain relief in one hour. Do not take with strong cyp3a4 inhibitors. Few people had side effects, most common were nausea and tiredness. Ask your provider about ubrelvy™ or access doctors from home with telemedicine. Migraines can strike anytime, anywhere. Ubrelvy™. 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And its testing the people on the front lines of this fight most of all. So abbott is getting new tests into their hands, delivering the critical results they need. And until this fight is over, we. Will. Never. Quit. Because they never quit. More than five weeks ago, the 2 trillion Coronavirus Relief package was signed into law by the president. And in there, there was set abide 8 billion appropriated for aid in native American Tribal communities to combat the virus. Some of the communities have been overwhelmed by the pandemic. The Navajo Nation had a rate of death of 46 deaths per 100,000, which is higher than every state in the country except new york, new jersey, connecticut and massachusetts. Up until yesterday, zero dollars of the 8 billion had been released to help those communities. Then today, a little over half was released. They are waiting on the rest of the money. Joining me to talk about what is going on, congresswoman deb holland, a democrat in new mexico. Congresswoman, maybe first you can just start with the context of how this pandemic has hit Indian Country, particularly the Navajo Nation. Thank you for having me, chris. So happy to be here. Thank you for covering this important issue. So let me start here, chris. Indian country is starts way behind every other community, because the u. S. Government has not lived up to its trust responsibility. This is underfunding and neglect nor decades and decades. Some areas of the Navajo Nation you asked about dont have running water. Some tribes, the water is polluted so they cant use it. Some people dont have electricity. And many, many tribes dont have broad band internet service, so connecting with their hospital, with telehealth, with their kids schools, that is absolutely something theyre unable to do because of all those disparities. And so thats where we start behind the start line, you know, miles back. And then i want to also mention, chris, today the president was on Facebook Live talking about how 8 billion was the largest amount of funding that Indian Country has ever gotten. And, look, this should be 20 billion. Thats what we asked for, thats what we fought for. The white house came back with zero. They didnt want to give tribes anything, not one dime. And so we end up with aid, so thats where we are. So im glad that you sort of sp interposed that, because i was listening to an interview. Democrats asked for 20 billion, there was a settlement of 8 billion. Explain to me, i dont understand this, obviously the government has a lot on its hands, trying to move a lot of money out the door quickly. 40 days go by, 39 days and none of that money ends up with tribal communities. I dont understand that. S so the treasury needs to do a formula, which it sounds like they came one a formula today. It could have been done two weeks ago. They could have acted sooner than they did. But we were waiting on the treasury to do a formula. In fact, last week, representatives or chairman ruben guyego and i wrote a letter to treasury saying you need to move on this and make sure that you are putting this as a priority. Indian country has not gotten a thing and people are dying. So they finally come out with a formula today. But theres no timeline yet, and quite frankly, its pretty easy for me to just get on my phone and call tribal leaders and ask them if they have gotten any funding at all. And my guess would be that they havent gotten it yet. So were fighting for this. Were struggling for it. As you mentioned, there are high rates of virus affecting Indian Country. And this is theres a dire need for this funding. And thats what were fighting for. I know there are those particularly the Navajo Nation and other nations that have had a very difficult time in terms of the socioeconomic conditions prior to the virus and the virus particularly in fighting it. What is the status of that fight right now and the status of policy in Indian Country for dealing with it . So, well, look, there are 574 federally recognized tribes in our country. And the disparities between those tribes, theyre different. Some tribes have tribal clinics, some dont. Some are close to an Indian Health service facility, some are not. Some live in very Rural Communities and as i said, they dont have a they cant even connect with anyone. Ill tell you whats happening right now, the tribal governments themselves are stepping up, many of them have appointed you know, they started Emergency Task forces. I know the Indian Affairs department here in new mexico, the state department has stepped up to work with tribes. Everyone is doing what they can. Tonight, i had a Facebook Live with an organizer for a nonprofit oorganization that delivers food boxes to tribal families. And the need is dire. So where the Trump Administration should have gotten this funding to tribes weeks ago, nonprofit organizations have stepped up to make sure that people have water and food. And its shameful, quite frankly. Congresswoman deb holland in albuquerque, new mexico. Congresswoman, as we go through this quarantine, the beautiful Albuquerque Life playing in the background of your house makes albuquerque, new mexico look like the best place in the world to be right now. So thank you for taking a little time to talk to us. Thank you. Coming up, the vulnerable president facing reelection and the blistering new attack ad from an antitrump conservative group, still ahead. Hey mara yeah jamies the guy running it. Mara, youre not on mute. I once had to fake jury duty to get out of talking about his yogurt preferences. Mara, you know youre not on mute, right . Oh, theres a mute button . Yeah, thats flo the one who looks like shed smile while she sleeps. Flo i always smile. Mara thats why i said that. 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Clearly donald trump was ready to run for reelection that way. President Ronald Reagan did it in the midst of an economic boom. The message was it was bad before, its good now, vote for me. Its a very simple message for an incumbent running for reelection. That approach has been complicated now by the worse calamity the nations faced since, i dont know, world war ii, maybe the great depression, unclear. And a new ad from an antitrump Republican Group drives this home. Theres mourning in america. Today, more than 60,000 americans have die frdd from a deadly virus donald trump ignored. With the economy in shambles, more than 26 million americans are out of work, the worst economy in decades. Trump bailed out wall street but not main street. This afternoon, millions of americans will apply for unemployment. When their savings run out, many are giving up hope. Millions worry that a loved one wont survive covid19. Theres mourning in america. And under the leadership of donald trump, our country is weaker and sicker and poorer. And now americans are asking if we have another four years like this, will there even be an america . That ad definitely got under the president s skin since he spent much of last night rage tweeting about it. Joining me now one of the cofounders of the lincoln project, the group that put out the ad, also the chair of the New Hampshire republican party. How did this ad come about . What was the idea . Well, you really encancpsulad it very well in your introduction, chris. Thank you very much for having us. This president is not facing the challenges that he is right now because he is leading a country that is confronting a global pandemic. Hes facing the challenges that he is because he has so horribly failed at leading the country through this global pandemic. And i think that thats why that ad clearly got under the president s skin, but its why that ad has struck home, i think, for millions of americans across the country. I think it really captures the heart of the heartache really of what our country is feeling right now. Yeah, the idea of one thing that struck me here, obviously its a play on mourning and morning, one without the u, one with the u. It has been the case this has been covered and we have commented on you know, the president s inability almost sort of in his very being to express empathy, grief, collective mourning, solidarity with those who have lost someone. It continues to be such a shocking aspect of what were living through, and i thought that the idea of acknowledging that was quite really profound. Theres no question about it. I mean, yesterday when that ad was released, it talks about over60,000 americans lost and today were at over 70,000 american lives lost. And these lives are not no one is suggesting that donald trump created covid19. But his failures have absolutely directly contributed to an unnecessary level of death and loss in this country. And the fact that this president was on twitter last night at 12 46 a. M. And he thought the most pressing thing that he needed to communicate was to attack those of us behind the ad is extraordinary. You know, i got a lot of people reaching out to me today, texting me, and calling me saying oh, my gosh, the president tweeted you and attacked you in a tweet. Isnt that crazy . Its not crazy. Its dangerous. Its tragic. Its terrible. And its why when that ad was released we had about 500 times the activity on our website, lincolnproject. Us than weve ever had before. I think that people are feeling a despair and a fear that is not about the disease. It is about the lack of leadership coming from the president. So, there has been this very durable sort of set of conditions in the country. The president has not been popular. Hes sort of historically unpopular. If you look at him compared to other incumbents. And there are bands that move around a lot more. But hes hugging that kind of carter place, the kind of place where you would find yourself in danger reelection. But we all know that his base is extremely loyal, and i have heard it said i may have said it myself that republicans such as yourself, never trump republicans, theres about two dozen of you, and god bless you, but youre not a huge constituency for the country. And i wonder if you see the calamity were experiencing changing that . Well, i would say that the idea that theres only a couple dozen of us is just not accurate. There might be a very small number of us who are willing to be public and loud and vocal about how we feel, about where we stand, but i think we represent millions of american citizens, million of American Voters out there. And i think theres no question and we see this in the polling and you see it when youre just talking amongst your friends and your family. The American People have completely lost faith in this president and his ability to lead. For those who hadnt lost it already. And i would also suggest that there are even those who continue to say that theyre with the president because theyre with the party, behind the scenes what theyre saying to me, my friends at the rnc, my friends at the gop in New Hampshire, this guy, its horrible, this is a tragedy, this is a failure of Epic Proportions and it falls on his shoulders. Yeah, that question, i think, is the one that we face. I mean, the politics of this seem very distance for me at this moment partly because of whats happening just day by day. Of course. And how far the election is. But this question about whether the material conditions of the country are what matter in the end, even in the crazy age we live in. I think your ad, jennifer, did a very good job of bringing that home. Its great spending time with you. Thank you for making time tonight. Thank you for having us, chris. Thank you. That is all in for this evening. The Rachel Maddow show starts right now. Good evening rachel. Good evening, chris. Thanks for joining us this hour. You may be hearing the breaking news at this hour that Ruth Bader Ginsburg has been hospitalized today. The news from the Associated Press began has a onesentence story that said in total, quote, Supreme Court says Justice Ruth Baden Ginsburg hospitalized with infection. Justice ginsburg is 87 years old. She has fought off cancer of the pancreas and cancer of the lung. As of january of this year she declared herself to be cancerfree. But tonight she is back in the hospital, and it is apparently because of her gallbladder. The u. S. Supreme court has now released a statement about it. It says, quote,