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The weekend about wanting to rescue zte . When all in starts right now. China is ripping us. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. If there is one rule that donald trump seems to be following as president , it is this. If barack obama did it, then im doing the opposite. And this is where that led today, an opulent celebration in jerusalem to celebrate trumps decision to move the u. S. Embassy from tel aviv while just 40 miles away Israeli Soldiers shot and killed dozens of palestinians as they protested the embassy move and israel. Trumps decision to move the embassy and recognize jerusalem as israels capital reverses decades of American Foreign policy designed to maintain the fragile prospects for middle east peace. It is a major victory for israels right wing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who triumphantly hailed what he called a glorious day as Israeli Forces opened fire on tens of thousands of palestinian protesters, leaving at least 58 people dead, several of them teenagers, as well as more than 2700 wounded, according to gazas health ministry. Among those celebrating the embassy in jerusalem were gop mega donor sheldon adelson, who just donated 30,000 to reelect House Republicans and well as ivanka trump and her husband Jared Kushner who despite lacking any security clearance or any significant expertise or experience is ostensibly at least leading the United States efforts to reach middle east peace. Today kushner blamed the palestinians for, quote, provoking violence. As we have seen from the protests of the last month and even today, those provoking violence are part of the problem and not part of the solution. White house went even further today, absolving israel of any blame for the deaths of palestinians at the hands of Israeli Defense forces. We believe that hamas is responsible for what is going on. So there is no responsibility beyond that on israeli authorities . Kill at will . What im saying is we believe that hamas as an organization is engaged in cynical action leading to these deaths. Trump hasnt exactly been laser focused on the massive geopolitical and security as well as moral issues that play in his decision to move the embassy, at least in public, opting instead to focus on building costs. He said sir, were building an embassy in jerusalem, sir. I said how much . Something other president s dont ask, but thats okay. They said, i kid you not, they said, sir, 1 billion. I said a billion . You know what a billion dollars is . The embassy move comes on the heels of trumps decision to pull out of the Iran Nuclear Deal and the head of a high stakes summit with north Korean Leader kim jongun. Yesterdays trumps adviser john bolton said when it comes to that summit in singapore with the north Korean Leader, the president will be trusting his gut. I think one vacation of having this meeting between President Trump and kim jongun so soon in effect without months and months and months of preparation is that President Trump will be able to size kim jongun up and see whether the commitment is real. For more now on the consequences of trumps recent Foreign Policy decisions, steve schmidt. Do you trust, steve, that the president and his staff have thought through what theyre doing as theyre now juggling three incredibly difficult issues north korea, iran, and israel, as we saw today . Of course not, chris. Its all about u. S. Domestic politics. Everything we will see donald trump do from now until the mid terms to try to stave off a disastrous Midterm Election defeat is trying to intensify support in his base through policies of incitement. So when we saw the two theocratic nut job preachers at the crossroads of civilization and religion be able to antagonize judaism, catholicism, islam, and mormonism, all in the same day because of their previous bigoted pronouncements, their extreme ideology, this is not about making the middle east more secure. Its not about making the United States more secure. Its not about making sure that we dont have yet another generation of American Kids dying in middle eastern wars, its all about donald trump being able to score a point, ephemeral though it may be in the news cycle, and to position himself for the Midterm Elections. Its clear as day that he has no sense of history. Hes completely ignorant of the religions in the region. Do you think that he could tell you the origins of the sunni shia schism . I suspect not. He knows nothing about anything. He is bumbling around. And he destabilized with his rash move the middle east. And as i said, when he announced the move to the embassy, i said there will be blood on his hands not because he pulled the trigger, but because he destabilized the region with not having any clue about what he was doing. And that goes for Jared Kushner as well. I want to just you mentioned robert jeffress, who is one of the pastors who gave an invocation today. This is what mitt romney said. Robert jeffress says you cant be saved by being a jew and mormonism is heresy from the pit of hell. Hes said the same about islam. He should not be giving the prayer that opens the United States embassy in jerusalem. Of course it is. It is an appalling disgrace that these two were allowed to open in prayer under the flag of the United States an official u. S. Government event given their mountains of bigotry, their anticatholici anticatholicism, antijudaism, antimuslim, antimormonism. We dont talk about these people enough. So lets do it for a moment. Jerry falwell, franklin graham, mike huckabee, all of them, they dress up as man of god, but they are not. They are in business and they are in politics. And the type of politics that they advocate is an extreme and theocratically tinged politics. You see that they thirst for the nectar of political power, the gospel is secondary. When you look at their exvocations of donald trump from all sorts of behavior that they previously condemned, its for expedient partisan political purposes. One of the things that is certainly true about this movement, wherever you look around the world and you see the fusion of the state with religion, whether it is putin and the orthodox church, complicit in his power or other places around the world, the ideology advanced and represented by hege at all always veers towards the autocratic. Its always less free. Its always dominated by an extreme animus towards gays. There are people who would much rather tell you how to live and what Birth Control that youre allowed to take, for example, if youre a young woman than would ever dare to say what is so obviously true about conduct by this president that is so obviously wrong. These are the modernday fa fairsies in the temple. One of the blessings of roy moores candidacy is we know who they are, and no one in this country ever has to pretend again when they hold up a cloak and say youre attacking my religion to do anything but laugh out loud. Their politicians and extreme ones at that. All right. Steve schmidt, thank you so much for coming out tonight. I appreciate it. Thank you, chris. For more on the move and the chaos in gaza, ambassador wendy sherman, nbc Global Affairs analyst and former undersecretary of state for the obama administration. When asked about the death toll in gaza, there has been six weeks of the great return march there has been a very high body count. There has been instances of hamas using live fire, molotov cocktails, armed fire, but by in large armed Israeli Soldiers, by and large unarmed protesters. Saying th the white house today saying this is all in hamas hands. Does it surprise you . It doesnt surprise me. Organizations that really dont believe in the tolerance that ostensibly all of us in america are for. I question the president sometimes, but i think most americans believe in tolerance and openness, and that has not been true of hamas and hezbollah. But todays deaths, one can only mourn what has occurred here. And i think youre a split screen of the celebration in jerusalem. And look, its been a bipartisan orthodoxy so to speak that both democrats and republicans and independents believe that jerusalem is the capital of israel. What has happened here is that the president took this step without any preparation, without creating any hope for the Palestinian People that there would be a twostate solution. So we have the celebration over here of really a Freight Train coming down the road. And we have the deaths over here with no hope and only despair. James, what do you say to people wendy mentioned this. It has been a bipartisan position. Chuck schumer today celebrating the move of the embassy to jerusalem. President has actually had to Issue National security waivers to stop the moving because it is a bipartisan move. Donald trump called the bluff. Donald trump has done what was tacit american policy anyway. Look, when Newt Gingrich and bob dole pushed through the jerusalem legislation back in 1995, bill clinton didnt sign it. The white house didnt want it. And Yitzhak Rabin didnt want it. It was intended to kill the peace process. Rabin knew it, clinton knew i, and all of us knew it. Thats why president s have waived the provision. What donald trump has just done is swallowed the poison pill and pounded a nail, the final nail in the coffin of the prospects for middle east peace, and for america being able to provide leadership in this peace process. I understand that a whole lot of folks have a view of jerusalem, but understand that when partition occurred, the World Community said it should be an International Zone because of its importance to the three great abrahamic faiths, because of the enormous sensitivity involved. Thats why nobody had a capital in west jerusalem, precisely because it was to be resolved between the paefrties so that y would not have a conflagration. You now have the conflagration. And frankly, the israelis have now been emboldens to take additional measures in East Jerusalem that have made the lives of palestinians even more precarious. And i think were going to see more Dangerous Things in the weeks and months to come. Wendy, as someone who spent your life serving the United States government in international affairs, what is it like to see Jared Kushner, the soninlaw of the president and his daughter, the daughter of the president , who have no real reason to be at this event other than their bloodlines and marriage . Their blood lines, their marriage, and the fact that they are jewish, and i think the president holds that up as a card that he plays as necessary. I certainly respect their religious choice. Im a jewishamerican myself. But nonetheless, one should come to this with the gravity that the situation calls for. And this is really sending them makes it a ceremonial occasion, not one that really speaks to a solution being found, a process in place. Whether it is getting out of the iran deal or the celebration today, there is no plan b there is no plan b for peace in the middle east. There is no plan b for the Iran Nuclear Agreement there is no plan b for american lives lost in the middle east and trying to help find peace. Were really at a very desperate place where people in the region dont see hope ahead. You know, chris, when i saw the visuals of that crowd, largely white, i think almost all white, sitting in those bleachers, and then i saw the scene of these young men in gaza, 70 youth unemployment for three decades now, no job, no prospect of a job, absolutely dying in despair, and therefore willing to lose their lives, i thought this enormous contrast that looked to me like British Colonial coluindia. It looked like where you had the folks being served tea and crumpets while people were dying in the streets. It also looked to me like bonfire of the vanities. It was two folks you mentioned really have no reason to believe there other than the fact that theyre people of privilege, sitting over a situation unable to open their eyes to the reality thats happening all around them. Jared kushner as far as we know doesnt have security clearance as he works on these incredibly weighty issues. James zogby and wendy sherman, thanks for being with me. Thank you. Thank you. Next, a mysterious professor at the center of the case for collusion has gone missing. Today we learned Robert Mueller is tracking him down. Natasha bertrand has reporting on that, and much more in two minutes. So im not happy unless my hands are dirty. Between running a business and four kids, were busy. Auto insurance, homeowners insurance, Life Insurance policies. Knowing that usaa will always have my back. 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It was that exchange in april 2016, months before the dnc email hack became public that eventually helped trigger the fbi probe, the original one back in 2016 into the Trump Campaign. Here is the thing, missud has been missing since last october, which would be around the same time that Robert Mueller revealed that papadopoulos was cooperating with investigators after getting caught lying about his contacts with missud. After a new report in the atlantic, there are indications that mueller has been hot on missouds trail. Natasha bertrand is a staff writer for the atlantic who broke that story and matt miller is a former spokesperson for the Justice Department department. Natasha, ill start with you. What do we know about Robert Mueller tracking down this mi missoud character . We know he detained his best friend and Business Partner for all intents and purposes last october some time at jfk when this german multimillionaire, his name is steven rowe, he was vacationing in new york with his family, and he was fished out of the passport line at jfk and interrogated for hours. This is all according to steven rowe, a lawyer who is best friends with joseph missoud. The entire premise is the entire russia investigation is a big hoax. And he describes why he thinks that his best friend, Joseph Mifsud is actually asian and not of western intelligence there very little known about him and is there are conflict theories on the right and the left about whether or not he is an asset of the Russian Intelligence Services or the western intelligence services. Matt, what strikes me here you have this example of mifsud. A lebanese fixer and arms dealer who was detained when he landed at kennedy. You a ukrainian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg who is detained when he gets off a private jet. The scope of what mueller is tracking down and who he is talking to is really remarkable. Yeah, thats exactly right. And i think you just described some of the known unknowns, things that we know a little bit about, but dont know the full details. There are a whole category of secretary rumsfelds phrase known unknowns. Its been six and a half months since George Papadopoulos plead guilty, and mueller put in open Court Filings, really the most tantalizing piece of evidence weve seen so far today and thats that he had been told there were thousands of emails the russians had stolen. In the six months he plead guilty, we dote know anything about that piece of investigation. For all the other threads in the campaign, the trump tower meeting, the president s trip to moscow in july or in 2013, this is the one where mueller has tipped his hand a little bit. And its the one where there is the most evidence of potential collusion, but not really told us much more. But here we find out if he is not close to mifsud himself, we dont know where he is, he is circling and getting all his friends and associates and bringing them in for questioning. Buzzfeed reported back in february that mifsud has a ukrainian fiancee who says he flatout disappeared she was seven months pregnant and engaged. Shortly thereafter he dropped from sight. Natasha, this speaks to the fact that were sort of getting things six months later generally about what mueller has been up to. But the idea that he is not looking into collusion anymore seems belied by the information we do learn. Right. It seems like every week were learning a new piece of this investigation that does have to do with collusion. Of course, the collusion aspect of this investigation, and thats not even a good word for it, the conspiracy aspect of this investigation is of course much more complex than the obstruction aspect of this probe. Right there. Are so many more players. A lot of them are foreign nationals. Youre dealing with a hostile foreign government, the kremlin, and its just a much more there are so many more moving parts. Now, of course, as we said we are learning about six months later what mueller is actually investigating which makes it really difficult i think for the president to credibly undermine the investigation, because we just dont know. And neither does he what pieces are going to come out, say, next week. A week after the president says no collusion. Just the fact that mueller is hot on the trail of this guy mifsud, who we really know nothing about style stihl shows that he mys mifsud is a pivotal piece and a pivotal player in this investigation, handy is. Because of course he was the first person allegedly to tell the campaign about russian dirt. So did he have russian connections, and was he relaying something from the kremlin on to the Trump Campaign to see what their reaction would be . That is one of the biggest remaining questions in this investigation. Matt, are you confident the fbi and the special counsels office have the capacity they need to be running all this down . Because it seems like a lot. Yeah, absolutely. Look, if you look at the team of prosecutors, we know how many prosecutors are on the team, and theyre system of the best prosecutors in the business. And we also can tell by Court Filings what some are working on, although a few, very interesting undercover nugget there are a few prosecutors whose names havent surfaced so we dont know what theyre doing. I think well wait and see further indictments down the road, well get a clue to that. Weve never got a good sense of how many fbi agents are working on, but one of the things the fbi has the ability to do is kind of farm pieces out, is have someone approach and detain the witness, have someone work overseas. One of the things when you look at muellers reach internationally, we know that agents have travelled to london to interview witnesses. And if you think about Something Like Joseph Mifsud, who might be somewhere in europe, one of the things the fbi has a very good ability to do is work through Legal Assistance treaties that we have with other countries. Right. To use agents from other countries and to kind of come in and drop in and tag team on investigations to bring people in for questioning and gather evidence. There also seems, natasha, that part of what is at issue here is these sort of origins of the information mifsud passed to papadopoulos. There is this kremlin connected think tank conference in april 2016, april 19th. Thats where papadopoulos and mifsud or mifsud is there and later goes and tells papadopoulos about the emails, right . Right. So they met at some point in the spring of 2016, and papadopoulos at first, if mifsud was not interested in papadopoulos at all. He thought he was some low level energy consultant. And upon learning he was actually associated with the Trump Campaign, thats when mifsud started to take interest in papadopoulos, according to special counsel Robert Muellers Court Filings. Now we dont know where mifsud himself got the information. That of course is the biggest question. There are a bunch of conspiracy theorys on the right now that says along with the book just released by his best friend that actually mifsud was a plant by western intelligence, of course that doesnt make much sense. No. Because papadopoulos was indicted essentially for lying to the fbi about his conversations with mifsud, because at first he did not reveal the full extent of those conversations. He did not reveal the fact that mifsud did offer this dirt on the Trump Campaign. It didnt really add up to be some kind of bern intel. This is something where mifsud met papadopoulos, realized he was a member of the Trump Campaign and then kind of lamped on to him. All right, Natasha Bertrand and matt miller, thank you both. Coming up, President Trumps lawyer accused of approaching another company with access to the president. The latest on Michael Cohens sales job and his fears about being cut off by donald trump, after this. Fisher investments avoids them. Some advisers have hidden and layered fees. Fisher investments never does. And while some advisers are happy to earn commissions from you whether you do well or not, Fisher Investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. Maybe thats why most of our clients come from other money managers. Fisher investments. Clearly better money management. 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Quote, have i the best relationship with the president on t the outside and you should hire me. Not everyone bought the pitch. Ford and uber turned him down. For more on the misadventures of Michael Cohen and other legal equipments, im joined by jill winebanks, Jed Shugerman and david cay johnston, author of its even worse than you think what the President Trump administration is doing to america. David, we talked about this last week. I still dont know what the real truth is here. But the picture that is painted by the wall street journal is of cohen sort of desperately trying to market his proximity to the president , even as he drifts sort of out of the president s inner circle. Cohen became frustrated by lack of access and calls his associates of the president have you heard from the boss. One mr. Cohen who saw him over the winter voiced his unhappiness with the state of his relationship with mr. Trump saying the president was not calling him and not helping him. What do you think . Well, lets just step back a little bit, chris. Its very clear that Michael Cohen saw an opportunity to make a lot of money for himself, and there is no reason to think that the companies that weve heard of so far, plus the russian entity are the only companies he was out there pitching. We know, for example, he called mark cuban. But cohens ability to monetize his relationship to the president depends on the president calling him as frequently as he does sean hannity. And if he doesnt have that relationship and cant demonstrate to people that they are tight, then hes useless to people. He may be useless anyway. But he is certainly useless for the capacity of monetizing his relationship. You know, jill, ive been wanting to ask you about this since the cohens started to break about consultants. I think people forget the 12r structure of watergate had to do with essentially offbook donations ending up in a kind of slush fund that was then used to pay for offbook activities like the breakin. That is exactly true. There was so much cash in the safes of the committee to reelect the president , known as creep, and the white house, that they didnt have to make choices about how to spend money for campaign. So if they had had to make a choice, they wouldnt have ever spent money on a breakin at the dnc headquarters. They would have spent it for television advertising. But they had too much money. And it was all undecided, or undisclosed who the money came from. So they could do anything they wanted with it. And it was a really bad situation that was helped by legislation that has been undone by citizens united. Right. One of the worst decisions in the history of the supreme court. Its a great point, right . This sort of unaccountable money sloshing around was one of the big postwatergate reforms which has since been revoked which brings us to this point. Jed, do you think that Michael Cohen represents the single biggest legal liability to the president at this point . Well, there is good reason to think that there are significant connections with Michael Cohen and a key allegation in this steele dossier. So what we learned on sunday is an allegation that Michael Cohen met with ahmed al rumahi, a qatari diplomat in charge of a 1 billion qatari fund. The steele dossier suggests that there was a plan for russia to sell its massive oil company, rosneft. And lo and behold, what happens after the election, on december 7 or 8th of 2016, russia sells 19. 5 to an undisclosed buyer. That buyer we later find out is qatar. And four days later, none other than Michael Cohen, as well as Michael Flynn are seeing and are allegedly meeting with this qatari diplomat. And then lo and behold later cut tar is backing a loan of 184 million to Jared Kushner. So Michael Cohen is at the center of i think the most one of the most explosive allegations in this russian quid pro quo scheme, and then the question is with all of this criminal liability, what does Michael Cohen know and when did he know it . And will he tell Robert Mueller . You know, jed, david, youre shaking your head. I continue to think as we learn more about mueller and we look to those pictures of cohen on that elevator that the transition really feels like a real key moment in all this, because, you know, these were people that didnt think they were going to win necessarily. And all of the sudden they had the opportunity of their lives with not a lot of professionals or guardrails around them. David . Oh, to me, im sorry. Well, yes. One of the stunning things you have to keep in mind about trump and the people around him is whenever there is money, thats what their thoughts turn to. Right. I tweeted the other day that Rudy Giuliani when he made his i wouldnt debate Michael Avenatti for 10 million it tells you these are people lucre is central to their lives. Theyre not thinking about public service. Theyre thinking whats in it for me. And jed, just to follow up on what you said. The pictures of cohen sort of floated around this weekend. That rosneft detail, the 19. 5 , there is something striking about that detail because it shows up in the dossier. Its part of the sale affirm with precisely that number which then does end up happening. Thats exactly right. I asked colleagues why 19. 5 . And what they told me is there are International Regulations about what has to be disclosed about a financial transaction. By keeping that number under 20 , it allowed them to move money around. So when qatar makes that purchase along with the swiss company, they immediately divide it up, spread it around, and they can create the commissions. It wasnt that they gave 19. 5 to trump people like kushner, its that they were able to under the radar create commissions that those millions of dollars could go undetected. It just turns out that there are other ways of finding out that information that got all the way back. It was done in a way to avoid detection. It looks like it got detected anyway. And so the allegation was that these commissions could be produced. And here is another weird fact. It turns out russia bought back a lot of that 19. 5 . Right. This was a paper transaction created to generate millions of dollars that would go undetected and could move around that seems to have been in the works for a while. It is harder, jill, you think now to trace these sort of the flows of dark money than it was back when you were investigating watergate . No. I actually think its easier, because we have computers. Back then, computers were a very new thing, and it wasnt that easy to do the kind of searching. So i think it will be easier to do it, and i going back to something david said early on, there is going to be a lot more companies that cohen approached that were going to be looking at. And were going to find a lot more evidence against him. And its a good thing its in the Southern District because that investigation can go on no matter what threats are made to mueller because theyre looking at all of these kinds of financial trails and have the resources to do it. So i think it will be a very, very good thing to have happen. The folks at uber and ford and whoever else we find out are probably patting themselves on the back and wiping the sweat from their brow. Right. I also think shareholders could be very angry, and that there should be a shareholder lawsuit to make the executives who allowed this to happen to pay a man 1. 2 million in one case, 600,000 for absolutely no value. There could never have been any intended value in his relationship. And whatever he had is certainly now gone because Everybody Knows he no longer has the ear of the president , which was what he was selling to begin with. So i think there should be some actions taken to say why would you ever have agreed to this contract . And when he saw you had no value, why did you not try to break the contract . Because he made a false promise of what he couldnt deliver. Its a great point. Novartis current ceo has thrown the previous ceo under the busson this precise point. Jill winebanks, Jed Shugerman and david banks, thank you for joining me. The swamp olympics. Well check in that competition ahead. A lovehatelove relationship in tonights thing 1, thing 2 next. Thing 1 tonight. You may remember President Trump had a bad habit of what we in the cable News Business called hate watching where he would spend a lot of time watching Tv News Networks like ours whose programing tended to rile him up. Dont get me wrong, if youre hate watching right now, we love it. I hope im riling you adequately. According to new reporting, the hate watching with the president however caused Serious Problems for the president s senior staff. In the early months of the administration, trump would spend hours every morning watching shows that angered him. And by the time his day was formally under way, usually 11 00, the whole world was thrown off course. The white house needed to get the president back on track, so they came up with a plan to convince him to forget trump watching and just stick to the friendly trump tv programing of the fox news channel. Then chief of staff Reince Priebus and sean spicer worked talking points about his basis of conversation until eventually it stuck to solve that the president s Television Consumption is today what a Current White House official called mainly a complete dosage of fox. How that plan backfired not only for trump staff, but for the presidency, and, well, maybe even the world is thing 2 in 60 seconds. Mom . Dad . 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Former white house official called the president s limited viewing habits, quote, an fed up feedback loop adding what ends up happening is judge janine or hasnt any fills him up with a bunch of crazy stuff and everyone on staff has to go and knock down all the fing fires they started. Apparently its worst than now as new York Magazine reports hannity and trump talk on the phone most nights and sundays talk multiple times. The feeling among staffers is that hannity is the leader of the outside kitchen cabinet. And hannity, how good is hannity . How good is hannity . And he is a great guy, and he is an honest guy. And fox friends in the morning is the best show. And its the absolute most honest show. This this this this is my body of proof. Proof of less joint pain and clearer skin. This is my body of proof that i can take on Psoriatic Arthritis with humira. Humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. 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Now with only the good stuff. Do you know how to use those . Nope. Get those kids some capri sun take away the mounting scandals and there is one thing Donald Trumps cabinet members seem especially well equipped for. Dismantling Consumer Health and safety protections in the agencies they run. Education secretary betsy devos according to the New York Times has lifted regulation that would investigate fraud at for profit colleges like for instance devry or, i dont know, the now defunct trump university. Epa administrator scott pruitt whos come under fire for a series of seemingly unending ethical scandals and is now facing at least ten separate investigations, has rolled back nearly two dozen regulations over the past year. And then theres Mick Mulvaney, who temporarily heads up the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, an agency he once said he wanted to, quote, get rid of. Since taking the job last november, his second job in the administration, he was working two at the time, mulvaney has tried to do just that. With me now the only other person to ever have that job. Richard cordray. He is now running for governor of ohio. The Consumer Finance Protection Bureau was i think envisioned as a kind of frankly progressive agency, but what happens if you make an agency of the government and you hand it over to the other party, they have a different vision of it. What do you think of your successors job . Its been true throughout the federal government. The epa, hhs, cfpb, theyve been against the missions of the agencies theyre heading. I think its distressing whats happened to cfpb. Theyre not standing on the side of consumers as we did, not looking out for people, protecting them from being cheated and mistreated. Thats what we did. We put 12 billion back in the pockets of 30 million americans that was wrongly taken from them. What do you mean by that . We took Enforcement Actions against the big banks and big Financial Companies to make sure people who were wronged got their money back. For example, we went after two of the forprofit college chains that were failing, defruding taxpayers, cheating the students, cheating veterans out of their gi bill money. And we got them shut down and we dot money back for people. 750 million. They actually thats one of the things Mick Mulvaney has shuttered, as i understand it, that entire division that would investigate student loan abuses and these kinds of things has been shut down. Do you think thats a bad idea . Some combination of he and betsy devos at department of education have reversed they dont want to be monitoring the forprofit colleges because they like the forprofit colleges. We found that many of them ab e abused taxpayers, abused students. Same things happening in ohio. We have forprofit Charter Schools in high mine one of them wenty up this year, 13,000 students thrown back into the system, 80 million missing, lots of criminal referrals now being made. Nobody was minding the store. Thats part of the reason why im running for governor of ohio. Are there systematic reasons to be worried about theres banks sort of abusing their customers, but one of the things i think we saw in 2007 is or 2006 and then 2008 is banks sort of getting over can lead to bigger problems. Do you worry about that . I do worry about it. We saw all kinds of difficulties and problems and people being taken advantage of, which nobody can think is right. As i said, we put back money in peoples pockets, gave them a voice, we solved problems. I know that the powerful interests i fought on wall street and the special interests in washington will now come after me in this governors race and they will be loaded up with money. And if people want to take on this fight and join us they can go to cordrayforohio. Com. Do you think that Mulvaney Mulvaney has two jobs. Hes the head of the omb and hes running your agency. Are you offended hes working both jobs at the same time when that was your full job . I think its wrong. The agencys supposed to be independent of the politics and the administration. Theyre putting a political person who reports directly to the president in charge of the agency. Thats just wrong. And the design from the beginning, right . Was that it wasnt like that. That is correct. Its supposed to be independent of politics. Its supposed to be looking out for the consumer. Its supposed to be like the federal reserve. Its independent is politics. But thats not the way theyre running it, and its just wrong. Youre running for governor in ohio, and its an interesting political time. Ohios a state that donald trump won by quite a bit. Youve been elected there statewide before. Its also a time when unemployment is quite low in historical terms. Weve started to see a bit of wage growth. The economy is growing. What do you say to people saying look, whatever you say about donald trump and i may not like things he tweets, things are going okay right now . Well, look, weve had a nineyear recovery that started under many years under president obama. It happens to be continuing. But in a ohio theres lots of communities that still left out and left behind. And they are. And we need Economic Opportunity to spread throughout the state. Thats one of the things im running on. Kitchen table issues like better education and training for people in their families and access to Affordable Health care. My opponent wants to take away health care from 700,000 ohioans by ending the Medicaid Expansion. That is wrong, and i will fight it. Is that a central fight in your campaign, Medicaid Expansion . It is a central fight in our xhan. Is your opponent running on rescinding that . He has said that it will not exist if it is governor. And this is 700,000 people who get health care. 200,000 Getting Mental Health and opiate treatment while we had an Opioid Crisis in ohio. It is the wrong move for ohio. Its bad for people. And i will stand and fight for that. How much can the state do about opioids in a state like ohio, which has been particularly hard hit and is a massive state and i know has really struggled to deal with the epidemic . I think we can do a lot. I think we can spread Economic Opportunity out because part of this is hopelessness in certain communities. We can restrict the overprescription of painkillers that are very addictive. We can use Law Enforcement to help get cocaine and fentanyl and heroin off the streets, which are the further addictive drugs that are so dangerous. And we can do a lot to use the med kaids expansion and local government funding to make Services Available to people who need them so they can get treatment, get out of addiction, rather than being stuck in Law Enforcement, stuck in jail, stuck in prison. Are banking interests going to play big in this ohio i think theyre going to we need to fight back with regular people all over the country, and thats why i mentioned you can go to cordrayforohio. Com. All right. Richard cordray, thanks for making some time. Thank you, chris. This is my last chance to tell you that our new podcast why did i just say podcrast . Podcast why is this happening launches tomorrow. Were going to drop the first three episodes all at once for some binge listening. Three amazing guests, three different topics, all on your phone, tomorrow morning. So go to apple podcasts or whatever you use, subscribe now so you can know when they go up. That is all in for this evening. The Rachel Maddow show starts right now. With the one and only joy reid in for rachel. Good evening, joy. Binge list. My time management is ruined. Youve got commutes. Youve got segment meetings that maybe run a little long. Im overscheduled. Anyway, thank you. Cant wait to hear the podcast, man. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you and thanks to you at home for watching us for the next hour. Rachel has one more night off. Just one more. But she will be back here tomorrow. We promise. There is of course a lot going on tonight. Were of course watching developments on the border between israel and the gaza strip. After a day of violence and bloodshed there. The Israeli Military opened fire on thousands of protesters who they said were trying to break through the border fence, killing and they killed over 50 palestinians and wounded by one count more than 2,500 people. This was the Bloodiest Day since protests began at the border a month ago. And todays violence coincided with a ceremony marking the opening of the new u. S. Embassy