On ice infour trucks including rental trucks from u haul. The funeral director said they were put there because he had no more room in the chapel. I ran out of space, bodies are coming out of our ears. A cemetery worker in brooklyn is struggling to keep up with the on slot of bodies. Sometimes ali arrives as early as 3 00 a. M. And stays le next day. Sometimes i do 14 hours a day. Itsexcruciating. Many families have not been able to say goodbye to loved ones in person at the hospital, and they often cannot have traditional funerals or otherwise come together to collectively mourn because of physical distancing rules. Its just a horrible thing to go through. And then in come the costs. At a time when many are suddenly out of work, in new jersey, where 460 deaths were recorded today, a son could not afford the funeral bills for his parents who died three days apart. In chicago, the family of a nurse, a nurse who contracted the virus had to set up a go fund me page to cover her funeral expenses. She gave what we taught a human touch, a mothers touch and that she did for everybody. Were all just dumb founded that this happened. Here is the thing, it doesnt have to be like this. There is a very simple thing, the federal government, our government can do right now to help. They could step in and pay for burials for those who have fallen. Donald trump has not done it. He has no relet released the mo. In the past of disasters like super storm sandy and katrina, the government step in to cover funeral costs. After three hurricanes in 2017, fema paid out about 2700 per approved application. So far, weve lost more than 62,000 men and women to the virus. If the federal government wanted to provide that same amount of money, 2700 to each of the families that seized so they dont have to scrounge to cover funeral costs, it would cost the federal government around 170 million. Thats it. At a time were spending literally trillions of dollars, 500 billion for big business, tens of bills to the Airline Industry and tens of millions for the luxury Hotel Company the ritz carlton in atlanta. Two weeks ago Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer and alexandria ocasiocortez were calling on the government to step up and do this very, very simple obvious thing. The least we can do is help families bury their loved ones in the most impacted communities in america. It is the very least we can do. It is the very core basic measure of Human Dignity and in the richest country in the world, we should be able to allow people to bury their loved ones in dignity. The least we can do. It is the least we can do but trump wont do it. He doesnt need to go through congress. He needs to authorize fema to release the money. As craig told propublica, fema does not have the independent ability to turn on the programs at will. It has to come from trump. Approximately 30 states and territories requested funding but trump will not free up the money. Now the president is refusing to take this very simple action as a small, small grace towards the citizens of this nation. Its unconscionable. And that small little bit of inaction of utter cold heartedness says everything you need to know about the way hes navigated this crisis from the beginning as the bodies pile up at Funeral Homes and the cemetery workers are overwhelmed and the death toll crosses that of the vietnam war, the president is rage tweeting in unhinged fashion in the middle of the night and this afternoon, saying things like this. I dont think anybody has done a better job with testing, with ventilators, with all of the things that weve done and our death totals, our numbers per Million People are really very, very strong. Were very proud of the job weve done. He just said, the president of the United States said our deaths per million are really very strong. More than 62,000 americans gone. Thousands more every day after day after day after day. Hes very proud of the job hes done. They just do not seem to think americans dying in mass as the federal government looks on is that big a deal. In fact, there is a group of president supporters that say no biggie. Many people who are dying both here and around the world were on their last legs anyway and i dont want to sound callocal callous about that. Youll get hammered for that. I dont care. A simple man tells the truth. A simple man tells the truth. Last legs anyway. On sunday the Washington Post published a story breaking down what trump said and 13 hours of his coronavirus briefings and while he spent 45 minutes of that prizing himself and his administration, he spent 4. 5 minutes out of 13 hours expressing condolences for the victims of the virus. What is happening right now in america is a catastrophe, nightmare, cause for mass grief and mourning for flags to be flown at half mast without being able to say goodbye or mourn and since the Great Depression, they are being deprived of the money many need to give some last bit of dignity to their loved ones and that is not right. For more on the lack of action from the Trump Administration on this, im joined by elizabeth zimmerman, former fema associate administrator for response and recovery. Elizabeth, can you tell me about this program that fema administers, one that i was not that aware of until recently . Sure, fema has an individual Assistance Program and within that there are several Different Things that can be provided to disaster survivors and those families of the victims that have fallen. So this Program Offers everything from housing assistance, rental assistance, disaster case management, crisis counseling, funeral benefits, medical benefits, when individual assistance is declared by the president. And the president can, again, just to make sure i have facts straight, the president can declare this amidst an emergency and fema is authorized to release that money including funeral assistance for folks if the president were to authorize it. Thats correct. So this is one of the programs when he declares a major disaster decoloration, of which all 50 states and all the territories in washington d. C. Have. This article from 2012 is actually a fema press release. Disaster relief for new yorkers which helps eligible applicants with funeral expenses caused by the disaster. For folks coping, this is before this virus, other disasters, this is oppressing need and problem for surviving family members of people who died in the disaster. So yes, this is offered up obviously if people have insurance or other means to pay for this, fema is not the first step to pay for it but they do offer the assistance for disaster surviving families to be able to cover those costs. It is a program that is cost shared with the state and the amount of assistance that can be provided to an individual family is determined by the state in their administrative plans for this program. It just seems to me that given the fact of what were all going through, given how difficult this has been on families that have lost loved ones and ive talked to many, having to face time their goodbyes, if that, and given the trillions of dollars we are spending right now. This is a drop in the bucket and just a simple action for the federal government to take, like why on earth would we not do this . So, these are as youve noted, these are unprecedented times with the states under the same situation looking at what the other resources are that could be brought to bear appropriations made but this is a program once turned on is Pretty Simple to be able to administer on behalf of the federal government. One of the things that has more broadly happened, i feel like, with fema here is many of the existing infrastructure for disaster Crisis Response in the government have not actually been fully utilized. Many institutions spend all day, 345 36 five days a year thinking about it, creating protocols. Is it a Fair Assessment to say thats not been largely fully utilized by this administration . So for this event, being the pandemic, typically fema and through the stafford act, it goes for Natural Disasters, those things that the hurricanes, the tornados that also have a lot of this individual assistance provided to them. This being a pandemic is something thats different and does fall outside of the bounds of the stafford act but not saying that the Public Health and safety is the measure here. There is a major disaster decoloration, as i said for everybody thats been made so that does open up the avenue to be able to use the programs within fema to be able to help alleviate these situations. All right. Elizabeth zimmerman, thank you for your time. Thank you. For more on the president s actions in the face of this crisis, i want to bring in democratic congressman max rose. And congressman, obviously, new york has been hit particularly hard by this and i personally know a lot of folks who have been hit by this in the city. Im sure many are constituents have. I does seem to me what your colleague alexandria ocasiocortez and Chuck Schumer called for, this seems like an obvious and simple thing the government should be doing here. Yeah, youre absolutely right. Look, fema and its not often acknowledged is an incredibly flexible vehicle by which the federal government can reimburse states to execute and address a whole host of things that happens in a Natural Disaster about a month ago, i wrote a letter to fema calling on them to basically follow up on these requests for individual assistance. Fema can also reimburse for unemployment assistance. Fema can reimburse for housing and certainly fema can reimburse for funeral costs. So this begs the question, why arent they doing it . I mean, they didnt even respond to my letter so why arent they doing it . One can only imagine that theyre not doing it because they dont know what the cost will be. Theyre worried about manager expenses or this or that. They come back to us. Tell congress what you need. Because i am certain at least i hope that they are not okay with new yorkers or any other americans dying in there. We will give it to you and if we dont, democrats or republicans that wont fund you accordingly. You and i have spoken before about your experience in afghanistan when you served in the armed forces and about experience with loss in that context and im just curious your thoughts. It strikes me there is a kind of absence from the top particularly of any expression of collective grief, collective mourning, collective honor frankly for people and compassionate empathy for people facing this, it really is essentially unprecedented situatio situation. Look, we need moral leadership right now. We need the president of the United States to be commander in chief and the uniter in chief and someone who we can see express the incredible grief that were all feeling. There is not one new yorker who hasnt in someway, shape or form experienced this crisis in truly and utterly tragic ways and this is an evil of crisis, we are forced to grieve in the confines of our home. We cant go through the normal traditions associated with losing a loved one sand we need our leader to Say Something about that. We need the president to Say Something about that. That is in my mind, just as important as allocating these resources that we just referred to. I want to ask you about a scene that played out today not in new york, in the state of michigan. Not dissimilar from scenes from other state capitols, relatively small group of people quite unrepresented of National Political and Public Opinion given the polling weve seen and marginal buzzt a striking scene. Politicians, it is their american right to assemble but armed to the teeth, you know, sometimes banging on doors, yelling at guards, inside the Michigan State house, obviously, not physically distancing at all. You know, what do you make of protests with weapons like that in an american state house . Those are scary images. I say that as someone who spends a good portion of my time in Congress Considering this issue of domestic terrorism and the rise of a far right organized movement that is actually global in nature often connected to people who have significant military training and weapons training and who are equipped accordingly. But we have to note this, okay . We are seeing numbers right now in new york that are starting slowly, not fast enough, slowly to go down, and that is not that wasnt inevitable. Okay . Its not like the projections were wrong, no. We changed the reality of the projections and we did that by all of us banding together and changing our social behavior. Were not out of the woods yet. We will all there will continue to be a deep dependence to this crisis. Of course, we have to note the economic pain that people are going through. It would be naive and even cold to just disregard that but with that being said, though, we cant just forget about the reality of this virus, which is that if we disregard advice of medical professionals, we will go right back to where we were seeing an ungodly surge of new positive cases and death. Im curious actually. Youre interestingly situated here both politically and previously held by a republican and trump in 2016. Im curious, what do your constituents think about this . This is not a liberal district not necessarily at all. Its also a district thats seen firsthand the effects of this. What are you hearing from the folks you represent . Look, its not a liberal district. Its not a conservative district. Its a patriotic district and what i hear from people in my community is very simple. This is not the time to play games. This is not the time to be unnecessarily divisive. This is a time when we have to assume an attitude one would assume during total war, which is to address the threat at hand and utilize all the resources that we have to save peoples lives because peoples lives are absolutely on the line. Now that doesnt mean that you dont hold people accountable. That doesnt mean that you dont exercise oversight. Thats my job and that certainly doesnt mean that you dont call someone out when they tell new yorkers to drop dead as Mitch Mcconnell and now his rick scott recently have. I have no problem and they have no problem openly saying that that is wrong. Ignorant, naive, cold and economically stupid but what they do not want to see is anyone getting in the way of us saving lives, getting in the way of putting people back safely to work. Thats what they deserve. Congressman max rose, thank you so much for taking time tonight. Thanks again. 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Anthony fauci often viewed as the most credible voice on the Trump Coronavirus Task force was very positive about a study of an experimental drug to treat coronavirus called remdesivir. The data shows that remdesivir has a clear cut significant positive effect in diminishing the time to recovery. If you look at the time to recovery being shorter in the rem remdesivir, it was 11 days compared to 15 days. Although a 31 improvement doesnt seem like a knockout 100 . It is a very important proof of concept because what it is proven is that a drug can block this virus. Now that announcement occasioned a big debate among all sorts of folks that i read and am in contact with, medical experts, clinicians, what the study shows and u how encouragi it is. I want to get to the bottom of that. I want to talk to the lead investigator at Emory University for this remdesivir trial and associate professor of infectious diseases. Doctor, first, can you take us through what the Clinical Trial was . Did you guys do and try to test . Thank you, chris. Appreciate the opportunity to talk about the trial that we have been working on. This is called the nih adaptive covid19 trial of therapeutics and as we knew in february, there were no good medications available to treat covid19 and so the scientific leaders at the nih looked through a catalog of potential medications and found that remdesivir, which had been tested for ebola seemed to have very good activity against coronaviruses so they put together this Large International study in adaptive Clinical Trial model to examine whether remdesivir seemed to would help patients with covid19. We were fortunate at emery to be one of the initial sites, along with our colleagues in the network and we were able to initiate the study in very early of march. We very quickly enrolled much more quickly than we thought and therefore we have answers as that was released by dr. Fauci yesterday. Their preliminary data but important data. So youve got presumably you got a control group and variable group, the control group not on the treatment. The variable group is getting the treatment. Can you describe the folks that are getting the treatment, how sick are they and how is the drug administered and what does it do . So those are excellent questions, chris. This drug is administered i. V. Through the vein so it can only be delivered to patients in the hospital and the trial is a double blind placebo control trial. Half receive the medicine, half just receive fluids. The doctors, nurses, patients and their families do not know which ones theyre getting and will not know until they complete the study. What does the what does it do . Does the drug doing and what are the results showing that dr. Fauci seemed to find promising . So remdesivir is an anti viral medicine. When a virus infects the human body, it gets into the cells and hijacks the cells machinery to try to make more of itself and when it makes enough, it breaks out of the cell and tries to several copies try to infect other cells of the human body. The goal of this type of anti viral medicine is to block the virus ability to create more of itself in our own cells. So that process takes a little bit of time to start working, so we dont see this being an immediate change in a patient with covid19, but its a more slow process to block that virus from making more of itself. Not a magic bullet as dr. Fauci mentioned but it is something that seems to be helping patients get better more rapidly. I saw someone compare it to tamiflu, which is obviously very different because its not administered intervenously and its for the flew, the idea for tamiflu is its not a magic bullet against the flu but if you take it early enough, it really can improve the course. It can shorten the duration youre knocked out by the flu. Is that a reasonable thing for people to think as they try to conceive of what this drug means . Yes. Chris, i think that is a reasonable analogy to make. Also, tamivir, shortens the length of illness of influenza. This is similar to the primary finding that the nih released yesterday about this medication. The remdesivir seems to shorten the time compared to patients on pla placebos. 15 days versus 11 days on average for the patients on remdesiv remdesivir. Were getting patients home potentially more rapidly to their families. We are also by getting them home more rapidly are able to prevent some of the complications of a more prolonged illness and hospital stay and then also importantly as our Health Care Systems prepare for even more patients, the more rapidly we can get patients home, we open up more beds that we can make that available to future patients. Final question for you here, doctor. One of the things that has struck me in both reporting on this in my own interaction with various clinicians who dealt with covid is this sort of frustration of having this thing thats presenting and not having an established treatment protocol, a feeling at your whits end we zig and the virus zags and being wrong footed by it, what does it mean to start creating some genuinely double blind clinically tested protocols to deal with this . Chris, ive been taking care of patients with my colleagues here at emery and with colleagues around the country and around the world for the last two months and more. And it has been a fascinating and frustrating endeavor. We have patients that seemingly look like theyre going to get better and quickly get worse. Fortunately, through the amazing care of our icu colleagues and multiple other teams in the hospital, many of them are Getting Better but we really would like to have something that will help us get these patients better faster, maybe prevent them from even needing to go to the icu so with this trial, were getting some data that remdesivir may help with that. But this is not the final answer. We need to continue to do more research to see which patients remdesivir really helps in and if there are other medications, either with combinations with remdesivir or by themselves may additionally help patients get hem to the home to their families. Doing amazing work and gave one of the clearest Clinical Trial explanations ive ever heard on television anywhere else. Thank you so much, doctor. Thank you, chris. All right. Still ahead, whats the deal with sweden . Their hands off approach to dealing with coronavirus is drawing attention for the coronavirus truthers. Is it working . 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But swedens approach to keep almost everything open has resulted in coronavirus truthers pinning their hopes on sweden like look, lets be like them. One trump super fan asking why he didnt follow the swedish model. He said really, have you looked at the numbers lately . Is going on in sweden . Is it a different approach on this. Joining me someone i trust to walk me through, professor of epidemiolo epidemiology. Mark, i want to start by saying that i think unlike, you know, there is always areas of good faith disagreement and bad faith, like, the sweden question seems to me in the category of good faith disagreement, were learning things about the virus in response. What is your conclusion about both swedens approach and how effective it has or has not bee been . Well, the first thing to say is they have a higher death rate than their neighbors and thats clearly attributable to in part their choice of response. And when we look around at places that have done very early and effective social distancing like austria that is getting low case numbers, you can see the difference. One is continuing to experience high cases and high deaths and the other is has it really under control and its different policies. So whats remarkable about sweden, i think, is that despite a relatively open policy, they have not yet had the problems of intensive care overload that wed experienced in new york and that other places have experienced and on the other hand, they are they as i understand it, doubled their capacity and are now having about onethird of their beds empty, which is they are over capacity. They just doubled it. Right. I think theres something yeah to be learned but its not the end of the story. Yea yeah. So i want to share the graphic again to compare them to their neighbors. They have a death per capita extremely higher. When you compare them to other countries very hard hit, mark, to your point when you compare to the u. S. , they have a higher death rate than that but a lower one in the u. K. Or italy or spain. I guess the question is, twofold. One is a lot of people say they are features of sweden that make it possible to do this, huge percentage of them live alone so theyre not transmitting in their homes and huge in heidi kn high degrees of trust in authorities to take seriously the social distancing measures they do have. What do you think about the idea of the athings like reopening. Well, i think we were having a discussion among our Research Group about what is going on in sweden and because it is an interesting history how they have escaped the answbsolute wo while still having their economy largely open and several people said my friend in sweden said my friend is social distancing and my First Response is yeah, we know people who are academics or students or whatever who can afford it and what about all the people who cant afford it . Then i thought, well, it is sweden and maybe one of the secrets of their success such as it is and its not complete success, is that they have invested in their Health System and in having a more equal society where there arent enormous concentrations of people in tight living quarters with low paying jobs they have to go to and comorbidities. I wonder if thats the reason they have weather this with albeit a high death rate. This leads to a question bedelving me and ive been talking to experts about this. We look at these comparisons across countries and regions and its clear that how quickly you move and policies and social distancing have effects, but i guess i wonder like how much of this is random . Like, when the virus sort of first got there secret and undetected and how bad the initial outbreak was and what chain it followed and how much is under our control in terms of polic policy . Yeah, i think thats a really important point. One thing we did when this epidemic started getting underway was to make a little simulation of introductions because Public Health departments said how many cases do you think we might have and one of the things we found when we did that simulation was that two places that have no difference in how they respond but just either different numbers of imported cases or different luck in which of those imported cases happens to spur additional cases can have very, very different outcomes. Exponential growth is this process that gets once it gets going, it can really make a lot of cases but if it doesnt get going for an extra week or two, that puts you in a better position at least for those couple of weeks. So there is no doubt an element, a random element that some places do better because of good luck. The final question for you is just about sort of go back to sweden. I want to note the fact that the idea that this relates to something we said last night, the idea sweden is totally normal, they banned all gatherings over 50 people. They are not doing big sports there is a category of things we think of as normal life, sweden that is fair on this has gotten rid of and it feels like thats an important thing for everyone to keep in mind as we think about policies moving forward. What do you think . Yeah, i think the comparisons between countries and between states as different states begin to reopen will help us understand what activities really are dangerous. And thats one of the lessons of sweden the package of things they are doing is clearly less effective than the full package and more effective than nothing. If we can begin to make more comparisons across different combinations, well get a better sense. A voice i really trust on this. Thank you so much for your time tonight. Thank you. Coming up, between his disastrous Pandemic Response and lagging reelection polling, donald trump is desperate to change the project. His latest scapegoating project next. Scapegoating project next [narrator] soon, lights will come on. Soon, people will be walking back through your door. Soon, life will move forward. Well welcome back old colleagues, get to know new ones some things may change, but well still be here, right here, so you can work on the business of getting your business back. At paycom, our focus will always be you and well see you soon. Yoat natures way, that startsn with quality ingredients. 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There was a story i read in the Washington Post that was similar to a thousand other articles you may have read during the trump years because it involved the president getting mad at the person who brings him bad news. The post reporting that Trump Campaign manager showed President Trump polling that had him trailing joe biden that he was slipping in a bunch of swing states and the president dropped obscenities and said he didnt believe it and recording to the reporting he threatened to sue his own Campaign Manager perhaps jokingly and none of this is new. You read stories like this dozens of times. This is the person weve come to know over the last several years. Take that exact mind set and now apply it to the worst pandemic in 100 years. It explains everything about trumps reaction to the coronavirus. He didnt want to hear the bad news. He got mad at the people who brought it to him. And so he wished it away and pretended it wasnt there and were in the midst of this crisis that cant be washed away or denied and the president is desperately searching for escape or scapegoat or change of news or change of topic, someway out. Hes tweeting at cable news all the time and allies on trump tv are trying to desperately rub two sticks together to start a fire under the Michael Flynn story. Might Michael Flynn, yeah. Pushed intelligence agencies to quote hunt for evidence to support a theory a Government Laboratory in wuhan china was the source of the outbreak. If you can push that intelligence and blame the choir news, you can blame them for whats gone wrong but there is no way out. He is locked in the room with the virus and were all locked in there with him and rather than try to solve the problem all the president can do, all hes able to do, wants to do is try to change the subject. But its not working. Well talk about that next. 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What i really hoped, because cnn tormented him, you know, in all fairness, i really hope to see because they havent done it and i appreciate your question, i hope to see that cnn will not even apologize, which they should, but just cover it fairly. Because hes in the process of being exonerated. Yes, please, we need more Michael Flynn coverage at this moment amidst the coronavirus pandemic. In the worst situation since the Great Depression and more Michael Flynn news. The president desperate to talk anything about the catastrophe in front of him. We have the White House Reporter at the daily beast, coauthor of sinking in the swamp, you reported about the tendencies and dysfunctions there and the headlines has been the pathologies and dysfunctions that weve seen throughout the years ultimately brought it bear on relatively trivial things now brought to bear on the most important thing the government has been faced with in 70 years. It is weird to see this particular commander in chief railing for a good stretch of time about quoteunquote lying brian williams, in the context of bodies piling up on the grown, hundreds of thousands of americans dead, a global pandemic, and a cratering of cotton, it really does go to show, what donald trump has exhibited during every crisis of his presidency, and every scandal he tries to work, he tries to go out to the media as much as he can, and he would much rather change the subject, and turn this into something between late night hosts and comedians and cage news hosts than actually deal with the problem at hand, it is usually when he is doing this it is a creation of his own making or significantly more small ball than, as we were both saying earlier, a global pandemic. So all of this is really doing is just showing who donald trump really is, and what his priorities are, during his policy making, his action, and his rhetoric, its just that hes doing it when it feels like the world is imploding in very dramatic, almost unprecedented sort of way. One of our segment producers made a point, i thought was right on the money, both his mental model of an election, being 2016, which is very different in many way, and also frustration with it not being 2016, and that this time around, hes the president with the record, and theres not, its not like some, you know, wild crazy outsider, its you, youre the president , and you know, three months ago, they thought they were going to run a campaign on gdp growth at 4 , and maybe people dont like him, and we could get enough voters that we can get over the hump, and its all collapsed, and you can palpably feel the morning and grief that he has for that, not for the people that weve lost but for that. Right. Absolutely. And in terms of his preface of the economy, and how he wants to change the subject now to an economic conversation, as opposed to say a massive death toll, the problem is he is not very good at changing the conversation, even to the terms that he wishes to wage the 2020 campaign on right now. When he keeps trying to talk about quoteunquote reopening the country and all of the Public Private work that his administration is doing or allegedly doing nowadays, he will do things like a couple of weeks or a week and a half ago, when he tried to convene the Economic Council of various Business Leaders and as we reported from the daily beast, he wanted to convene that for a day of marathon conference calls, so many people who were listed as oh, theyre going to be on this great panel thats dedicated to figuring out the best and safest ways to open up the u. S. Economy this summer, many of them, including close trump allies had no idea they were going to be named to the panel. Hes just grafting all of the omnishambles of his administration. And of course, his own management style, on management of the economy, and the Pandemic Response right now. And sometimes its darkly humorous, and other times it is a little bit more terrifying than that. It also strikes me, and he, and this has been a lot of reporting that has come out, that it is very clear that after he was unable to do rallies, he wanted to dot daily briefings because those became his version of rallies and he didnt have an adoring crowd there but he had these reporters who he could fight with and kind of control the mic, he controlled the space, he controlled the air time, and you know, theres always reporting that he wants to do rallies as soon as possible, he loved doing the briefings and these are the things, the reason he became president , really to do those things, and he cant do those things, what he has to do is try to manage a horrible and very hard governing challenge. Right. And even with the briefings, hes sort of stuck between these dual impulses, where part of him, going to, according to people i spoke to who work in the administration who talk to him almost every day, he did become aware, it did dawn on him late last week, when his advisers have been telling him for weeks, you might want to consider curtailing your appearances at these daily briefings because it does, the data does seem to suggest that theyre helping joe biden, and theyre putting you at greater risk for failing to get reelected and come about thursday or friday of last week, it did start to sink in a little bit, and he had started indicating to senior aides that okay, im going to back away from it. But then he started seeing coverage of how he was starting to back down from it, maybe, and how aides were starting to get through to him, so this week, hes kind of entered this weird footsie period of maybe disengaging but commanding the cameras as much as he can. Which really gets at the sort of personality that so much of this to him is just performing, how he thinks he would look good, and look like hes commanding the crisis well, rather than actually getting it done and doing the work. Yes, the performance of Crisis Management has been obviously front and center from the beginning as opposed to call Crisis Management. One of the best reporters in the white house beat, thank you for your time tonight. Thank you. That is all in for this evening. The rafrpd show starts right now. Good evening, rachel. Good evening, chris. Thanks, my friend. Much appreciated. Thanks to you at home for joining thus hour. Very happy to have you with us tonight. I will start with a piece of video that you might not want your kiddos to watch, just in the event that your kids are watching with you. Its nothing gory or sexy or anything, and we have bleeped the swears, but there are many swears to be bleeped. And so you might just want to watch this yourself before the kids see, it better safe than sorry, you can always rewind me and restart if you decide its okay for them to see. I just wanted to give you fair warning. What this is, is video we actually first got our hands on a couple of weeks ago, and it is out of kansas, specifically out of a kansas state prison. Lansing state correctional facility just outside of kansas city, kansas. And at the time that we first