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My exclusive interview with the Detention Center whistle blower when all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. The president s private Charitable Foundation was a legal slush fund used to further the president s own interests including his president ial campaign. That according to a lawsuit filed today by the new York Attorney general against the president and his three oldest children. Alleging the Trump Foundation engaged in persistently illegal conduct, a phrase that may stick around awhile, used by the president not to advance the public good but to settle business debts, decorate his hotel and help get him elected president. Testimony adds to a growing list of legal challenges is he facing one day before his former Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort he of two ankle bracelet will find out whether he will spend the rest of summer in jail though he will get to loss the ankle bracelets. And Michael Cohen is under investigationing for running another slush fund. That one was used apparently to take corporate money and pay off the president s alleged mistress. The complaint lays out new details about the Trump Foundation. Among them that its board has not met in 19 years, not a good look, that its official treasury was an employee of the president s private business who did not even know he was on the board, also not a good look. According to the complaint, the foundation coordinated illegally with the Trump Campaign on a fundraiser for veterans in 2016 days before the Iowa Caucuses where the candidate announced a donation of his own. Donald trump another great builder in new york now a politician, i cant stand this, a politician i dont want to be called a politician, all talk, no action. I refuse to be called a politician. Donald trump gave 1 million. Okay . 1 million. Four months later after calling around to dozens of Veterans Charities David Farenthold could not find a single one that received money from trump. It wasnt till he and other reporters started asking questions the president finally wrote a collect. I will say that the press should be ashamed of themselves. I send people collection of a lot of money. Well give you the names which is what you want. Instead of being like thank you very much mr. Trump or trump did a good job, everyone said who got it, who got it. And you make me look very bad. Again, he didnt write the checks until like the day before he held that event. Farentholds reporting on the Trump Foundation which won him the Pulitzer Prize forms the basis of the lawsuit. There was a time the president had to settle with the town ever town of palm beach agreeing to make a 100,000 donation. He paid it from the foundation and not by accident. In the complaint, theres a note in the president s own handwriting ordering the foundation to pay 100,000 to the Fisher House Foundation in parentheses, settlement of flag issue in palm beach. There was the time he used 10,000 to bid on a portrait of dot last spotted hanging on the wall in the restaurant of one of his golf clubs, one of the items he bought including a football helmet sign bid tim tebow, another trump president costing 20,000. He managed to use other peoples money to fund those endeavors. According to the complaint, he hasnt given a single solitary cent of his own since 2008. Now, think about this. All of this what weve seen today in the complaint amounts to a tiny glimpse of the flagrant improprieties lurking in the president s secret financial operations. You cant help but wonder what we would find out from say his tax returns. Joining me David Farenthold whose reporting on the Trump Foundation led to this lawsuit. David, one thing that was striking about the complaint is you had reporting that sort of put a plus b together, the complaint provides some primary sources that make it very clear what was going on. Thats whats so gratify pchk there were things i suspected how this all went down and because the attorney general has subpoena power and i dont, they learned a lot of things from inside the Trump Campaign inside the Trump Organization that showed how these things happened, now trump used money from the foundation, money from the charity to pay off his business objections and how he used the foundation as kind of a prop and tool for his president ial campaign. Youve got Corey Lewandowski directing disbursements from the foundation as theyre campaigning through iowa. Thats right. Theres sort of a key bedrock part of charity law in the u. S. Is that nonprofits charities cant use their money to help political campaigns. You cant do that. What turns out to have happened in this case was the Trump Foundation this tax exempt nonprofit was sort of coopted by the Trump Campaign used by the campaign to give away money at trump rallies and the Trump Campaign beak chose when and where and how and who and how much to give this money away. Thats on its face illegal. Its not for me to say. The attorney general said its illegal. The other thing, this was something that your reporting showed was using the foundation essentially as a means of paying off things for the president himself, you know, settling a legal settlement. Is that proper . Yes, it is. What trump never seed to grasp and even today in his defense he doesnt seem to grasp, he thinks that the only rule that applies to his charity as long as hes giving money to another charity it has to be okay. There can be nothing wrong with that. Right. Thats not the way it works. Thats not the way the law works. If it did, we would all create charities, people would use their own charitys money to pay for private school tuitions. Thats an example of why you cant give money to a nonprofit and assume its okay. In this case, trump made his businesses have obligations where to settle legal disputes they had committed to pay money to a charity and make a charitable donation in lieu of a legal settlement with the town of palm beach. Trump took money out of his foundation theoretically an independent nonprofit and meant to serve its own goals for the public, money out of that foundation and paid the chairs his businesses now owed money to. You won a Pulitzer Prize for your reporting in 2016 and you were calling people up plus you have public filings. Theres some stuff the foundations have to make accessible. Youre now working on trying to zero in on the president s personal financial empire. You wrote this great piece how he shifted to cash from debt. Its very unexplained. A string thing to do if youre running a real estate enterprise. Compare the opacity of the foundation to what youre working on now. The foundation was hard but its much, much easier than this for the reason two reasons, one the tax exempt foundations like the Trump Foundation have to file a public annual filing with the irs. In this case with the new york state regulate percent. We dont have his personal tax returns, we dont have his business tax records. We did for his charity. That gave me a map who to call. The people he was doing business with, the people he was donating money to with his charity, they were nonprofits who would call me back. Trying to understand whats going on with his business the records are nonpublic and a lot more Business Partners have more incentive to be secret about it. Its very interesting, but its a lot harder. This would what i would imagine. Thanks for your great reporting. Stay at it. Thank you. For more what this tells us about the inner workings of trump world, im joined by elie mystal and Josh Marshall plusher of talking points memo. My big take away, when you see the documents in front of you, its the grag flagrant aggressive lawlessness of way he conducts himself and his personal business anytime we get a glimpse of it. Trump and his family act like rules are just guidelines and guidelines are just yelp reviews. He has no understanding of like how the rules work and how the laws work and they dont think they can be held accountable to any of them. So far theyve gotten away with it. Josh, this is a guy who has conducted himself this way for 30 years in public life and hes been through bankruptcies and settled lawsuits and slapped on the wrist by the new jersey gaming authority. Hes the president of the United States. Heres the complaint from the ag. Theyll figure out a way to set that will. The ag may not want to settle this one. He may find a big surprise there. Youre right. They, theres those legends about kids raised by wolf whos hadnt had human an cult ration. The trump family dont know about the law. Something congenital. They dont note about not breaking the law. Its the frame you have is exactly right. I mean, there are best practices for how to be a corrupt politician or a corrupt businessman. You dont put this stuff in emails. You tell and say hey, move the money over there. The theyre pushing back now. Have you his Campaign Manager assigning the donations. Email Corey Lewandowski in iowa. You cant do that. Theres no question. The Settlement Point is important, as well. I want to give a shoutout to the ag, barbara underwood. She is one the who brought this particular suit and who replaced eric schneiderman. Lets all understand that no abusive man is indispensable. There are good people. Great point. Who can do the job. Just took the file and said okay, peace. Put all your stuff in a box to the left, im going to get down to work. Number two, underwooded is an actual prosecutor not just trying to use being the ag to become the governor. When trump says oh, i will not settle this. No problem. We aint asking you to settle this. She sees a crime that an she sees violation. A civil violationing. That has happened and she wants those people to pay for their misdeeds. This is the question also. I mean, look, we got weve got a little window into michael copes little financial world because a whistleblower starred sending out his suspicious activity reports and from that tiny keyhole, what did we see . Hes getting 100,000 payments na r that from major corporations from a Russian Oligarch firm into there llc paying slush funds. Thats one keyhole. Another over here, the Trump Foundation which theyre flagrantly violating the law. You cant help but wonder what is in the black box of that tax returns. I think we know. Thats actually better said. Every time we get a look its like take the craziest antitrump person on twitter and take their fantasies what youre going to find and whats what you do find. Well, said. Who would have thought like you know Michael Cohen was actually getting half a million from a Russian Oligarch and also another million from a big corporation, like wow. Like that seems like a little improbable. Yet it totally happened. The reason it seems improbable is that were used to a certain an culture ration around compliance or hiding things from the law. Theres best practices for being criminal. For being corrupt, a wing wink nudge nudge that is missing in the documentary evidence. Not going to matter to his base. Trump is going to say no crime, no collusion. Thats that. If theres one thing i want the democrats to pass if they happen to take back the house, i want them to pass a law saying if you run for president , you have to release your taxes, not optional. Not like if you feel like it. You have to actually do that. I think i think theres very few things of a greater importance nationally in terms of accountability for this president and also knowing like making sure hes not being bribed currently. Than that right now. Extorting, bribed. Theres a million reasons every time that we get any glimpse of this mans financial life, it raises a million red flags. Yeah. And again, usually we think with normal president s, we think about there might be an appearance problems. But here, it really seems like its like a bustout with like the mob or something. Lets do as many deals as we can as long as we have this white house thing. It is very reasonable to think based on the evidence that the trump family is currently using the presidency to max out profits. And thats that is something so aggressive and egregious its mainly outside of what were normally worried about which is like okay, youre dealing with like Energy Policy and you own some shell stock, stuff liking that. Thats a reasonable thing to suspect. Theres only way to know for sure which is to see the financial records. Thanks for joining me. Coming up Hillary Clintons Campaign Chairman said james comey helped blow the election tore his candidate. John podesta joins me to react to the igs report from the department of justice. You dont want to miss that. Two minutes. Ahh. Summer is coming. And its time to get outside. Pack in even more adventure with audible. With the Largest Selection of audiobooks. Audible lets you follow plot twists off the beaten track. Or discover magic when you hit the open road. With the free audible app, your stories go wherever you do. And for just 14. 95 a month you get a credit, good for any audiobook. If you dont like it exchange it any time. No questions asked. You can also roll your credits to the next month if you dont use them. So take audible with you this summer. On the road. On the trail. Or to the beach. Start a 30day trial and your first audiobook is free. Cancel anytime, and your books are yours to keep forever. No matter where you go this summer make it better with audible. Text summer17 to 500500 to start listening today. Today was the day on the president s birthday the Justice Department Inspector General releasing its much anticipated report on james comey and the fbi. And the primary take by the way, listen closely, was something that has been fairly clear for a while. It is this. The fbi under james comey helped tip the u. S. President ial election to be donald trump. It hurt Hillary Clinton. And it is a very six story. In a move that the Inspector General himself after months of studying and filing his report flatly criticizes as insubordinate, james comey broke with Justice Department policy and held a high Profile Press conference about the fbi investigation into Hillary Clinton a move that played directly into trumps portrayal of clinton as a criminal and reckless and then just ten days before the election, comey announced he was reopening the clinton investigation. That decision, the ig today called a serious error of judgment. As this was happening, lets remember, the fbi was also simultaneously also investigating donald trump and his campaign. For a far more serious potential crime. Not improper use of email, not mishandling of classified information but collusion with a hostile Foreign Government engaged in a crime during the campaign and yet, comey and the fbi were utterly silent about the trump investigation even as they repeatedly dragged clintons name through the mud. Joining me now for reaction to the report is the man who chaired clintons 2016 president ial Campaign John podesta, founder and director of the center for american progress. Your reaction to the report. You almost you summed up i think the outrage i think that people feel. But i think whats what you pointed towards is the heart of this which was that there was a double standard at the fbi that mr. Comey made egregious errors of judgment in handling the clinton email case by First Holding that press conference in july and then most importantly and i think most harpfully to our campaign releasing that letter publicly against policy, against practice. It was condemned at the time bibi partisan leaders of the Justice Department from the bush and other administrations going back not just democrats but republicans, as well who had served in senior positions. And it definitely it hurt her campaign and i think it gave donald trump the white house. But what there report says is something i think weve known for 18 months which is that a double standard was applied. They had a totally different view about how to manage the Russian Investigation. They kept that completely under wraps. They even through reporters who were on the scent of the Russian Investigation off in the opposite direction famously with the new york times. So you know, thats whats so explicable. I want to read you on in that, this is a comey email to brannan discussing whether they should make a unified Public Statement from the ic about the attacks. The attacks happening from russia. This is comey. I could be wrong and frequently ambu americans already know the russians are monkeying around on behalf of one candidate. This is him saying its already too late. Our confirming begs difficulties questions how we know that and what we were going to do about it and exposes us to serious accusations of lauxing our own october surprise which is untrue but a reality from our atmosphere. This is several weeks before he announces the reopening of the investigation. Whats your reaction . He refused to sign onto the letter released on october 7th that was signed by James Clapper and jeh johnson the director of Homeland Security talking about the active measures that the russian were undertaking to interfere with the election. Subsequent to the election, we know that the Intelligence Community concluded they were doing that explicitly at the direction of president putin and to help donald trump. And he refused to sign on it because he said it would involve him in politics. Yet, somehow that didnt cause him to take a gulp before sending a letter to the hill reopening an the clinton email investigation and then a week later saying never mind, we look add it, theres nothing there. Its you know, its a historic error of judgment. And in my view, the countrys paying a huge price for that error. Lets pretend for a moment im your therapist. How does this make you feel . Like honestly, i wonder what goes through your head and for Hillary Clintons head and in your heart when you read this . Well, look, you know, you cant but be angry all over again. But you know, ive tried to stop being angry because you know, the theres a offense sort of daily that usually starts with a morning tweet and just try to do what we can to get the country back on the right direction and most importantly, to have a positive outcome in the 2018 election. So that theres some check on the abuses of power that are going on right now in the white house. Now, we should be clear here that there are texts in there from one of the investigators peter strzok that do seem quite hostile to donald trump. We can stop him at one point he says. Hes exchanging a lot of texts with a woman hes havinging an fair with talking how they dont like donald trump, think poorly of him. The conclusion of the ig is that that bias didnt end up playing out in the actual commissions of acts in the fbi. The big question is, do you trust the integrity of this report from the ig and do you trust the current integrity of the fbi . Mr. Horowitz has a good reputation. Its a very thorough report. You know, mr. Strzoks been kind of sent off to the equivalent in the fbi of siberia. Miss page has left the fbi. You know, i think they made errors of judgment in doing those tweets. My guess is maybe mr. Wray was talking about mr. Strzok when he said were going to review the report and think about further disciplinary actions. As you noted, the ig also concluded that a, they were even more aggressive than some of the other fbi agents and prosecutors in pursuing the clinton email case and that they did nothing, they took no actioning that the ig could find that in any way influenced the conduct of this investigation or when went after mr. Trump. The president will say theres a deep state conspiracy proven by one email and you know, i think they were again, it was unfortunate but they were like a lot of other people in america saying oh, my god, we cant let this happen. Thanks for being with me tonight. Thanks, chris. My interview with a former staffer of a child Detention Center holding it kids as young as 4 years old to get a rare account of what he describes as prisonlike conditions. He joins me next. Dont you have any empathy, come on, sarah, youre a parent. Dont have you any empathy for what these people are going through. Brian, gosh. Settle down. Seriously. Seriously. Im trying to be serious but im not going to have you yell out of turn. They have these people have nothing. Brad, i know you want to get more tv time. Its not about that. Its about you answering the question, sarah. Go ahead, jill. Answer the question. Its a serious question. These people have nothing. They come to the boarder with nothing. And you throw children in cages. Youre a parent. Youre a parent of young children. Dont you have any empathy for what they go through. Jill, go ahead. The moral crisis of the Trump Administrations policy of separating immigrant families is boiling over. The administration has chosen to tear children away from their parents and no one, no one is willing to take ownership for that. For what theyre doing. Today, all in got an exclusive snapshot of what its like to be one of those parents desperately searching for their children. A tipster sent sus information immigrants are given whether he chair children are ripped away from them. They apparently hand aid piece of paper with the following text in both flish and spanish. You have been charged with the crime of illegal entry into the United States in violation of law. Within the next 48 hours you will be presented before a judge for having violate this had law. While this process is occurring your child or children will be transferred to the United States department of health and Human Services office of Refugee Resettlement. The office of Refugee Resettlement is responsible for providing care for children that have been pratted from a parent. For assistance in locating your child or children, you may contact the office of Refugee Resettlement for information about your immigration case or the process with reunifying with your child or children contact immigration or customs enforcement. This afternoon we called the number on the card. Imagine yourself as a parent in detention with no access to phone but you get access and you call this, the number youre supposed to call to find your child that has been taken away from you and you hear this. Au calls are recorded for Quality Assurance purposes. [ speaking Foreign Language ] thank you for calling the detention reporting and information line at immigration and custom support center i. C. E. To continue in english, press one. Thank you for calling the i. C. E. Detention reporting and information line. Information you provide during this call may be transcribe and retained in our call logs. This includes name, addresses, phone numbers, other personal identifiers, vehicle information, and information criminal and immigration history. Additionally i. C. E. Uses caller i. D. To identify your phone number and may record your phone number if it is available through caller i. D. I. C. E. May disclose the information collected during this call within the department of home land security or externalally as appropriate and consistent with federal law and policy. Providing information during this call is completely voluntary. However, failure to provide information we request play limit our ability to assist you. If are in i. C. E. Custody, press one. All other callers please press two. Thats the message you gets. In other words, if you want to get your kid back, call a number that will use anything you tell them to build the case to possibly deport you. There are more stories coming out what its like inside the facilities. Today the l. A. Times published the account of one worker at a facility in tucson who described a strained and understaffed environment for children. That whistleblower joins me right now. Antar davidson. Can you tell me how many kids were in there and what their ages were . Sure, thanks for having me on the show. I resigned as of tuesday as a conscience us on thor to what was happening there. I no longer work there. Basically the kids were ranging between 280 to 300 kids aged from 4 to 17. However, there have been adults that posed as adds lessens and they were caught and they were as old as 26. 4 to 17. I want to focus in on the transition period the change after whats called the zero tolerance policy or family separation starts happening in the last few months. What change do you see in a facility designed for unaccompanied minors now getting children being taken from their parents. What did you see change there . Yep, you see basically a facility set up for a more transient population that is extremely strained already. Then have to deal with a much more traumatized population that has no clue whats going on, the laws are changing every day. And as such, seeing as their kids some as young as 5, theyre extremely traumatized by this and act up. The kids were really there were more kids coming. And they were more and more traumatized and harder to deal with, leading to a harder more authoritarian approach by the staff in attempting to deal with them. Youre saying what were the signs of trauma from the young kids, kids 5, 6, 7 just pulled away from their parents and put in your facility. How are they man testing that . So just a little bit of background, until the zero tolerance policy, the majority of kids that came were from guatemala. This policy had been in place for four to five years. They kind of new the drill. They knew when they get to the border, they talk to a Border Patrol agent that would put them in a facility, they would can up to about three months and reunified with papers and put into Public School on their destination. The kids that had come up till the zero tolerance policy, the majority were kids that knew what was going to happen and knew what they were getting into. After that, when the zero tolerance policy happened, basically it wasnt these people that knew the drill. They were kids and kids you know, up to 17 that were actually ripped from their parents and had no idea what was going on. In the case that really broke the camels back for me, these were brazilian kids. There was no one speaking to hem in portuguese. So they hardly even understood and they didnt it was not even explained to them well either. Is there are there iffing you have a foster care system, the state will have some usually, its usually insufficient but some Mental Health care for kids particularly coming out of trauma. There will be social workers or therapists to work with those. Are there Mental Health Services Provided for kids who have seen their parents ripped away from them. Sure, they do eventually get a clinician. It seems takes a few days. I was the first person first person to speak portuguese. The issue with the seven brazilian kids, they do have a clinician but they doesnt use their language. They werent understanding the clinician part or their case manager part. Each kid is assigned clinicians. However, that department in southwest key is very understaffed. They were offering bonuses between 2,000 and 3,000 for like successful hiring of a clinician or a case manager because the turnover was so high in those departments. Final question. Whether he youre talking about 4 or 5yearolds, thats a very young kid. Thats not a kid you got a 13, 14, 15yearold you can go to the dorm, wake up in the morning. 4 or 5yearold, you have to manage that kid more closely. Are there enough adults and are they trained to be looking after a 4yearold . Into not at all. We received one week of training. And now these kids are extremely traumatized and put to bed at the end of the shift that ends at 9 30. As much as the children are suffering, the workers are suffering. Theyre kept in temporary positions and meanwhile, the ceo and his wife clear more than a Million Dollars a year in mostly federal tax money and undercut the services. Its a basic private prison pod del in the guise of this shelter. So the people at the end of the day when they have to put the kids to sleep have already worked an eighthour shift are oftentimes asked to stayover time and exhausted. On top of that, these kids are running up and down the halls screaming, crying for their mom, throwing claires and everyone its a tired undertrained staff dealing with an increasingly traumatized and uncome compliant population of minors. I should note weve incited the ceo of southwest key onto the show. Antar davidson, appreciate the inside view. Of that you very much. With me now democrat barbara botcher from california. What watching this as someone who worked on immigration policy in your years in the senate, has dealt with shepherding legislation on this whats your response to this . I can barely express it. And so im going to be very direct. I want to thank mr. Davidson for becoming a whistleblower and letting us know whats happening, but you know, i dont care if youre a democrat or republican, or decline to state whether you vote, you dont vote. There are certain things that we have to cherish. The first thing are children. And what is happening here is a sin against god. I believe that. And thats why we are seeing now finally you know some fundamentalist groups come out who have been loyal donald Trump Supporters they dont care about his private life. But this is brought about by Trump Administration, this is new, you do not, do not tear minor children away from their parents. What you should do is have a surge of immigration lawyers and judges come down there and listen to these asylum cases and if they have a leg to stand on, grant them asylum and if they dont, keep them together, send them back. But what they are doing now is inhumane. And it is a sin. In my view. Your long time colleague in california Dianne Feinstein has a bill that would end this. If im not mistake, theres not a single republican signed on to that yet. I know you worked 0 legislation with republican senators across the aisle. Does that surprise you . I think that the republicans may have their own bill. Im not sure. I had heard something about. That makes sense. Cornyn may have his own bill. Be that as it may, they should come together. We should solve this. There should be immediate hearings in there congress. Paul ryan who has always set himself up as a great dad, im sure he is a great dad, and if someone tried to rip his kid out of his arms. Thats right. He would knock them cold. So lets be clear here. You know, ive studied the basic tenets of the greatest religions in the world just to get an idea and where they alltom koth regardless of what they are is, you treat others the way you want to be treated yourself. And they each say it in beautiful ways. This is a case in point that every single senator and yes, i served with so many over time, they should come together. I dont care if its dianes bill, im so proud of her for having it, or cornyns bill, whose of bill it is, lets take care of this. Why is it that your station you know, is the one that gets a reporter in, you know, and its the job of the congress to do oversight. I would be just calling for oversight 24 7. You raise a good point. We should have hearings about there next week or as soon as congress reconvenes. Im not sure when, they dont work that much. I appreciate your insights. Well be right back. Thank you. It was always our singular focus, a distinct determination. To do whatever it takes, use every possible resource. To fight cancer. And never lose sight of the patients were fighting for. Our Cancer Treatment specialists share the same vision. Experts from all over the world, working closely together to deliver truly personalized cancer care. 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And youll also get this free beneficiary planner. And its yours just for calling. So call now. It has been an incredibly bizarre spectacle. The president of the United States just praising the dictator kim jongun, a man who has executed hundreds of people including members of his own family, some on foreign soil, a man who imprisoned up to 120,000 people in gulags where many are tortured, starved and raped. He is a killer. Hes clearly executing people. Hes a tough guy. Hey, when you take over a tough country, tough people and you take it over from your father, i dont care who you are, what you are, how much of an advantage you have, if you can do that at 27 years old, i mean, thats one in 10,000 that could do that. So hes a very smart guy. Hes a great negotiator. But i think we understand each other. But hes still done some really bad things. Yeah, but so have a lot of other people done some really bad things. I could go through a lot of nation whereas a lot of bad things were done. A lot of other people have done some really bad things. Trump claimed in that interview that the parents of americans killed in the korean war personally asked him on the campaign trail to bring back their childrens remains which seems United Nations likely considering active fighting in the than 60 years ago, which would mean any parents of soldiers killed in that war would be more than 100 years old now. So it sure seems like the president is making up stories about gold star families for his own political purposes. That pales in comparison to the video made for the propaganda purposes of kim jong un, which is running on state tv inside north korea right now. Thats the president of the United States saluting an enemy general. Saluting a north korean general, to the delight of kim jong un. Now, i am sure that this was just a momentary gesture of common courtesy and not something for everyone to get all worked up about. And i am sure donald trump would agree with me if, say, barack obama had done this. A big concern for democrats heading into novembers midterm elections is the number of Democratic Senators up for reelection in states that donald trump won in 2016. Ten states in total. Democratic incumbents are particularly vulnerable in indiana, missouri, montana, north dakota, and west virginia, states that trump won by big margins. And then theres ohio. Its a state that trump won by eight points but where twoterm democratic incumbent senator Sherrod Brown is up 17 and 16 points respectively in two new polls. With me now senator Sherrod Brown, democrat from ohio. Good to be back. Thanks. I saw an ad of yours that you cut which was about sort of tariffs and trade. The president looks like hes going to approve tariffs of about 50 billion on chinese goods. Theres a lot of mixed feelings about the president s trade policy right now and the tariffs particularly. Where are you on the tariffs . Well, i support them. My whole career has been about fighting for workers. And you look at whats happened with these trade policies, what its done to mansfield, ohio and youngstown and cleveland and dayton and everywhere, where the Business Plan for hundreds of tens of thousands of businesses have been you shut down production in tlooed or chill kothee, ohio and cash in on a tax break and move it to beijing. Tariffs are a tool, only a tool. Theyre not a trade policy. But theyre a temporary tool to begin to change that policy. Do you support the ones against canada . I dont. It depends on which day. The president has changed you senator Sherrod Brown dont support slapping tariffs on canada for National Security reasons . Correct. I support i mean, the president has first hes been all over the board. When he r08d it out it was supposed to be aimed at china. It was supposed to be consistent in what he did. He called it a trade war. Its not a trade war. Its a tool. I want to see it consistent. We know they need to be temporary. Thats how you do tariffs, to get as part of a policy, as part of a trade tool to get to a better policy. I dont like it that hes aimed much of this from the g7 discussions, or really wasnt a discussion, was it, with trudeau, and europe. Thats not the way you do this trade policy. The violations of trade law have been what the chinese have done including legislation im working on, china investing in the u. S. And in many cases those investments could undercut american jobs. We need a test, if you will, of chinese investments here that ultimately leads to american jobs, not more profits for chineseowned companies. Ive been to ohio. I dont know it as well as you do. You represent the state. But youve got farmers in ohio that export products to china. Youve got manufacturers that buy steel from other places. Right . Theres two sides of the ledger, right . Youve got the factories in mansfield, steel that you want to help, but if you start getting tariffs on exported soy and things like that thats going to hurt some folks in your state. 20 years ago during the pntr debates with china the number that we arrived at, there were about 100 million unemployed Chinese Workers and no authoritarian or democratic government wants a bunch wants millions of young men running around the countryside unemployed. So china puts them to work, by substance dyeding their energy and their land and their capital. In many cases theyre government owned enterprises. And they break trade law day after day after day. They will work their way up the supply chain in steel and aluminum today. Then its autos. Then they work their way up the supply chain by subsidizing those and investing in the u. S. And were in a worse place. Thats why you use these tariffs now. We do them selectively. We do them in ways that retaliation is minimized and they are more temporary. But thats not the way the president s laid them out. Thats my concern. I talked this week at length with a u. S. Trade rep from my wifes hometown of ashtabula, ohio. Weve got a lot to do do this right. Its been done generally in the right direction but not as well as it should be. Theres a Big Supreme Court case regarding your state that upheld the ability to purge voter rolls. I know this is something close to your heart. You were secretary of state in ohio back when you were quite young wp was that correctly decided, that Supreme Court case . No. Its terrible. When i was secretary of state i convinced the Mcdonalds Corporation to print a million tray liners so when you go to mcdonalds they put a piece of paper in as your tray liner and you can register to vote on that tray liner and you can go to the board of directions and find ketchupstained registration forms i imagine still. But weve seen this secretary of state and more than that weve seen nationally republicans go after voting rights, whether its eliminate sunday vote, whether its restricting more absentee voting, whether its redistricting of course, and whether its these voter purges. Ohios may have been the worst in the country. We now, the president not only that case that was wrongly decided. The president of the United States has just selected two appellate judges. Nominees to the preexisting condition ruling. Were fighting on this ruling because i know that if the rulings like this stand its one more move, one more piece that republicans are going to continue to go after to suppress the vote. They won elections by suppressing the vote nm cases. In close elections if they can keep one or two percent of the people from voting it makes all the difference in the world. Final question i think i know the answer are you supporting legislation from Dianne Feinstein to end the practice of yes. I havent signed on yet, i want to understand it better. But we just had watching your piece on mr. Davidson and then senator boxer, its just incredible. The phone call that you made, that your staff made just breaks your heart. In sandusky, ohio there was one of the biggest raids ever where children were separated from parents. Its the most meanspirited, awful thing ive ever seen from my government, and we should all be ashamed and we should all fight back. I talked to somebody from bread for the world, a religiousbased food Advocacy Group and the work theyre doing to fight back in sandusky and all over the country is so, so important to tell these stories, and you contributed a lot to that tonight to that. Senator Sherrod Brown of ohio. Good to see you. Good to be back. Before i go i want to make sure everyone checks out the new episode of our podcast why is this happening with special guest amy chua. He with talk about the idea of tribalism within politics. Tonight james comey is called out for insubordination in his handling of the clinton email investigation. But the doj Inspector General also found no political bias in the fbis conclusion. Plus legal trouble for the president as his home state attorney general files a lawsuit against the Trump Foundation. And now the president s vowing not to settle the case. And could this possibly be Paul Manaforts last night of freedom . Hes due in Court Tomorrow on a witness tampering charge and could have his bail revoked. The 11th hour on a thursday night begins now. Well, good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. Day 511 of the Trump Administration brings something the president and his allies have been clamoring for, and that is the report from the Justice Departments own