Chris Hayes discusses the days top news. Posing as a romanian hacker. It is a good rule of thumb. It is a good rule of them, and you know, i think, you know, one way or another, they are looking at something serious about roger stone and that seems to be coming to a head. So they are using this collaterally to attack the investigation itself. You know, stone has said that he knows he is going it be or he thinks he is going to be indicted and he is preparing for it. He has had a falling out with nunberg, how do you think he is preparing himself for this . Well, he certainly doesnt seem worried but that is kind of within his m. O. But i mean, they are certainly closing in on him even with Kristin Davis testifying to the grand jury shortly after she was interviewed by mueller, i think, you know, clear indication that
they are looking to bring charges against him and similar to manafort, might be unrelated to russian hacking or collusion. And it cullould be something ins past and that is what Andrew Miller might know about. Davis and he are quite close. Sure. Was she around when you were filming the film . The film before the film if you will, we followed her before her run when she was running against eliot spitzer. The campaign fizzled out because she got ensnared . The fbi sting and was arrested for selling prescription drugs. And she didnt get out of prison until may of 2016. So her knowledge for working for
roger. Whereas Andrew Miller was brought back into the fold around the time of the rnc, with roger in cleveland and working for him the months after that are in question ben, one thing that is striking is you have mueller having referred some cases. A number of folks that work in d. C. That arent Paul Manafort to u. S. Attorneys. Referred out the Michael Cohen matter. This has not referred out. That is right and the reason for that is pretty clear which is if you look at the gru, the hacking indimctment, the link t roger stone is the collusion stuff. And the heart of the Mueller Investigation is the question of coordination between the russian interference in the 2016
election and anybody associated with the trump campaign. The person who is most clearly identified with that in the document itself is roger stone. And so i think this is the most public aspect we have other than the trump tower meeting of what is really the Heart And Soul of the Mueller Investigation and i keep coming back to the point how often he is in contact with Senior Campaign officials in the indictment of the russian officials. Great to have you both. Thanks so much. For more in the legal jeopardy. Joined by mimi rocah. Broad you are assault on the Mueller Investigation. Here is what he had to say. In order to appeal, judge howells decision, challenging, have to have a contempt order. This is a major precedent set in the case. Serious constitutional issues on the Appointment Clause. They already tried once with the District Court. They tried to say, filed saying he is not improperly appointed. Now they are trying to escalate. I think twice actually, i believe judge ellis. Every reason to think on appeal they are going to get the ruling by the judge will be affirmed. But you know, as ben said, this is the way to challenge it if they want to get it up on appeal. And you know, it is risky in the sense that if they lose that, he
has to then either go to the grand jury or go to jail. They dont have to, but the judge has every right to do that. I had many cases in the District Court where i was involved in usually organized crime cases where they didnt want to go to the grand jury because it is against their religion i guess. And they were put in jail. And you could be put in jail until you agree to testify or you know, i think there is a maximum of two years that you ar lou loued to be in jail. He says i dont know anything about collusion or obstruction, i dont know why they want to talk to me. But at the same time he says but if i do get forced to testify, i am going to take the fifth. This is kind of hail mary pass. Chris, on the off chance that this is successful, the whole Mueller Investigation is done. It is a wrap. This isnt only about roger miller, this is about Whether Mueller has the Constitutional Authority to do this investigation. Thats a great point. The argument they are making is an existential assault on muellers authority. Saying it is violation of the constitutional Appointment Clause to create this body. It is violation of the constitution. And it would probably go to the supreme court. It would get rid of the whole thing yes. It could be the straw that stroke the camels back or one of those saying. Bad for the Mueller Investigation. But again, we can go down that road. You think it is unlikely. Unlikely given this statute was written with concerns in mind about the Watergate Special counsel. So things written it like the main one being he has to report to the Deputy Attorney general. And so i think that you know, as the judge said in this case, these are good questions to raise, but no. Right. And i think that is where we are with this. I want to ask you about a surreal moment that happened today. Sean hannity has a radio show. And the president s attorneys took it over. Flynn is the example. No crime. If it had been said, the president said go easy on him. Which the president says he didnt say stop it, dont
do it. So no crime. However, it didnt take place according it the president. According to comey, it did. Of course if it did, it wouldnt have mattered. But you are right. Two recollection of a meeting. Have you ever in your life seen Something Like this . No. This is stunning. This act of what they did. They took over a radio show to make arguments on behalf of their client. They took calls. I think giuliani has been skirting the line and in my opinion, has now gone over the line of violating the rules of professional conduct as a lawyer. And i dont know the exact process of who or where that complaint gets filed. But i wouldnt be surprised if
somebody did. Chris, these guys i was going to say. This is a different proceeding. There is a trial going on now and going to be others and that is clearly what they are doing, Poison The Well of the American Public jury pool. And these guys, they dont need to be on tv. They need to be preparing him for whatever eventuality. He is running scared and that is related to the first part of the segment, roger stone. Act one was this indictment of the russians for hacking the email. And act two potentially is the indictment of roger stone. Act three is going to be dramatic if it happens. Well, and let me say this. They understand, giuliani has
said this. He views this as entirely a political proceeding and not a legal one. So he is doing something that is outside the bounds of legal procedure. He is saying that, he is a lawyer. He still needs to abide by the rules. Thank you for joining me. Testimony about manaforts action while serving in the trump campaign. That story in two minutes. Who doesnt love a deal . I do. Check out the new united Explorer Card. Saving on this saving on this saving in here. Rewarded learn more at theexplorercard. Com Keep It Comin love. If you keep on eating, well Keep It Comin. All you can eat riblets and tenders at applebees. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. Are you ready to take your then you need xfinity xfi. . A more powerful way to stay connected. It gives you super fast speeds for all your devices, provides the most Wifi Coverage for your home, and lets you control your network with the xfi app. Its the ultimate wifi experience. Xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. Today the Paul Manafort trial landed on the doors. Access the trumps team after he resigned to dangle possible jobs in the Trump Administration to a bank ceo over a month long process to get millions of dollars in bank loans. Dennis raico testified in court
under grant of immunity the bank ceo stephen calk. Bank ceo was hoping for Treasury Secretary or hud secretary or secretary of the army. Rick gates testified that he was trying to get him the job. Manafort got two different loans from that bank totaling 16 million. For more on todays testimony, joined by elie honig. Calk seems to be working with manafort and others. So that is the bank fraud charge. What is not charged but springs to mind could be bribery. Talking about this outrageous cabinet position. Delivering this enormous loan to manafort. Why did manafort take this job for no pay at a strange time. Just washed out of his ukrainian business. Manafort joins the campaign march 29, 2016. In may, they have dinner. He has dinner with the bank ceo. In july they video conference. August 3rd, manafort asks for calk resume. November 11 calk believes he might be up for job. No legitimate explanation. It ties together. And tells you a story as to why he would have come in as campaign manager. This trial has to do with manaforts activities largely before he enters trumps orbit. But here he is using that position in a corrupt way allegedly. Using his proximity of power. And it is the closest we have come to the Actual Administration in the campaign. And this is the key Turning Point in the time line. Living large, has his crazy wardrobe, his landscaping. His business goes busts and then lying to the bank because he has got to maintain this lifestyle. He outright lied, doctored
documents. One theme of the trump era is grifters grifting grifters. Everybody is lying. There is a book out which seems to be in that theme. You have Paul Manafort telling this dude that he is trying to roll for a loan. You might be up for secretary. We say, it is grifters grifting grifters. You cant flip, you cant get into a closed secretive criminal organization without some Grifter Walking you through it. So, you take a page right out of the Southern District closing play book. What i find amazing is manafort pulls off the grift. At the end of the day manafort
walk the out with 16 million and calk doesnt end up with a job. And compare it to gates. The defense is it was all gates. But look at the money. Manafort makes ten times what gates makes. Thank you for your time. Still to come, laura ingram afraid of massive demographic change. And a reform White Supremacist on how he broke away from the hate movement next. This is the ocean. Just listen. vo theres so much we want to show her. We needed a car that would last long enough to see it all. avo subaru outback. 98 are still on the road after 10 years. Come on mom, lets go avo right now, get 0 Apr Financing on the 2018 subaru outback. Directly to investors. And now we have zero account fees for brokerage accounts. At fidelity, those zeros really add up. Maybe ill win, Saved By Zero sharper vision, without limits. Days that go from sun up to sun down. A whole world in all its beauty. Three Innovative Technologies for our ultimate in vision, clarity, and protection. Together in a single lens. Essilor ultimate lens package. Purchase the Essilor Ultimate Lens Package and get a second pair of qualifying lenses free. Essilor. Better sight. Better life. You always get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed . Lets say it in a really low voice. Carl . Lowest price, guaranteed. Just stick with badda book. Badda boom. Book now at choicehotels. Com the new united Explorer Card hooks me up. Getting more for getting away. Traveling lighter. Getting settled. Rewarded learn more at theexplorercard. Com
it has been one year since White Supremacist gathered in charlottesville, virginia Chanting Jews will not replace us. To protest the proposed removal of the statue. Our own trymaine lee. What did you find . I really wanted to better understand the deep connections to these monument. I headed down south and we talked to folks in the community where these monuments exist. We learned a lot. If we learned everything at all, it was never about a monument at
all. Would you mind spelling your first and last name for us. First name gordon. Last name cotton. Just like you pick. Is it time for us to move forward . No. If we move forward on this, we will leave everything out of our history. Are we going to be selective if what we are going to keep and what we are going to forget. What about the idea that these men were fighting to maintain this system of slavery. They were fighting because our homes were invaded. And the whole thing based on money. Going back to charlottesville. Someone was killed, someone was shot at. Someone beaten up. Does it surprise you when somebody is that virulent in their support in robert e. Lee and the rest. They are not the ones that started. Had the people not wanted to tear down a beautiful monument it would not happened. Perhaps it could be moved to somewhere where it is respected. I disagree with you. It happened here. We commemorate it here. What do you think of Jefferson Davis . He is my hero. He was someone who supported the expansion of slavery. He wasnt the only one. I think growing up in this Community Seven miles from briarfield, going to a school name Jefferson Davis, they will never destroy the man. Stone ghosts. Much more on the State Of The Union 1 year after charlottesville after this. Making cars lighter, its a good place to start, advanced oils for those hardworking parts. Fuels that go further so drivers pump less. Improving efficiency is what we do best. Energy lives here. Improving efficiency is what we do best. The first survivor of alzis out there. Ase and the Alzheimers Association is going to make it happen. But we wont get there without you. Join the fight with the Alzheimers Association. But allstate actually helps you drive safely. With drivewise. It lets you know when you go too fast. And brake too hard. With feedback to help you drive safer. Giving you the power to actually lower your cost. Unfortunately, it cant do anything about that. Now that you know the truth. Are you in good hands . If yor crohns symptoms are holding you back, and your Current Treatment hasnt worked well enough, it may be time for a change. Ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohns. Entyvio works at the site of inflammation in the gi tract
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a documentary about his Journey Breaking Hate airs sunday on msnbc. My question to you is whether charlottesville was a kind of victory for that movement or a defeat. I think it was a victory because any sort of publicity they consider good for them. They go to progressive areas like charlottesville or even berkeley. They are trying to provoke people and we are still talking about it a year later. Unfortunately Heather Higher was killed because of that and they are threatening to come back. And done for decades. I used to do it years ago. We used to march and did this same exact thing. One of the thing that comes through is it is not an accident that those folks who are out in the streets in charlottesville,
continuity between the ideology between this is someone we should memorialize. It is ahistorical. It is hard to go anywhere in the south, their schools are named for robert e. Lee. The idea that you are fighting for virtue. Whether you want to keep the brown people across the border. You cant separate the roots of the trees from the leaves. You were from north. You were from chicago and got into this movement. And one of the people in the a. C. Thompson document was a
ucla grad School Working for northrop grumman. It is not about ideology. The Pre Radicalization starts early for that. It is about a search for identity, community and purpose. If we hit what i call potholes in our journey of life, sometimes it detours us. And there is a savvy Recruiter Waiting for a vulnerable people. We would stand outside of a Punk Rock Concert to do that. Today it is the internet that is that Punk Rock Concert. So many people online that can live there. Does It Help Recruiting to have a president of the United States who says, you know, there were blame on both sides. Right. Who, you know, uses all sorts of tropes of White Supremacy and
racist language and Behind The Scenes calls african countries shole countries. Does it help the movement . Absolutely. 30 years ago we recognized the language we were using was putting off the average american white racist. So we were going to massage the language. Go from boots to suits which david duke did in the early 90s. That is the m. O. They are trying to massage this and normalize it. And unfortunately it worked. And the president is absolutely enabling that. One of the things Heather Hyers mother and father living with the aftermath of White Supremacist. You memorialize in your reporting. I want to play this bit in the documentary. Where you talked to a woman
about her father who was lynched. Take a listen. When you think about what you missed not having him. My mom went from prosperity to poverty almost overnight. Sometimes i wonder what my life could have been had he lived. What my life could have been. Think being the mourning and trauma of those folks down through the years and in charlottesville right now as they prepare to commemorate this one year. You see the battle flag, you see the statues around every corner. But sending a clear message. To those misguided, those lost who are seeking identity and find their identity in their whiteness. It is actionable. Ultimately at the end of the day, it ends up being about racial terror. On the other side of it, so often from, we go from the lynch memorial in montgomery, alabama. And you see 4,000 names. The many more who have been dumped in shallow graves. Question about how to deal with what seems in White Supremacist, White National rhetoric. Channeled in less and less disguised fashion. Question about persuasion and arguing. Can you argue with this ideology or must you defeat it. How do you think about it. That is a question on everybodys mind right now. We can have these conversations without enabling the ideology. Without endorsing it when we do that. The work that i do is based on
empathy. So i sit across from White Supremacists almost every day or talk to them because my goal is try to enlighten them not through a debate in ideology, but through humanization. I try to destroy the demonization that is happening in their head by introducing them to the people they hate. And that is a powerful thing for people. Does that work . Absolutely it works. It has worked over 200 times. Helping people to disengage from hate groups. Every single one of them will tell you it is the compassion that they received from the people they thought that they hated. That changed their mind. Thank you. Breaking hate, is this sunday 9 00 p. M. Eastern. Two years ago she was forcefully removed from a trump
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kids. She is now poised to represent a district 57 africanamerican and occupies a seat previously held by The Civil Rights Icon john conyers who resigned last year amidst Sexual Harassment allegations. It was a really contested primary. You had this inspector. The way that he wont hanging over it. How did you win . I think i focused on the human contactingi. When you look at people in the face, in the eyes, on their porch. I think it changed peoples minds and hearts. They were able to engage me and see that i really do want to elevate them and help them thrive and i believe it is because of that aggressive center door to door. The district is 57
africanamerican. And amidst this africanamerican about diversity and representation, you find yourself in a position where you have your own interesting representational role. How do you think about it . I think about it because i grew up in a community predominantly africanamerican. It is so much in line with the needs and the priorities for my families in the 13th congressional district. I dont think it is so far that im not africanamerican. I can tell you that ill surround myself with a lot of people with that lens of growing up africanamerican. There is a lot of discussion around the connection and trauma sometimes. I recognize that and honor that. You have agendas or positions
that are similar to people more to the left. Abolish i. C. E. , medicare for all, tuition free college. What do you say to people, people like yourself are Feeding Republicans a kind of useful caricature of the terrifying socialists who are coming to scare away middle america. Were not scaring anybody away. Were like the mama bears of the delegation about to come. Its. True i dont think you will find any women, especially women of color, that doesnt want to take care of their constituency. Doesnt put them at the heart of what they perceive, as they move forward. Well be able to help every person live in a free, just society. I am excited with exposing who i am as not only a detroiter, a
democrat, a progressive, as a woman, to so many people across the country. Not just in the 13th congressional district. People should not be afraid us. We are an Incredible Breed and i cant wait to work with them. To get elected this coming tuesday. I want to walk hand in hand with these beautiful women that the heart that we need in congress. It is something completely missing in the culture. Right now president in the u. S. Congress. Do you think differentfully what your heart and job will be . The odds of you winning are overwhelming at this point, should you actually enter congress, which is likely, the difference between being a member and a minority member . I am a former Michigan State legislator. I worked in the majority and the
minority and i know this is bigger. If your work and the issues around your constituency, your district, if your center is them, then youll be able to be effective. I was able to do so much more in the minority in bringing resources back to my community. I had a Neighborhood Service center in the heart of my district and ill continue to do that in congress. It keeps me grounded and focussed and it help me bring resources to my families. So theyre not waiting. All the things that are really critical to work. On it are not me getting connected. That doesnt even imagine for the majority or minority. Thank you for spending some time with us. Thank you for having me. This is your friendly friday reminder. Our podcast, why is this happening, why not check out some of the episodes we already have on, from mass