Transcripts For MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes 20190908

Thank you. Thank you very much. It is great to be here in our friday night studio here in 30 rock. Its been a week of watching hurricane tear through the atlantic and watching the president lose his mind. Both of which have had big consequences. The devastations in the bahamas is truly horrifying. Well talk about that in just a little bit. Right now thankfully the storm seems to be pulling away from the u. S. East coast and go back out to sea. For most parts of United States we have been fairly lucky to miss the worst of what could have been. Perhaps no place was more lucky than alabama. [ laughter ]. Which was lucky. [ cheers and applause ]. Alabama said, no, no effects for the hurricane, none, because it never came any close to alabama. No one thought it ever would really, except the president of the United States. Who to this very day, mine like an hour ago, is still trying to convince everyone that when he said on sunday that alabama was going to get, quote, hit much harder than anticipated, that that was actually true. It wasnt true. The National Weather service said it wasnt true. Everybody knows it wasnt true. So then so then the president of the United States brings out a sixday old chart that has clearly been altered by a sharpie by someone, both bloomberg and the Washington Post report that trump drew the sharpie. Because of course he did. Who else would do that . It led to this bout of like, you know, like laugh to keep from crying humor. Thats very familiar to us in this era. Like, oh, ahha. Oh. The hashtag trump sharpie on twitter. This accurate image of trump golfing. [ laughter ]. These are new polling numbers that are just out. They look pretty good for the president. Is that the president s inaugural crowd size. You want to take a look at that. Also his hand size, which hes fixated on. And my personal favorite, i am americas first centor president. Thats me. Its ludacris. What do you do . You just laugh. Hes drawing with sharpies, but there really is a hurricane. The stakes of that are really important, but the situation in the oval office is absurd. Manifestly. The thing is were not alone. One place in the world extremely high stakes and complete absurdity includes the own, our close ally across the pond the united kingdom. There somehow the politics are even more bizarre than ours. This looked like the british version of an american tv show this week. Vice president mike pence was treated to what must be a very familiar experience which is having to sit next to a wildhaired world leader prading on meat products. Seriously look. Is it still the case that you know United States of america, the people of United States of america dont eat any british lamb or beef at all hagis . Its true. We dont eat a lot of hagis. Uk is having essentially a full scale societywide political nervous breakdown. Its a really crazy thing to watch, particularly because its a little like looking into our own future. Do you remember back in june of the 2016, the people of the united kingdom, they came together in a referendum and voted to leave the european union, to brexit. And im going to be totally clear with you about this. I do this for a living. Ive been reading about it. Ive been studying, and i remain completely baffle about what the hell is happening over there. Completely. All i know is that its like when a machine starts to break down and you start to smell the smoke before it explodes and thats what the entire uk governmental system is like right now. Boris johnson, of course, is the new Prime Minister, but he doesnt control anything. This week a guy from his conservative party literally walked across the aisle to leave the conservative party and take away johnsons majority from him. Right . [ cheers and applause ]. And johnsons hold on parliament collapsed. He has now lost three votes in a row. And amidst this chaos this guy who looks like someone drew him in a cartoon of the british to have decided to just lay down while everyone debated the fate of the nation. Theres people yelling at him to sit up and show some respect. People are yelling at each other all over the place, even more than usual. And no one knows whats going to happen. Literally no one knows. Its possible it is not the most likely scenario its generally a possibility that britain will dump out of the eu and will not have toilet paper, pharmaceuticals or bananas. Full out self imposed, self created nationwide catastrophe like the kinds that you would expect during war or in the aftermath of a Natural Disaster except theres no war and theres no Natural Disaster. They just decided to do this to themselves. That is what were watching. And thats why i cant keep my eyes off of it because i feel like im looking into our future. When brexit happened in summer 2016, we were all watching the Trump Campaign at the time and a lot of people were like, well, this is nuts and maybe entertaining but the guy is not going to be president of the United States. And then brexit happened. It was like, oh, oh. Oh, its completely possible. Its totally possible for democracy to just come together and collectively decide to do something insane. Thats a total possibility. And there are like a million headlines after the brexit vote. What does brexit mean for trump . Is trump americas surprise . And trump himself, who knew nothing about brexit a few days before brexit, started telling everyone like theyre calling me mr. Brexit. What does that even mean . And then he won in november, maybe you remember that. And ever since i feel like every time you look across the pond you are looking into our tone terrifyingly depraved near future. And as crazy and dysfunctional as our politics are, somehow they do seem even crazier over there. I think theres a reason for that. They dont really have a way out over there. Think about this, so theyre on a kind of collision course in the uk between direct democracy and Representative Democracy. Right . The country voted a marjority vote in a referendum to do a thing that is a terble idea. And if they do the thing thats a terrible idea, then they are keeping faith with that vote, with direct democracy, but the representatives of the country think its a godawful idea. And if they manage to stop it, Representative Democracy win but what the heck did you do about that vote . Why did you go ahead with this big ref ren zmum what does that mean if you get a do over, right . Theyre trapped. If someone could pull the emergency brake they would. In fact, thats what the people who are abandoning the conservative party, walking across lines thats what theyre trying to do. Parliament has been around a long time, but it has faced this set of circumstances never. And it has to craft an emergency brake out of nothing in the midst of the speeding train and theyre watching the train hurdle towards impact which is some deadline where theyre no longer in the eu. They dont have a constitution over there. Its a little weird. Its sort of works for them. They have traditions. And people are testing all those traditions. Like some are so desperate now that the queen is somehow going to save them. Queen her majesty will fix it. Were a perfectly functioning democracy. Please. So over here we have a similar situation in some ways with a big advantage which is that we have emergency brakes on the train. We know democracies can come together and collectively select bad, bad ideas. Theyre capable of doing that. [ laughter ]. In our defense, in our defense, the bad idea, donald trump, was not democratically selected in the strictest sense, right . I was talking about the Electoral College last week. He did lose by 3 million votes. He was no a majority vote. [ applause ]. He was also the subject of two different criminal conspiracies to sabotage his opponent that we know of. All right. Always good to keep that in mind. Both the uk and the u. S. Developed democracies, landed in a situation where they have currently on a terrifying track and theyre trying to figure out how to stop the train and reverse course and britain is trying to figure out how to do it right now but we can do that. We can wait until the next election and hope the train doesnt crash by then. One option, but the constitution does provide two emergency brakes to pull before the next station. Like, in the constitution, they thought of this. If you made a terrible mistake and ended up with the most powerful person in the country and world was a criminal and abusing his office and committing misdemeanors hypically theres a mechanism to remove him. Years later, we passed another amendment, we ratified one to deal with the president who is not fit for office. Like, okay, lets just say hypothesi hypothesizing. What if donald trump lost his mind, no, what if he had a psychotic break in front of all of us and what if for the next 12 months all he talked about was alabama. Seriously. Play out the thought experiment. Okay. Days go by and every question at every press conference, every official address, at every event he does, every tweet is just about that it was going to hit alabama. At a certain point i think we would have to remove the guy, right . Like if he had a brake. I dont know how long it would take, but we would just, i think, come together as a country at some point, two months, six months, eight months of him still talking about alabama, but we have to take the presidency away from him. [ applause ]. You dont have to applaud that. Thats grim. So aside from a piece theres a 25th amendment and if hes deemed unfit and lucky now have have a consensus of his cabinet and republican party, we could theoretically avoid the disaster that the uk is heading towards because we do have an out. We do have an out. The question is do we have the political will to take the out . Look over across the pond at those mps who have abandoned johnson. Right . [ applause ]. Including, including Boris Johnsons own brother who is named joe johnson, which is perfect. And is like, i cant. I cant. Im leaving. Im out. I cannot be with my own flesh and blood. Im going to betray him to save the country and work on the emergency brake. [ applause ]. And if we had that attitude here, we could do it. We have an out. We are actually in a better position than they are. We dont have a deadline ahead of us where the country will have disastrous, enormous change that will happen. We dont have to fashion the emergency brake out of tradition. Weve got a system in front of us. It has been used before. It has been front of the nation and the question is, whether we have the people that have the courage right now to take the out. [ cheers and applause ]. Joining me now columnist of the intercept, first person to appear in all in live. How are you . Good. Confused. You and i had a good on going discussion about this parallels between brexit and the trump and the u. S. And one of the things that has been up until now in the case the tory standing by essentially this line. It broke this week. What is the significance of that happening this week . Oh, theres so much significan significance, chris. You el looquently explained in r introduction. The craziness in britain is beyond disbelief. Were in six days of sharpie gate. Every time you think american politics couldnt get worse uk says hold my beer. I say this to you, youre right to say that the americans have a get out and the u. S. Constitution provides get outs and its true, donald trump is for the next five years max, brexit is forever which what makes this whole october 31st cutoff such a big deal. Theres no going back. What you mentioned at the end, 21 conservative mps helped a Prime Minister lose their first ever vote since 1894. 21 senior mps abandoned him. His own brother abandoned him. Can you imagine happening can you imagine that happening in this city . Can you imagine 21 House Republicans voting against donald trump . Can you imagine ivanka trump quitting the white house in disgust . No, you cannot. Right. And theres the other part this makes this tricky in both places, right, i think for you and i view this clearly as a disaster both in terms of brexit and trump, but theres many of our fellow citizens on both sides of the atlantic who dont. In the case of the uk and here, like if you impeach donald trump, millions of people would see it as illegitimate, see you as robbing and trying to undo an election he won and fair square and uk there was a majority of people. People did come out and vote for this thing and that seems like it has to loom large for everyone figuring out what to do over there. Yes. Thats part of the problem. Even people opposed to brexit recognize theres a real democratic challenge on both sides. Parliament is supposed to be sovereign in the uk. Boris johnson is suspending Parliament Next Week for five weeks which has never been done before on that length of time to avoid these parliamentary debates. He said tonight in fact uk he was asked will you follow this law that was just passed in parliament to prevent a no deal brexit and he said he wont. He said its in theory. The Prime Minister of uk says he will defy the law. Who does that sound like . A president who said he would defy subpoenas. This is about democracy and the rule of law fundamentally. Unfortunately we unleashed on both sides of the atlantic these forces of populism, nationalism, ill liberalism and, yes, racism on both sides of the atlantic driving trump and brexit. How do you put those forces back in the bottle . Thats why things will only get worse on both sides before they get better. Theres one other big difference here and i think about this a lot which is you over there keep having deadlines. We have to do this or were dumping out of the european union. Here that doesnt exist. Theres not the sense of the ticking time bomb in the background. Every day we all wake up and roll the dice that theres not some huge catastrophe. It doesnt result in some genuinely generational horrible happening in the moment and i wonder sometimes if that makes us more complacent here than in the uk where everyone sees it coming . Yes. And i think thats definitely the case in terms of as i said, brexit is forever. So theres no undoing it. I think there is a sense come november 2020 americans will make things right and get rid of donald trump in an election. And of course the bigger issue is number one will he lose and number two, if he loses will he go . This is a man who wont accept a weather forecast. Do you think hes going to accept the election result . Thats a great point. Mehdi hasan, thank you for making time. Thank you. Dont go anywhere. Were talking climate with bill nye the science guy coming up next. [ cheers and applause ]. The weathers perfect. Family is all together and we switched to geico; saved money on our boat insurance. How could it get any better than this . Dad, i just caught a goldfish theres no goldfish in this lake. Whoa its pure gold. Were gonna be rich. Were gonna be rich it only gets better when you switch and save with geico. Sleep number 360 smart bed. St sale of the year on a can it help keep us asleep . Yes, it senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. Save 40 on the sleep number 360 limited Edition Smart bed. Plus 0 interest for 24months on all beds. Ends sunday. Now, theres skyrizi. I have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. 3 out of 4 people achieved. 90 clearer skin at 4 months. After just 2 doses. Skyrizi may increase your risk of infections. And lower your ability to fight them. Before treatment your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor if you have an infection. Or symptoms such as fevers,. Sweats, chills, muscle aches or coughs. Or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. I feel free to bare my skin. Visit skyrizi. Com. [ cheers and applause ]. Were getting more accounts of what happened in the bahamas. There are 30 people that are confirmed dead. The Health Minister said, quote, the public needs to prepare for unimaginable information about the death toll and the human suffering. He warned of a staggering final count. Theyve been barely able to even search for the hundreds who are still unaccounted for. The destruction in the bahamas is a reminder of one of the central facts of the era of climate crisis, which is that it will hit with unequal force. It will affect everyone, but the places that are expected most exposed to climate impact, like caribbean islands, for instance, places that are poor, are going to experience catastrophe, and we need to think about what that means for all of us who share this planet. For that im joined by the host of the podcast science rules, bill nye the science guy. [ applause ] bill, obviously obviously hurricanes have been decimating the caribbean in the gulf of mexico for years. We have Historical Records of these things happening. What do we what is the science say, and what do we know about the ways in which climate affects these sort of extreme events . Well, people are continually trying to connect each extreme event with Climate Change computer models. But its quite difficult to do. But this we can say. Its how much bigger is a given hurricane now than it would have been before human caused Climate Change. So there is all this trouble now with not only the size of hurricanes, but how the winds aloft affect how fast they move. And as has been pointed out by many people over the last few days, its not the category number that matters. Its just how much rain does it dump for how long. Right. Along with the wind. In the good old days, there was not very much infrastructure in the bahamas or other caribbean islands because fewer people lived there a century ago. But now electrification and the ways of the developed world are making their way into these areas. So when everything is torn up, its a mess. So the people who live there, of course, its very troublesome. But thats just one example of other places around the world that are going to be affected even more strongly, where they have less ability to travel and change their way of life, and so on. This is a very serious problem. The poor people are going to be affected the most. But look, were all in this together. You know, new york, boston, parts of nova scotia are being affected by dorian. This is a big old storm, everybody. And there is also the ways in which those areas that are affected, like as youre saying this sort of development that they have creates the conditions in which people can adapt or have to move. We think about a place like bangladesh, which is extremely exposed to Sea Level Rise or places throughout the developed world where farming will be impacted. It does seem that we will start to see and have started to see big migration movements of folks that cannot live where they currently are. There you go. And where are they going to go and whos going to pay for it . And so on and so on. Weve been saying for decades, the sooner we get to work on this, the better. To me, Climate Change, along with all the trouble, fills me with optimism because were going to solve problems that weve never solved before. And for me, the icon, the thing that just hits me so strongly is this business of Plastic Straws versus paper straws, okay . A plastic straw is just better. It just works better than a paper straw. I agree with that. You can chew on it. Its great. It holds its shape. A paper straw, no, its nothing. So what should we do . Ban Plastic Straws . Theyre horrible. How can you even think of using a plastic straw. Youre a bad not progressive person. No. We will use the technology and the paper utensil industry to create even better straws. Right. And there will be a time coming very soon where people will forget about the whole problem because we will have solved it. And are you saying we should apply government money to make better straws . Yeah. Thats kind of what im saying. You know, i feel like we have already gone through weve already gone through this with light bulbs, because i remember when you had regulation back in 2006 you have to use compact fluorescent light bulb, and those lightbulbs were terrible. Yeah, look at that. And now you go and you get light bulbs in home depot, and theyre incredible. And that was just forced by regulation, that innovation. Well, yes. Well, and of course, everybody benefitted. And i remind you, perhaps you know this about the cow man and the farmer. The cow man and the farmer should be friends. Yes. Its in a song. I just saw oklahoma so thats top of mind. So people who raise food depend on the internet to plant all their seeds, to get extraordinary modern seeds that are beneficially genetically modified, to feed four or five or ten times as many people as we could two centuries ago because of improvements in agricultural technology. But that technology was developed with government money. Yeah. Thats not a bad thing. Thats a thing. And everybody who develops that technology in silicon valley, ive met them. They all eat food. And that food is produced by farmers, generally in the breadbasket of the world, which is here in the United States and canada. So the farmer and the cow man should be friends, and we should all be getting along and working together. Now i think all the time. About how we just celebrated the 50th anniversary of landing on the moon. In 2010, thats about 150 billion. Somewhat more in modern dollars. Okay. You can get a lot done with 150 billion, okay. Yeah. So for example, im not saying this is the answer, im just saying for example. There is a company trying to do very, very hot fusion. This is not cold fusion. This is very hot fusion. Since i was a kid, since i was in engineering school, people have been trying to do fusion by shooting a beam of hydrons. That has an extra nutron. It has not worked. These people have boron and hydrogen. You just happened to have that laying there. I just have it. To produce the three alpha particles, the same alpha parts that we get inside the sun. And they believe they can do it for 30 billion. And they have this scheme to raise the 30 billion with derivative technology that theyve got by this new Battery Storage thing and this new capacitor and this new stuff. No. If we spent five times that kind of money, we could see whether or not this technology worked. And if it did, it would change the world. Right. So this whole idea of just ringing your hands what we cant do, we cant eat meat, we cant do this, no. Great point. Lets go, people. This is the United States. Lets innovate. [ applause ] say yes. Air transportation has to be solved. Ground transportation has to be addressed. We have to electrify all ground transportation. We have to probably electrify air travel. Lets go yes. And i will say one more thing on that note, which is we also have to then transfer that technology and make it accessible to places like the bahamas and the Dominican Republic and bangladesh. When you go, when you go to the developing world. Right. Everybody has a mobile phone. Yep. Because that technology became cheap enough. But bear in mind it was started. Here. With largely investment in the military. Thats what led to the internet. Thats what led to all this efficiency of data transmission. Its not a bad thing. Its a thing. Lets work together, you everybody. We can change the world. All right. Bill nye, thank you very much. [ cheers and applause ]. When we come back, one of the cofounders of march for our live david hogg will join me here on set. Dont go away. Thats your refle. Only pay for what you need. Liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty on a scale of one to five . One to five . Its more like five million. Theres everything from happy to extremely happy. Theres also angry. Im really angry clive actually, really angry. Thank you. But what if your business could understand what your customers are feeling. And then do something about it. Turn problems into opportunities. Thanks drone. Customers into fanatics change the whole experience. Alright who wants to go again . I do i do i have a really good feeling about this. At verizon, were building the most powerful 5g experience for america. Thats why the nfl chose verizon. Because they need the massive capacity of 5g with ultra wideband, so more screaming, streaming, posting fans. Can experience 5g all at once. This is happening in 13 stadiums all across the country. Now if verizon 5g can do this for the nfl. Imagine what it can do for you. Liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. I wish i could shake your hand. Granted. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Standing here talking to you on friday. Its extremely easy to forget there was another mass shooting in america less than one week ago. A guy in texas drove around shooting people out of his car window. He killed seven people. And since the murder at Sandy Hook Elementary School in december 2012, there have been at least 2,216 Mass Shootings in america in which four or more people were shot. Many of those, i would say the vast majority never make the news. But as numb as the culture may be and the news may be, the fact is there is some movement politically that is happening right now. Walmart announced a big policy shift this week. No more open carry in their stores. The republican Lieutenant Governor of texas came out in favor of background checks for gun sales between private citizens. That happened. And democrats are planning to come back to washington next week and make gun violence and gun safety a priority. And its impossible, i think to think about us getting to this part of where we are with the politics without the Movement Building after the mass shooting happened last year in parkland, particularly the march for our lives. The students there have galvanized a nation around this cause. And joining me now is one of the students who is at the center of that organizing area, david hogg. [ applause ] hey, buddy. How are you . Have a seat. Thank you for taking time away from school and everything to come here. You you took a gap year where you were doing organizing on this issue. Yeah. I talk to people all the time and say its never going to change, never going to change. What do you think about whats happening right now . Where are we right now many this movement . I want to acknowledge first of all that the movement didnt start with us. It started decades, arguably centuries ago, and has been predominantly led, oftentimes by women of color that have been working against gun violence prevention so much. [ applause ] for example, as an example of that, the marches across the country were the Number One Group of people that were most of the march organizers were actually women of color that were work iing and decided to d it. And enabled us to have one of the largest protests in american history. But now that weve acknowledged that importantly, because of tens of thousands of people across the country, including people like eric ford in new york city who works over in jamaica, queens, i think were at a moment where the table is about to flip. You really feel that way . Yes, i do. And i think its because of really what its going to be is corporations like walmart taking action on this issue. But what i think we have to do more than anything is reinforce that Good Behavior first and foremost. We need to go out and show our support for Companies Like walmart when they do take action on these issues. Because ceos are scared if they do take action on these issues because theyre worried about blowback. And we need to reinforce when they stand on the side of peace and justice. [ applause ] i think were coming to an important moment as well in that we realize that this is not a democrat or a republican issue. This is a purely American Issue first and foremost, and we have the highest gun death rate of any more developed country in the world, and we have more guns than people. And people realize and are beginning to realize more and more that considering the fact that we have more guns than people, if guns made us safer, i wouldnt be sitting here right now, plain and simple. And i think people are realizing that what this conversation really revolves around first and foremost is what is worth more, guns or our children. Whats the for you, you said something very important there about sort of gun violence and what the daily reality of it is. And i think theres a little bit of a mismatch. The things that get covered are the most gruesomely spectacular and the most sort of morbid sense shootings, like what happened at your school. Theres a grinding gun violence that happens across communities and where you have activists that you are referring to that have been working for years. There is also suicides that happen which are the leading cause of gun death. How do you think about opening the aperture . Because what ends up happening is the focus is on the individual Mass Shootings, and people say well, that person wouldnt have passed a background check. There is a broader conversation. Yeah, i think the broader conversation that we all have to realize is that for us to be successful in this movement, we need to create we dont just need to change congress. The only thing that ever really has changed congress or changed our country is when our culture changes. And i think with that we need to actually be talking about why there are these motivations for people to believe that violence is a resolution to our problems, why people feel that it is more american to pick up a gun because youre afraid of what you dont know than it is to actually explore what you dont know and have the courage to actually address that. Because i would personally argue that peace is patriotic, right . Loving your fellow americans is patriotic. And i think i think whats important to realize as well is that the plans that weve proposed not everyone agrees with whatsoever, but i think we have to ask ourselves what is the plan, you know . If we only pass universal background checks, great. But thats putting a bandaid on this massive dam that is about to break, right. And we need to rebuild the dam. Right. Its interesting you say that, because sometimes that very argument is used by opponents of gun safety measures, and not disingenuously but incorrectly saying this thing you want will only affect a little bit of this. And its true. We have a ton of guns. We have a culture that is a very violent culture in america. How do you and the movement think about that . I think it comes down to reckoning with our history, and our history of White Supremacy in the United States and the fact that we live in a post Genocidal Society oftentimes that was orchestrated by the United States government and that if we want to talk about Mass Shootings, we have to recognize the massive number of indigenous Mass Shootings that were initiated by the United States government. I think back to the battle of that were predominantly men, women and children that were slaughtered by the United States Government Back in the 19th century and how thats never discussed as a mass shooting and thats wrong because those people were not armed and we were stealing their land. I think it comes down to reckoning with the tough history and realizing that its okay if you recognize the actual history of the United States, its okay to hate that injustice that much of this country has been founded on and much of the oppression that this country was founded on. That doesnt mean you hate america because it means you love your fellow americans so much that you dont want to repeat the same mistakes weve made in the past. Thank you. Right. [ applause ] and with that i think we going back to what youre saying, specifically about whats not talked about in this, i think a major part of it is this major stigmatization of Mental Health. And what doesnt help that is when politicians go out and use Mental Health as a talking point when they dont want to say oh when theyre essentially racially profiling white mass shooters and saying oh, they werent a criminal. They werent a terrorist. They werent illegal. They were mentally ill. Oh, what could have possibly caused this. And thats not helpful at all, because if were only talking about Mental Health after someone picks up gun and does something horrible, were only stigmatizing it more. And we need people to realize that where the real courage has to lie in our conversation around Mental Health and what it really means to be a man, because men do are taken disproportionately by suicides, predominantly in rural and suburban areas is that the real strength of being a man comes from having the courage to actually talk about whats affecting you and not bottling it up in the first place. And reaching out for help. Can i ask you i want to ask you on that score. You have i think about you a lot. I think a lot of people think about you and your classmates a lot because we all watched you in the public limelight in the midst of trauma. How you doing . Yeah. Youre a freshman at harvard. Yeah. Thats great. How are things going . So theyre going pretty good. I get Mental Health for my ptsd. And im very open about having that and depression that i have as well. And i think thats part of like the courage that we need to have in these conversations is people that do have Mental Health issues such as ptsd or depression, if theyre comfortable with it, talk about it more. And especially for like young men, this has to be a generational change that starts with us and talking about our Mental Health in the first place. And on that topic, probably the best thing that has been the most therapeutic for me over the past you know, year and a half or so since the shooting is the amount of division that we saw after the shooting, but more specifically the conversations that ive had with people that dont agree with me and how much Common Ground that weve been able to find, especially with other, you know, young republicans. I have a couple of them that go to harvard or, you know, work in different areas with me that dont agree with me on everything, but we do find Common Ground on this issue oftentimes, and that something has to be done, such as background checks, and, you know, really the fact that if you need a license to go and by a car and need training to go and buy a car, you certainly should need a license and training to buy any weapon whatsoever. That is it. A majority and that those conversations is what makes me hopeful about the future of our country, because the real thing that we should be demanding from both Political Parties and our politicians is remembering who they actually work for, and thats us. Right . Yeah. Right, remembering that [ applause ]. Remembering and reminding democrats that passing universal background checks is great, but that is certainly not the last step. Its only the first. And we actually need a comprehensive plan. We need the Voting Rights act or the Civil Rights Act for peace in the United States. Thats a great vision. You can check out march for our lives which has the peace plan that you guys put out. David hogg, thank you so much. Really, thank you. Stick around. Well be right back. You wouldnt accept an incomplete job from any one else. Why accept it from your allergy pills . Flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills dont. Flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. Most pills only block one. Flonase. But super poligrip gives him a tight seal. Snacking can mean that pieces get stuck under mikes denture. To help block out food particles. So he can enjoy the game. Super poligrip. Sleep number 360 smart bed. St sale of the year on a can it help keep us asleep . Yes, it senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. The queen sleep number 360 c2 smart bed now only 899. Plus 0 interest for 24months on all beds. Ends sunday. I am royalty of racing, i am the twisting thundercloud. Raise your steins to the king of speed. Welcome back. Theres something ive really been wanting to talk about. If the democrats can take back power in 2020, what needs to be the number one priority . Here with me now to talk about that, the host of signal boost on siriusxm radio, msnbc political analyst zerlina maxwell. Also with me tonight the Senior Vice President for social justice at the new school, maya wily and president of Community Change Dorian Warren in low income communities across the country. Im somewhat obsessed with this. Ive been asking every candidate because candidates dont want to choose. They want to say everythings a priority. But if everything is a priority, then nothing is a priority. It is zero sum. There is going to be one big piece of legislation youre going to push on. I personally think it should be climate just because of where the climate is, but what youre looking at me like no. No, youre wrong, chris. Youre wrong, youre wrong. Okay, ill be really quick and succinct. We just celebrated the 125th labor day on monday. Happy labor day, everybody. This wont be surprise to you, labor law reform in my view should be the number one priority. Its a two fer. If you increase power for workers and bring democracy in the workplace, then workers will bargain for higher wages. This addresses inequality. Its Kitchen Table. But the second part of it is you actually build power. You build power especially for low income people, people struggling to make ends meet. Unions are one of the best sources of getting people out to vote. So youre building a Civic Institution at the same time youre addressing a key issue of inequality. We should note republicans do the opposite. Exactly. Which is when they take over a state house. Yep. Often the first thing they do is go after a union. Weve seen this happen in ohio and wisconsin. Of course the other issue there is if you do that, you dont do immigration. Immigration would be my number two. But only one thing has to be number one. Maya . I maybe shouldnt run for president because i cant pick one either. I think you should. But i am going to say Health Care Reform and specifically include in that prescription drugs. Biggest reason is because one of the things that democrats must do is make sure that every american feels the difference. And health care is still one of the biggest costs that American Families suffer under. We actually have a huge number of americans who thankfully are more insured but a lot more who are under insured, plus i work at a university. I see what the Health Care Cost does to the cost of tuition. So if we want to actually deal with peoples ability to send their kids to college, we also have to deal with Health Care Cost. I mean, my all of that is true, and from a just concrete thing democrats have been running on, prescription drugs, one thing i worry about from a political standpoint is just watching, like, we watched in 2008, health care became the priority because that debate, they passed the stimulus and then the first big thing they did was health care and that took a lot of Political Capital. The next thing they do is health care, and they fail and it takes a lot of Political Capital, and just a little worried about rerunning the script. But Climate Change doesnt take Political Capital . Thats exactly right. My point about it more is that you get one, you get like a budget of Political Capital up front that you have to sort of choose to spend. My answer is a little bit different and its more broad. You cant do everything. Youre not running for office. Im not doing everything, im doing anticorruption and public integrity. Elizabeth warren has a bill in the senate which she says would be her first priority. Shes one of five candidates still in the primary that have said this is going to be their priority. We need to overturn Citizens United and reform our democratic processes so that they actually are democratic. Part of the problem is, i think, you know, the david hogg generation, i feel like they understand this. They understand that the reason why they understand that structurally the reason why these bold reforms cannot happen is because the politicians that are in washington are bought and paid for by dark money corporate interests. That also connects with what dorian is saying. This is one of the big sort of choices. Even when youre talking about individual issues, theyre a meta choice, do you do things that structurally build power, right, so structural form about money and politics or a National Voting holiday, just the first bill, lets have election day off. Well give you a holiday or labor unions, all in the same category, you build power and then theres, like, your prescription drugs are lower, and thats a tough choice because its like, the immediate effect of the Kitchen Table at issue is always there. Its always beckoning. With all due respect to my big sister and i agree with health care, but liberals and progresses love policy and the other side loves power and we have to get ourselves in the mindset of understanding the rules of the game matter just as much as the policy. We change the rules of the game and empower more people of actual people power, we can win on any policy issue that we want. I agree with that. I did learn that when people start with all due respect my big sister. Absolutely. I think part of the thing thats artificial about the discussion is should be the leaders of power at the same time theres attention to policy but policy that really impacts the daily lives of americans, but i will say, because none of because this is something that doesnt require legislation, but if democrats take back the senate and hold on to the house and have the white house, judges because if we dont give thats also a great example of exactly the same. Part of the issue i think is that republicans, the republican domestic policy agenda, its cutting taxes, like thats it. And so they tend to focus on these structural power things because theres not a lot of things they want to do, other than regulatory roll backs and cut taxes. Democrats come into office every time with like, theyve got a bunch of policy they got to tick through, and so what you end up is that choice to go for the policy. And the importance of the judges is if you pass the legislation, you dont have conservative judges coming behind us tearing down all of our legislation. You can already see, lets say through some incredible act of political will and activism like theres a democratic president who passes a green new deal, a huge, you know, trillion dollars of investment, infrastructure, like is a Roberts Court going to sit there, cool a great new green deal. Right. So the one additional point ill make about Health Care Just on the point about because weavers of power are critical, but one of the things we forget is its a republican strategy to kill policy that will deliver to every day people through money. Yes. But health care is sucking so much money out of the economy, its impacting money for education, its impacting money that might be available for housing policy. These are also major things that we need in this country. Were up against it here but the last thing ill just say on this here is immigration reform. From a pure coalitional politics, when you survey the coalition, heres our coalition, what immigrant communities and immigrant adjacent communities have been put through by this administration, a lot of this can be undone through executive action. But i have watched that fight from Mccain Kennedy back in 2005, six and it doesnt get done and didnt get prioritized by barack obama, which is defensible, given the things he had to do, and to come in office and not turn around to the folks who have been with you all of those years while you have not provided some status to those 11, 12 million, that is very very tough. Thank you for saying that. Thank you. And so alena max zerlina maxwell, maya wiley, thank you. Well be right back. That was excellent. Thank you. We have much more when we come right back. I have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. Now, theres skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved. 90 clearer skin at 4 months. After just 2 doses. Skyrizi may increase your risk of infections. And lower your ability to fight them. Before treatment your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor if you have an infection. Or symptoms such as fevers,. Sweats, chills, muscle aches or coughs. Or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. I feel free to bare my skin. Visit skyrizi. Com. [ soft piano music playing ] mm, uh, what do you do for fun . Not this. Oh, what am i into . Mostly progressives name your price tool. Helps people find Coverage Options based on their budget. Flo has it, i want it, its a whole thing, and shes right there. Yeah, shes my ride. This dates lame. He has pics of you on his phone. Theyre very tasteful. Weve done this show in studio 6a three fridays in a row, and you know what, its been a lot of fun. I think well be back again. I want to thank everyone who came out here to 30 rock, and those who watched at home, all of the amazing crew that made it possible. That is all for this evening. Rachel maddow show starts right now. Good evening, rachel. That was spectacular. So good with the live audience. Its so good. Its so good. Well done, my friend. Well earned. Thank you. Thanks for joining us this hour, super happy to you here. I actually want to start with one matter of business that i want to attend to right off the bat. This is not about todays news. Its a thing i promised i would keep you apprised of. I want to do it right away. Because i am an Insane Person and because i forgot how absolutely impossible it is to write a book while having another job, i have a new book that is coming out in about three weeks. In 2012, i wrote a book called drift, the unmooring of American Military power. I am in retrospect super happy