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He told the cops she came after him with those scissors. He had to protect his children and save himself even if it meant a duel to the death. He worried. He phoned a lawyer friend and asked them to inform the authorities. About at the same time he took his children 0 to the neighbors house. Murder investigations are based on more than just witness statements. The csi team rushed other to todd and rachels house. The house is wellmanicured. Minus the fact that theres this yellow crime scene tape up. And then you walk through that and you walk into the doors and the house is in complete disarray. Kitchen is completely undone. Baseboards missing all over the place. The house is not put together at all. Reporter such an odd place. In the garage that doubled as a hangar, investigators found todds mustang, rachels suv, a boat, a bmw motorcycle and parts of a plane todd was refurbishing. Back inside the house, in the master bedroom, in a night stand, they found something else, too. Something quite unexpected. This blue box. Inside . Ashes. What . At the bottom of the box was a label that simply said, cremated remains of Catherine Lynn winkler. And now, suddenly, there were two mysteries to solve. What really happened in the winkler babys bloodstained bedroom . And more than a decade and two thousand miles away, what was were realizing, wait, there was a former wife . And that was just the the prosecutor would have to find out. And thats when she set out to follow a trail that lead to a man in georgia. A george that back in 1999 a detective. The case an auto accident in the fall of 99. An accident that killed the first mrs. Winkler. My father called me that night and called me told me that cathy was no longer with us. What was it like for you . It hurts. It still hurts. So many years later, carols from the loss of his sister. Never got over it. Cathy was his mentor. His protector. Perhaps his only true friend. Painfully shy, cathy, outgoing, strikingly attractive, popular. Tanya vanatter and julie lynn cox were school chums. They remember what a knockout she was but that there was more to her than just that. She could have her choice of young men. She was beautiful. Inside and out. It wasnt just her exterior beauty. She was a beautiful girl, but she just had such a sweet, kind, caring personality that it was attractive to everybody. Reporter except on weekends, when the school chums remember sneaking around the base to get a glimpse of the true stars among the young men there, no suprise, the macho Fighter Pilots. The man in the uniform. Yes, that uniform. Definitely, the jumpersuit. Very hot. Cathy and i would always joke and say, do you think youre gonna marry a pilot . Wouldnt that be so cool . Its like top gun, marry a pilot. And of course, she ended up marrying one, so. Reporter wasnt a direct route, mind you. First, in her early 20s cathy struck up a serious relationship with a pilot who in the end just couldnt seem to commit. And so, just like rachel, years later in napa, california, cathy was a young woman on the rebound when she met Fighter Pilot todd. Where the first one didnt work out or perhaps maybe it didnt work to the way that you wanted it to. And maybe she felt like this was what she needed to do. And todd came into the picture. I think having that pilot probably maybe is what caused her to marry todd. Reporter patterns. That time, too, todd was ready to commit. Right away. How long did they date before they got married . I wouldnt say it was a very long time at all. They got married within weeks of dating. She appeared to be happy, so i didnt question that. She had married her pilot. And so i thought, you know, her fairytale was coming true. Reporter the airforce sent todd to japan soon after the wedding. It was an exhilarating time for cathy, getting married, heading off to live in an exotic place. Cathy was excited to move to japan. And she was going to be an english teacher. Reporter and later, after todd left the airforce cathys friends remember how she was there for him as he tried to figure out what to do next. She was very nurturing in the fact that she was supporting him in whatever different career he was going to choose. Reporter it was a difficult time for todd. We did spend thanksgiving with them one year, and todd had put on a lot of weight. And i know that he wasnt working and he was depressed. Reporter but, todd had always had a knack for making money and he figured it out, got into the booming wifi into the booming wifi business and pretty soon cathy and todd moved into a big Lakeside House in georgia with a boat, fancy cars, and of course an airplane. Cathy, always so nurturing, told her friends she was ready to take the next step. I remember cathy calling me and telling me that they were living in georgia and that she was excited about it, and that she wanted to have children. So i was excited for her, because i can see her with little kids. Reporter but nine years into what looked like a happy marriage children had yet to arrive. And now we know, because of what was in that blue box they never would. Time to find out what happened. Who knew the discovery in that box would bring investigators all the way across the county to the blue Ridge Mountains of north georgia, to a campsite, high on a hill. Here was a lonely place. That had kept its secret long enough. Coming up. I was sleeping in my trent and i heard somebody shouting from the road help, help, help we finally come around the turn. The whole side of the mountain was on fire. Did it look like it was possible anybody could be alive . No. No. I remember falling to the ground and i said what do you mean shes dead . A mysterious death and suspicion. 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Most of the time youre just youre out there by yourself. And you make your own rules. Reporter and at night . You can go up to the top of the mountain and you can see a lot of stars you didnt know were there. Reporter but down the sides of the mountain, under a thick canopy of leaves many, many nights its just pitch black. Reporter this is the place, these are the conditions that california prosecutor Lisette Suder needed to understand. It was september, 26th 1999, one of those pitch black nights, the night mike and woody lived through one of the strangest experiences of their lives. Mike and woody were asleep in separate tents around a common campfire. And both, same moment, were suddenly startled awake. I was sleeping in my tent and i heard somebody shouting from the road about 100 yards away, help, help, help, my wife is dead. This is the middle of the night. Its the middle of the night. Reporter they got up fast and out of the black night. Some strange man come walking into their campsite going, oh, help. Help me. My wife is dead. Reporter the stranger was emotional, distraught, told them he and his wife had been camping a few miles farther up the narrow Mountain Road. He said that he had been stung by a bee and that his wife was rushing him to the hospital. And he was laying in the back of the truck. He then told us that his wife lost control of the vehicle. Reporter and then the pick up went over the edge and tumbled down the ridge, he told them. And then, he was thrown out of the back bed of the truck. It just threw him out. And then he was able to walk away. Reporter he said it crashed at the bottom and burst into flames with his wife still inside. The man looked disheveled but okay. He wanted to call 911 but didnt have a cell phone with him. And he wanted to try to find his wife he told them. Woody and mike told the stranger he could ride in the bed of their truck, while they drove up the twisting track, looking for the accident site. I i kept asking, like, wheres the wreck . Wheres the wreck . And then after that went on, you know, 20 or 30, 40 seconds, you know, going around different turns and stuff, we finally come around this turn and the whole side of the mountains on fire. Obviously, we knew we were there. Reporter it looked like several acres of forest were on fire. Did it look like it was possible anybody could be alive down there . No. No. Reporter just the same, woody and mike climbed down the steep incline as far as they could. I dont see how anybody couldve survived that wreck. The cliff, the fire, but im still hopeful, okay . I got to do something. Yeah. Reporter but there was no getting near the truck and no sign of a survivor. And then the firefighters came and the emts and, of course, the cops. They too heard the husbands bizarre tale. And they also learned his name was todd winkler. In their report they wrote that when they encountered todd, he was calling out for his wife cathy over and over. Cathy, cathy, as if he was hoping shed come walking out of that burning forest. The patrol deputies called in the investigators, which is how gerald johnson, a brand new detective at the time, found himself deep in the georgia woods early that autumn morning. What happened up there on the hill was well, you you can describe to me as best you understood at the time what had happened. Sometime during the night, he had gotten up, according to his statement, to go outside to use the restroom. And as he came back to the tent, he realized that he had been bitten by something or was having some type of reaction, that his throat was closing up and a sort of anaphylactic shock type reaction . Well, that thats what i described it as. And she takes him out to this toyota pickup, if i remember correctly. Hes crawling on his hands and knees at this point and having all these symptoms of some type of allergic reaction. Reporter johnson mostly just observed, he said, as the Georgia Bureau of investigation looked into what happened. But took no action. And eventually, the coroner ruled cathys death an accident. And then, the Life Insurance company did the same. And as the more than half Million Dollar policy on cathys life was a double indemnity, it paid double in the case of an accident. Todd got close to 1. 2 million. And the case was closed. But for the heartbreak, it was julielynn who told tanya what happened. And she said, tanya, cathys dead. Shes not alive anymore. She died. I remember falling to the ground and i said, what do you mean shes dead . Reporter cathys friend julielynn felt not just for herself but for todd, too. And i wanted to console him and just let him know that we were there for him, supporting him, anything we could do for him. And he never returned any of my calls. Reporter tanya tanya tried to call him, too. For a different reason. It just didnt add up. My phone call was strictly to figure out and to pick his brain and ask questions. Reporter because, by then, tanya was a cop herself, who knew a Little Something about suspicious behavior. Did i think he was going to answer that phone . No, and let me tell you, i tried that phone number numerous times. And after about a month of calling it repeatedly, the phone number was disconnected. Reporter she didnt get anywhere. No. But sometimes, maybe, with a little help from curious prosecutor, you get a doover. So, as the years went by, you thought about it . Oh, yes, sir. It bothered you . Yes. So, that must have made that call that you got from california all the more remarkable. When when i realized what they were asking me about, yes, sir. I thought, oh, my goodness, what in the world is going on with this case . So many questions of the long ago case. Cathy was not a camper. So many questions. Including why was cathy camping . Cathy was not a camper. The more we read, the more we realized, this was not an accident. He was play sobbing. You know, i would say it was horrible acting going on. It wasnt believable. Do you think i killed my wife . When deadly twist continues m wife when dead. Ly twist continue the u. S. Flew four surveillance fla fla planes over south korea after north korea threatened washington with a christmas gift. Raising concerns of long range missile testing. Months was a the devastating fire, paris Notre Dame Cathedral is not opened yet. They said theres a 50 chance to save the structure. This year marks the first time they failed to have Christmas Mass since the french revolution. Now back to dateline. H revolution now back to dateline. Welcome back. Investigators wondering what were the odds. Todd wring ler married twice and he both dead. He admitted killing his recent wife rachel saying it was selfdefense. California authorities wanted to know more about the circumstances around his first wifes death. And whether history might be repeating itself. With more of our story, here is Keith Morrisson. Reporter once, when outsiders came to these north georgia mountains and valleys it was to make a movie called deliverance. This time, the visitors were california detectives. Here to find out exactly what happened on this Mountain Path on a dark night more than a decade ago. We got all those police reports. Reporter out in california, 15 years later, prosecutor Lisette Suder was convinced. For the sake of her own case, she had to find out what really happened up here on this isolated Mountain Road in september, 1999. What is very important about the georgia case and our case is it goes to his intent in the rachel case. Reporter and before long she knew. This was going to be explosive. The georgia case could be her best evidence in the here and now in california to show that todd winkler was perfectly capable of spousal murder. Because she soon believed he had done it before. The more we read, the more we realized that this was not an accident. Reporter todds behavior up here on the mountain, said prosecutor suder, was deeply suspect. For one thing, his stories just kept changing with each telling, like the one about where he was sitting in the truck as it headed down the mountain trail, in the passenger seat, holding cathys hand, as he told the police, or back in the bed of the truck, as the campers insisted he told them. And when the truck went off the road . Did he describe being thrown out of the vehicle . Not to us, but there was another interview. That was done earlier, where i think he described to someone as a twisting and turning motion. But in our interview, what i recall him sayin is that when he came to himself, he was layin on the ground, outside the vehicle. There was a huge fire. And he didnt know where his wife was. So from reporter so that he didnt remember the accident at all, in your interview . Right, right. Reporter but apparently he did in some other interview. And thats correct. Reporter there were differing stories about what sort of bug supposedly bit him. Supposedly causing an allergic reaction so bad he had to ask cathy to rush him down the mountain to a hospital. Yet, when the cops asked to see the bug bite . He didnt know where the bug bite was. Didnt know what bit him. Reporter didnt know where it was . No, sir. Reporter something serious enough to give him an allergic reaction that doesnt present anywhere is a bit odd. That was a big question in my mind. Reporter todd told the cops back then that he had a history of allergic reactions. Always carried an epipen for emergencies. Yet didnt take that to the wilderness that weekend. Did that seem strange to you that hed go camping without an epipen if he was subject to this sort of thing . It seemed strange to me that we were spendin so much time talkin about bug bites. It was almost as if we were tryin to steer away from the real issue, which was a fatality crash involving his wife. Reporter it also seem strange he said that by the time the campers saw todd, he displayed no evidence of an allergic reaction. Of course, Lisette Suder and her people interviewed mike and woody too. And they told her, as they told us, that they never forgot how strangely phony todd seemed when he arrived at their campsite that night. He was kind of kinda playsobbing, i would say, you know . It was it was some horrible acting going on. It wasnt believable. Reporter they also wondered why, on a warm southern night, was todd dressed in several layers of heavy clothing . Was he protecting himself from a fall he knew he was going to cause . He had a lot of extra clothing on. But i also remember he also had a toboggan hat on. Reporter the kind you pull down over your ears. The kind yes. And im standin there in a tshirt, shorts, and flip flops. Reporter also, why did the accident happen on the one spot in the whole drive that offered a long straight drop hundreds of feet into a deep ravine . The steepest cliff possible on that road. Reporter why did their toyota pick up erupt into flames . That might happen in the movies, but rarely in real life. Why did it look like the fire had been burning for a long time . It was the whole side of the mountain. It was a big mountain. It had to have been burnin an hour or two. Yeah, probably. I would think. Closer to two. Reporter curiosities. Why would he bring up here to the very top of the mountain to go camping its an hours drive over a rutted track to the other campers farther down the hill. Acording to cathys family she didnt like camping at all. So why would he bring her to the most remote possible place . No one camps up there. Unless you want to be really secluded. Reporter and that said cathys brother was not something she would have wanted. Did she like to go camping . No. Shed rather be in a hotel any day over a tent, knowin my sister. Reporter puzzled cathys friends too. I was like, camping . Cathy was not a camper. Reporter and there was this i recall him at some point, mr. Winkler saying, do you think i killed my wife . Reporter is that a question an innocent man would ask, johnson wondered . And when the investigaor responded. Johnson remembered thinking todds behavior seemed off, inappropriate. If i remember correctly, special agent roberts says, did you . And then at that point he became very emotional, you know . Oh, i cant believe and his body language and his demeanor was just so over the top. Reporter but though they may have had their suspicions back in 1999, suspicion alone didnt make the death of Cathy Winkler anything but what it was called at the time, an accident. Insurance companies investigated and paid out, because they felt that it was a real accident, and the authorities there couldnt show that it wasnt a real accident. So why was it worth you looking at it again . Well, we knew a lot more about todd winkler at this point. We knew a lot more about how he goes about getting what he wants. Reporter the more she learned about cathy winkers death the more it seemed to her that todd must have planned it all. Just as the evidence here in california was telling her that the killing of Rachel Winkler more than a decade later was a case of history, todd winklers history, repeating itself. But if she had some crusading idea of finding justice in that old case, and using it to solidify her own here in california, shed have persuade a judge, first. Coming up. 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You committed a crime, the punishment was meted out then and there. But not now. For more than two years after the bloody confrontation in the winklers nursery, todd waited in jail to be tried for her murder. And i just started just pacing around the house just saying, god, i just killed their mother. Reporter for those two years, todd maintained, as he had from the very beginning, that he killed rachel only to save his own life, to save himself and his children. From jail, he and his family fought a losing battle with rachels father, don hatfield, who won custody of those children. And here began atoning for the sins of his youth by devoting his life to three little kids, eva, ariel and alex. It was after all that that they held the trial. Prosecutor Lisette Suder intended to portray todd as a manipulative and devious man who murdered not one wife but two. That is if she could persuade a california judge to allow an old georgia case to be dusted off and brought back to life. I felt confident that i had the law behind me on that. And i submitted my brief, and i that supported that. Reporter and . She won. And so, in september of 2014, when todd winker went on trial charged with firstdegree murder of second wife rachel, Lisette Suder could use the georgia story about first wife cathys death 15 years earlier against him. And the defense . Dismissed the georgia case out of hand. Irrelevant, said todds attorney. Cathy winklers death was thoroughly investigated, he said. And it was not ruled a murder, because it was not a murder. Theres no evidence of anything other than an accident. Reporter todds attorney was able to explain away the things that had raised suspicion. Cathys family was wrong, said the defense. She loved camping. A ranger who saw them making their dinner way up in this remote spot, so far from any other living soul, said they seemed happy. And the insurance money, remember that . That wasnt motive, just business as usual for a pair of uppermiddle class professionals. In addition to the insurance policy of about 1. 1 million that cathy had at the time of her death on her own life, he had 1. 2 million on his own life. Reporter no, cathy and todd were a young upwardly mobile couple. Life insurance was cheap, easy to get. They both had it. Anyway, todd loved cathy. Why else would he keep her ashes all these years. Cathys death, said the defense, had nothing whatever to do with the event for which todd was on trial, the death of Rachel Winkler, and he wasnt guilty in this case either. This is not a murder case, ladies and gentlemen. Its a selfdefense case, or at most its a voluntary manslaughter case. Reporter there were two good reasons to believe that, said the defense. Reason one, self defense. As todd told the police that very first day it was probably a kill or be killed kind of situation. Reporter he was a good guy in a bad situation, said his attorney. He worked hard and long hours to support rachel. He wanted to make her happy, and he was a good dad. And for that she cheated on him, threatened him and then attacked with those scissors. Of course, by that point, todd told the police, she was a very unstable woman. Started drinking, started binge drinking. I was afraid for the children. She was just spinning into this mental cycle of selfdestruction. Reporter and then todds defense revealed this little gem. Shes signed up for california sweetheart, which is an adult connection kind of you can judge for yourselves what it is. Reporter married to a man shed grown to hate, in an affair with a man she was maybe thinking of cheating on, said the defense. She was conflicted, said todds attorney. She was telling people she was afraid of todd. And yet she sure didnt act like it here, todd and rachel look happy. Compare it with this photograph taken in las vegas about just a few days before rachel died. Reporter but there was something else, said todds attorney, and it was reason number two, that rachels death was not murder. And that was that his client had a psychotic breakdown when rachel attacked him. His ability to understand what he was doing was diminished. Why should the jury believe that . Well, as youll remember, rachel herself described todd as unstable at times. And now the defense presented evidence of what they said was his history of psychotic episodes. The first one happened in asia, Something Like 20 years earlier when todd was married to cathy and was flying with the fighting samurai squadron. He was caught shoplifting from a base px. He claimed amnesia. So the air force sent him off for psychiatric tests. But then it got even more bizarre, and cathy called her friend tanya. She telephoned me saying, im in hawaii. Todd had a mental breakdown, and so hes in a psychiatric facility. She had said to me that he escaped and was in the wooded area in hawaii. And for a week or two. And when he finally came out of the woods he said that he was a samurai warrior. Reporter back then, after months of psychiatric evaluation, todd was diagnosed with dissociative disorder, a neurosis that warped his view of reality. Not exactly what the air force wanted in a Fighter Pilot. And because of events and the determinations by the air force psychiatrists, he was retired medically with a 50 disability. Reporter and there was that incident in amsterdam. Remember . Rachel told james about it. It happened just before he was due to make an important presentation at a conference. That time he appeared to black out, became catatonic, ended up in the hospital where they found nothing wrong with him and released him. Rachel told james he faked the episode. But here at trial, a defense psychiatrist testified todd suffered from real mental issues, dissociative disorder, conversion disorder, which meant he could be violent if he felt he was under attack. And that awful morning . First he told the police she threatened to sic her wellarmed boyfriend on him. And she said, no, you know, im looking to have my boyfriend get rid of you. Reporter and then she was coming at me with a vee of scissors. Reporter rachels dad, don, and selfdescribed soulmate, soulmate, james, watched as the defense argued that todd had no choice but to kill the woman they so loved. His state of mind is what you really need to pay careful attention to here. He knows shell kill him. He knows if he doesnt end it, it could end him. Reporter all very sad, said the defense, but not murder. And what would prosecutor suder say about that . Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Reporter simple, all that psychiatric stuff, she said, was fakery. Todd winkler may have had, or feigned, some disorder that got him out of the air force, she said, but he killed rachel. And it was murder, deliberate and planned, she said, committed by a man practiced at getting away with things. This is a case about a mastermind, a manipulator, a murderer. This is a case about todd winkler and how he brutally murdered rachel marie winkler, his wife, mother of his three small children. Reporter todd winkler did not have to fend off a scissorwielding wife, said prosecutor suder, so it wasnt selfdefense. Fakery. Todd winkler may have had, or feigned, some disorder that got him out of the air force, she said, but he killed rachel. And it was murder, deliberate and planned, she said, committed by a man practiced at getting away with things. This is a case about a mastermind, a manipulator, a murderer. This is a case about todd winkler and how he brutally murdered rachel marie winkler, his wife, mother of his three small children. Reporter todd winkler did not have to fend off a scissorwielding wife, said prosecutor suder, so it wasnt selfdefense. And rachels death could not be blamed on any mental condition either, any more than the death of another mrs. Winkler in those dark woods so long ago. But as she began to tell that part of the story watch what happened. Shes found burned to death down a steep embankment where the car went. The car and she burned. And the defendant is very fine with just a few minor scratches on him. You are not samurai. Stop, stop, stop. Stop, stop, stop. Judge you do not speak truth. You only want to destroy. You have no bushido. You have no bushido. Reporter bailliffs and his lawyer struggled to restrain todd. It looked like the whole trial would be over. Coming up. Whatever happened, somebody made up her mind. I was told monsters dont exist. My parents told me that. I can tell you with absolute certainty that is 110 false. He is a monster. When deadly twist continues. A monster. When deadly twist continues. Sleep this amazing . Thats a zzzquil pure zzzs sleep. Our liquid has a unique botanical blend, while an optimal melatonin level means no nextday grogginess. Zzzquil pure zzzs. Naturally superior sleep. 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Here is Keith Morrisson with a conclusion of deadly twist. Shes found burned to death down a steep embankment. Reporter just as the prosecutor was laying out her case against todd winkler in the killing of his wife, rachel, a sudden, inexplicable outburst from todd. You are not samurai. Stop, stop, stop. Stop, stop, stop. You do not speak truth. You only want to destroy. You have no bushido. You have no bushido. Reporter bushido . In japanese, the way of the warrior, the honorbased code of conduct of a samauri. Why was todd winkler raving about it now . Was this another psychotic episode . Judge, off the bench. Stop, stop, stop. Reporter of course, the trial came to a screeching halt. A mistrial loomed. May we have the courtroom cleared . Reporter instead, the judge came down hard on todd. If you want to play the game, well play it. And well just make sure everyones here, its safe. Reporter were there parallels . You bet there were, said the prosecutor. The deaths of cathy and rachel were both coldblooded, calculated killings. Hes had, now, two wives where he has been the one who has been the only witness to a crime. Reporter but, she said, based on what investigators found, the events at 3 00 in the morning in the california airpark were not so hard to determine. And she prepared the jury. What happened that night was horrific. One, todd opened rachels laptop and found the divorce documents shed been working on with her boyfriend, james. That laptop has disappeared from its ususal place in winkler home. Two, he grabbed the scissors from a craft box, which was kept on a shelf right above the computer. And three, prosecutor suder i believe he took a pair of scissors and he went in that room with the intent to kill her. He attacked her while she was sleeping, stabbed her repeatedly in the face and the neck area. And i believe, at that point, he thought he had killed her, and he left her for dead. Reporter then, said the prosecutor, as todd prepared to leave the house, he saw a light had been turned on in the babys room. So thats when he then goes, gets his motorcycle jacket on for padding, for protection, bangs in the door, finds her in that corner. Reporter cowering . Cowering. Reporter trying to save her own life . Correct. Reporter they knew that rachel spent some time after the first attack holding her baby. From prosecution closings baby alexs onesie was examined. And you know that there are drip blood, like being droplet blood, up on top of that onesie. Thats how we know that rachel was holding that baby. Reporter then todd came back. Shes in the corner there. She kicks at him. Reporter didnt stop him. He bear crawls up her body. He takes those scissors, and this exFighter Pilot jams them into her neck, and he sits there and lays there on top of her while she slowly dies. Reporter after that, for seven hours, todd cleaned up, said the prosecutor, then took his kids to the neighbors house. And then, after dropping the kids at the neighbors, but before the cops arrived, he took the time to cut his hands, to make it look as if hed been attacked by rachel. How did they know the cuts were selfinflicted . The neighbor said his hands werent cut when he dropped off the kids. And then the prosecutor told the jury about the ashes, Cathy Winklers ashes, which rachel discovered months before she was killed. And learned how there had been a crash, and he had no injuries and she had died. Rachel was upset by this and said, well, is this how im going to turn out . And this defendants reply was, well, youre not going to get in my way, are you . Reporter rachel knew she was in danger, said prosecutor suder, as a doomed young woman had already told her closest friends and family. And rachel explained that this defendant said to rachel, if you divorce me, you will end up like my last wife. She did. Reporter after 13 days of testimony the jury got the case. They were out one day. We, the jury in the above entitled action, find the defendant todd alan winkler guilty of the crime of firstdegree murder. Reporter no outburst this time. No breakdown. The former Fighter Pilot sat quietly and listened. He got 26 years to life. It was over for todd. But not for anyone else. Not really. As james whites daughter, katelyn, told us i was told that monsters dont exist. My parents always told me that. And after going through that trial and seeing what i had to see, i can tell you with absolute certainty that that is 110 false. He is a monster. Reporter and rachels men . We werent surprised to hear that james has his own idea of what justice might be. Did you have any thought about what would happen if the Justice System didnt look after todd in a way that seemed reasonable to you . He would have been dealt with. Reporter by whom . Me. Reporter you know, they could have put you in prison for life. It would have been a oneway mission. He and i are both goig to go down together. Im not going to shoot him. Im going to kill him with my two bare hands. Im going to do to him what he did to rachel. Reporter tim cherrington, the man who failed to commit and then watched the love of his life go on to her terrible end, has his own way of taking revenge, mostly on himself. Kind of a tragic love story from your point of view . It is, it is. Reporter i mean, this is a woman you couldve spent the rest of your life with. Very, very easily could, yes. I should have pulled the trigger when i had that chance, you know. I blew it. I didnt, you know, give her the ring earlier. Reporter well, youre still paying for it, arent you . Yeah. Yes, i am, yeah. Thats a tough one. Reporter different kind of thinking across the country, among the friends of that other mrs. Winkler, the one whose death on a lonely Mountain Road, is still officially labelled, accident. I mean, this is a beautiful woman who gave so much, was so nurturing and caring. I dont feel like theres been justice for cathy. I think about cathys death all the time. Reporter about whether she could somehow have done more to prevent a second death, the murder of Rachel Winkler. My heart breaks for those children. I wish i could hug them all and tell that im so sorry that i didnt press harder to make them open this case or be that strong person that i was. I apologize. Reporter and some day, said don hatfield, hell find the words to tell the story to rachels children, ariel, alex and eva. And thats for this dateline extra. Thank you for watching. R watchig he came home and found his entire family gone. I thought what are you talking about . This is surreal. 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