With the russian. Plus, news of a new steel memo, revealing memos of russian interference in trumps choice for secretary of state. And why a russian coach currently in jail on thailand could crack the russia investigation wide open. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. A former trump aide who recently spent hours being interviewed by Robert Muellers team thinks the special counsel has something on the president of the United States. Sam nunberg is a name you probably heard a fair amount today if you were checking the internet at all, and he is a political consultant who was fired from the Trump Campaign in its early days way back in 2015. A couple of days ago he was questioned by muellers investigators for over five hours. Today in a live phone interview on this number, he told my colleague katy tur that he concluded based on those questions that mueller has the goods on his former boss, president donald j. Trump. You sat there in that room being questioned by muellers investigators. I want to hear directly from you. Do you think that they have something on the president . I think they may. What . I think that he may have done something during the election. But i dont know that for sure. Why do you think that . I cant explain it unless you were in there. Explain the atmosphere. The way they ask questions about anything i heard after i was fired from the campaign to the general election to even it insinuated to me he may have done something. I spoke to steve bannon for the first time last week after i went in there. And i spoke to him, and steve and i were discussing about how we both feel, katy, like im telling you, that trump very well may have done something during the election. I dont know what it is. I could be wrong, by the way. Okay. Nunberg later expanded on that claim in the studio with msnbcs ari melber. I think they were interested in something with his business. With his business . Yes, with his business. Did they ask you about the way he run his business . Yes. And by the way, i have no idea what he did. And he may not have done anything and coy be wrong. You felt they were asking you more about potential crimes related to the Trump Organization than the campaign . Thats what i felt. The white house dismissed nunbergs claims about a potential case against the president of the United States. I definitely think he doesnt know that for sure because he is incorrect, as weve said many times before there was no collusion with the Trump Campaign. Anything further on what his actions are. He hasnt worked at the white house. So i certainly cant speak to him or the lack of knowledge that he clearly has. Nunberg also announced that he is defying a subpoena from the special counsel to appear before a federal grand jury this friday, complaining that Campaign Documents subpoenaed by the special counsel would be too onerous to retrieve, and saying he didnt want to implement his former mentor, longtime trump adviser roger stone. Im not going to answer something so wide as this. This is so ridiculous. Im not going to give them every email i had with steve bannon and roger stone. I communicate with them every day. Roger stone is like a surrogate father. He is like my father. You feel loyal to him. And im not going to go in there for them to set up case against roger. Roger did not do anything. Okay. Were going to parse that. This comes directly after nbc news and axios both reported that an anonymous witness was recently subpoenaed for Campaign Documents going back to october 1, 2015, anything having to do with either the president or a long list of former campaign and senior aides. Nunberg told katy tur he made up his mind, get this, not to comply with the subpoena while he was in the middle of reviewing the requested documents, though he denied having found something he didnt want the special counsel to see. Did you find an email in the last 24 hours that made you worried, an email you didnt want to hand over . Not at all. A text message you didnt want to hand over. Did somebody put that question into your ear . No. Thats a question came up with off the top of my head. Its a very good question. No. I did. No. Has anybody from the Trump White House contact youd . No. Has the president contacted you . No. Has anybody from trumps Legal Team Contact youd . No. Has roger stone told you not go to go talk to the grand jury . No. Now, defying a grand jury subpoena could result in prison time for nunberg who could be charged with contempt of court. But nunberg appeared to dismiss the potential consequences. I once again dont want to have to spend 80 hours going over emails. You would rather spend possibly a year in jail than 80 hours im not going to jail. You think im going to jail . Well, maybe. Msnbcs katy tur spoke to sam nunberg this afternoon and joins me right now. Sorry than. Let me ask you this. What is going on here . Other than the chair falling . Other than the chair falling. Listen, sam is its a character. And he has always been a character inside trump world. A lot of what he says you have to confirm. All of what he says you have to confirm. Some of it is farflung and some things do result in solid reporting that can get backed up by multiple other sources. He went in to the special counsel interview about a week ago. Came out of it and said on this network that it was not a witchhunt, that it was a good use of taxpayer money, that it did not waste his time. Last night i spoke to him about the subpoena, and he said he was going to comply with it. He never gave any indication that he would not comply with it. I was talking to him 10 30, 11 00 last night. And this morning, or this afternoon, while i was on television, the Washington Post reports that he is suddenly not going to comply. So i called him, and i asked why. It does make it suspicious to a normal person about what he might have found that would make him not want to comply. If there is no communications with a lot of the people on that list, then, okay, thats easy. If there is communications with roger stone, and roger stone didnt do anything, okay, exonerate roger stone with your emails. Ding ding ding ding ding. If there is emails about steve bannon and steve bannon didnt do anything, show the emails that exonerate steve bannon. I think ultimately what will happen is sam nunberg will appear before a grand jury. Sam nunberg will comply with the subpoena. He is just going to make it difficult and he is going to flail his arms around. Okay. So to go back, lets focus in on. He is he is saying things that seem incriminating for other people. I just want to walk through those to figure out what grains of salt. Lets start with the president there. Is a lot of interesting stuff that has come out of the interview that he had. And some of it focuses on, and this is what is interesting, because its not just sam nunberg who says this about what your interviewers questions are. This is confirmed by other sources is that mueller is probing whether or not donald trump himself knew about the hacked democratic emails, the Hillary Clinton emails, the john Podesta Emails before the public knew. And when he was at that press conference that weve all been talking about, the one that i was at in july of 2016, where he said russia, if youre listening, was he using that for some sort of cover for himself because he knew it was coming later . Where in the world did that line come from . Theyre questioning it. Theyre also questioning his relationship with roger stone. Why was roger stone out of the campaign . Was he really fired or did he quit . What relationship did stone have during 2016 . Was there still a relationship . Potentially, was there some sort of back channel going on . We know they talked. Yeah, we do. Well, sam nunberg, and today was bonkers, underscore bonkers, it doesnt take away from the fact that there are still questions being asked not only of sam nunberg, but of others about what the president when he was a candidate and when he knew it. Of course. I guess my question more is what is nunberg like he has been on two interviews on this network. He has done two interviews on another network. He called in to new york one today, which is like the local Cable News Network of new york. What is he doing . How do you understand the behavior of this individual . I mean, im not a psychoanalyst. I cant tell you what he is trying to do. He says things that get a rise out of people. He says outrageous things. He does it. He does it on the phone. He does it in Text Messages that is who he is. This is a surprising move, even for sam nunberg. I mean obviously its very surprising. There are people around him that are seriously concerned about him. Theyre concerned about his wellbeing. Theyre concerned about what he could be doing next. Theyre concerned. I just talked to him a moment ago, and i said have you talked to your lawyer . He said no, i havent talked to my lawyer. So who knows. I mean, this is odd. But, again, this is the Trump Campaign and administration. Everything has been completely wacky. Thats true. Katy tur, its great to have you. Great interview today. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Nick akerman and a former acting solicitor of the u. S. Under president obama. Neil, i want to start with you on a basic legal question here you. Get a document subpoena from a prosecutor and you say im not doing it. What happens next . Yeah, so, i mean, its kind of a ridiculous strategy that nunberg is pursuing here. To katy turs credit, she found the one guy who is more unhinged than donald trump. But this is an unhinged strategy. He said im not going to show up on friday. Im not going to give the documents. Muellers next move will be a motion to compel and ask a judge to order the documents and order him to appear. And that standard is very locw. Mueller is certainly going to win it, and he almost certainly has to bring such a motion. He cant just let this go because that sends a terrible signal to other witnesses. What do you make of what you saw today . Have you ever encountered Something Like that. I have. You have . Oh, yeah. When i was a prosecutor i had a witness in the grand jury. I asked him one question. Do you know Frank Sinatra . He refused to answer. Well, that seems like a big red flag. Sure. I gave him an immunity order. I asked him do you know Frank Sinatra. He refused to answer. I took him before the judge, and he spent the next 18 months in prison under a contempt order. Did you ever find fought he knew Frank Sinatra. Oh, i knew he knew Frank Sinatra. There you go. But he could have at any point in time in those 18 months come out and testified, and he would have been out of prison. The 18 months is the life of the grand jury. Whats interesting here is weve got a special grand jury for the special counsel. Its very likely this grand jury could get extended beyond 18 months. So hes really nunberg is playing with fire. He could wind up in jail for three years if he refuses to produce his documents and refuses to go to the grand jury. Let me ask you this, neil. The questions that were were getting a lot of stories about the questions that mueller is asking. The reason were getting those stories, as best i can tell, the Mueller Operation doesnt leak. But he has interviewed a lot of people. And the people who are being interview ready talking to reporters about what theyre being questioned. Nunberg seemed spooked. Other people seemed spooked. Other people seem to think theyre being asked questions by investigators and investigators already have the answers to. Is that a reasonable assumption . Well, i do think its reasonable. I do think what were learning is that mueller is investigating exactly what his mandate was, which is what happened with russia in the election. And part of that has to do with the trump businesses and other stuff that happened back then. I mean, i think the other thing about this is we shouldnt be after all surprised that nunberg all of the sudden is refusing to cooperate. I mean, that is what trump has been nodding and winking and suggesting that everyone should do. He has attacked the fbi. Right hi, has attacked Law Enforcement. He has attacked mueller. He has attacked the Justice Department. And those are all these guys. He appointed them all with the exception of mueller. Mueller is supervised by all of them. He is attacking them. Its not surprising that nunberg is following that lead. And thing saul about ultimately laying the groundwork for when trump refuses to comply with subpoenas. And then it looks like, well, other people have failed to comply too. So its just part of that whole thing. Yeah, but i think the lesson learned, thats going to be learned here is that if you dont comply, youre going wind up in prison. Thats exactly whats going to happen to him. The only power that our federal courts have is the contempt power. If they didnt have that, it would no one would ever testify about anything. No one would ever testify. No one would ever show up to court. You have to have that power. And particularly in an investigation like this you have to have the ability to hold somebody in contempt if they snub their noses at the court. I could not agree more. And i do think maybe the most important thing about this is not just the Mueller Investigation, but what signal this has sent and all these trump attacks on Law Enforcement to all the other investigations which have nothing to do with mueller across the country. I mean, if trump cant trust his own people in the fbi, his own Justice Department, how are ordinary citizens going to come forward . And Law Enforcement depends on voluntary cooperation and people coming forward and complying with subpoenas and all sorts of things. If trumps own former campaign folks arent complying and saying things like oh, i dont have to show up on friday, you know, just imagine what signal is sent to citizens across this country. Thats why president s dont do the kind of attacks that President Trump has done on Law Enforcement. And i must say, katy tur set up all of the facts here. The prosecutor can go in with that interview and show, number one, he simply doesnt want to comply, which is not an excuse. And two, that he has lots of evidence and lots of emails on bannon and roger stone. He seemed to draw a giant red arrow to precisely what was most incriminating. Well, i started going through my emails and i thought well, i dont want to comply. What are you going to do . His excuses, it would take him 80 hours as opposed to the next 18 months that he has to spend in jail. Neil, go ahead. I was going to say there are points in that interview with katy tur in which he sounded so incriminating to President Trump. Its very hard to follow. This is a guy who has more shifting stories than Stormy Daniels which is hard to do, but he has managed to do it. I dont know exactly, and i think we all dont know exactly what information he is referring to when he says muellers got the goods on trump. He suspects that there is something there. But, you know, its one marker in i think a long story thats going to unfold. The other thing about this is there is a lot of pressure being brought to bear on a lot of people right now. And youre seeing how people behave under that pressure in painful detail. Nick akerman, neil, thanks for your time tonight. There is a second steele dossier describing, get this, new claims of russian intervention alleging kremlin influence over trumps cabinet selection. That story in two minutes. There are two types of people in the world. Those who fear the future. And those who embrace it. The future is for the unafraid. Im all about my bed. This mattress is dangerously comfortable. When i get in, i literally say, ahh. Introducing the leesa mattress. A better place to sleep. The leesa mattress is designed to provide strong support, relieve pressure and optimize airflow to keep you cool. This bed hugs my body. Today is gonna be great. Read our reviews then try the leesa mattress in your own home. Get 100 dollars off, and Free Shipping too. Go to buyleesa. Com until sam nunberg gave his memorable performance all over cable news today, the biggest story in Politics Today came out of jane mayers new yorker profile of Christopher Steele. According to the he wrote another memo in which they talked circulating the kremlin had intervened to block trumps initial choice of secretary of state mitt romney. And that the kremlin through unspecified channels had asked trump to appoint someone who would be prepared to lift ukrainerelated sanctions and who would cooperate on security issues. The job ultimately went to rex tillerson, who had literally been awarded the order of friendship by Vladimir Putin himself. With me now republican strategist Steve Schmidt and adam davidson. Before we get to that story about the steele dossier and the way in which the Mueller Investigation is taking shape, im just curious your reaction watching a former associate of the president s doing doh what sam nunberg do what he has done all day on national television. Your mouth just hangs open. You cant believe these were the people who were in approximate positions to the president of the United States. Its just extraordinary. And this new yorker story today just in the depth of its reporting is extraordinary. Certainly the notion that the russians vetoed mitt romney as the secretary of state, and the story implies would have a veto whoever the president nominated in that. If thats true. And its an f. If thats true, certainly. Those are the grounds necessary to remove this president from office beyond any discussion, beyond any doubt. And then i think the other thing that the story lays clear is who is Christopher Steele . We have all this smoke and all this thunder and all this noise. This is a career Intelligence Officer who spent his entire career in the service of her majestys government, working very closely with britains most important ally, the United States. Where he had the respect and the admiration of the fbi, of the cia, of the american intelligence community. And Christopher Steele is a patriot. A patriot for his country and a friend of america. And the smears launched against him, Lindsey Grahams lowest moment in the United States senate, his unconscionable referral that he should be investigated criminally along with grassley, just terrible. And thats so laid bare in this new yorker story. There seems to be a synthesis between the steele dossier and the performance of nunberg today, and its this there are a lot of people in the trump orbit with very questionable judgment. And you have reported on the trump Business Empire in precisely those kind of terms that, like, if story coming together here is an orbit full of people with questionable judgment and an adversary in russia who wants to try to get to them, you start to look like i can see how those two things can go together. And the president who rather famously spends hours every day talking to all sorts of friends and who will do whatever the last friend told him to do. So what jane reported was at least the rumor or the report was not that trump putin called up trump. Right. That somehow they influenced the decision. Was he talking to one of his cronies who had a big business deal . I have personally spoken to several people in the trump orbit who described ideas they had about ways to make hundreds of millions of dollars being an intermediary between trump and oligarchs. They didnt need trumps permission because thats just how trump works. He is a platform for people i mean sam nunberg is not atypical of the kind of people you see in trumps orbit. And that seems to me a huge part of why the squeak it feels like the Mueller Investigation is squeezing. Because there are so here is what i would say. It seems plausible to me that donald trump himself didnt do a thing, but thinks that someone around him probably did that seems a plausible thing that has happened. We have the president s soninlaw, completely unqualified for his position. In any other white house, democratic or republican, cannot clear his security clearance. Would have been walked to the gates, never to return. Is sitting with the ceo of the apollo group and the ceo of citi outside of their normal loan processes. 500 million in american money of loans outside the process . This is the type of stuff that goes on 30 years ago in zaire, not in the United States of america. The magnitude of the corruption is just unfathomable. And thats the stuff we know. Right. And the other question here is there is all this reporting about there is a lebanese businessman named george nader. Again, its sort of what you said this influence peddling middleman role that he has had. He is now being looked at by the Mueller Investigation. You have looked into their finances, and it just seems like such an obviously fruitful line of inquiry. It is unbelievable. This weekend when we saw reporting that the fbis looking into the trump relationship with this exconvict malaysian businessmans son in vancouver, and i thought oh, yeah, that whole deal. Right. Rite. They havent even been paying attention to because there are so many other deals. They just got their name chiseled off a hotel in panama today. After almost an armed battle. And then you look at the indonesian, and on and on and on. Now, i dont think anyone who knows trump well or has followed him wealthies he would have sat down and said lets make a big longterm plan of collusion. However, what is very consistent, very consistent with the pei way way he ran his busi sometimes explicitly saying go out, make some money. Just give me my cut. And that is the culture that were seeing in white house very nakedly. 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Before you do any project big or small, pg e will come out and mark your gas and electric lines so you dont hit them when you dig. Call 811 before you dig, and make sure that you and your neighbors are safe. Congressional democrats have held the line on a number of the president s legislative priority, including efforts to repeal and replace obamacare, which sparked months of protests on capitol hill. Donald trumps tax overhaul which passed without a single democratic as well. But now some appear ready to join forces with the republicans to weaken banking regulations put in place after the financial crisis ten years ago. One democratic senator who is against the bill, senator Sherrod Brown of ohio who is a Ranking Member on the Banking Committee as well joins me now. Ill start, i guess, senator, by saying what my understanding of the argument in favor of the bill is which is that the last found of Financial Regulation painted with too broad a brush and it was onerous for the plucky small banks that everyone loves. And this is a common sense step to fix that. What do you say to that . Well, it started that way. I actually was working with senator crapo, the chairman of the committee to help the Community Banks with some rules that probably didnt need to be in place that dodd frank could have tailored the rules perhaps a little better for the banks that were smaller. And we looked at some of the midsized banks like hunting and fifth third and key banks in my state that really didnt contribute to the financial crisis. If he we had done it right and stuck to those. But this is a little like the tax bill. The republicans say it was middle class tax cut. Well, thats what they say 2 bill was. But it was all about helping the richlest 1 . This bill has some things for Community Banks and regional banks, but it also deregulates foreign banks, the banks Like Deutsche Bank and santander that have been terrible players in the international community. And it deregulates them in the United States. It weakens the stress test for those larger banks, makes them less frequent and dilutes them. And were ultimately relying on trump regulators to enforce some of these things. Thats why paul volcker, and sheila baer and others who used to do regulation and understand how important it is think this bill is pretty alarming, that this bill will make it more likely as a Congressional Budget Office says, more likely to cause a bailout in the future. And thats exactly the wrong thing to do. I want to go back to something you just said which is interesting you. Said there was a kind of legislative evolution in which you thought this started in a place where there was some needed reforms to sort of help Community Banks. And what happened was what . The Bank Lobbyists got ahold of it . The Republican Leadership got ahold of it and turned it into something you dont like and cant support . Yes. It was right after when the day that president obama signed the dodd frank bill, which was the wall street reform bill that really did we thought lock in for good some of the stronger rules and regulations to keep the large banks from bringing on more risk and making more money and ultimately until they didnt, until the banks imploded like wall street, number one, the financial lobbyists in washington that day said well, now its halftime. Norksds we may have lost the first half, but were going to work for the next eight years. And theyve worked to weaken the rules at the agencies. But never have they come with a frontal assault like they have in congress that clearly will mean easier treatment, weaker rules on the biggest banks. And its when youre deregulating deutsche bank, President Trumps bank, when youre deregulating the swiss bank that has been playing illegal with the iranians or santander, a spanish bank that was repossessed dozens of servicemens and womens cars when they were overseas serving our country, something is wrong with that. And thats why this opposition to this is so important. Okay. I dont understand how this is happening. The legislative agenda of this president seems a little stalled. Its unclear what he actually wants to do. Democrats have held the line on huge priorities. Youve got democratic cosponsors on this bill. And a lot of people are democrats in states trump won that are up in 2018. What are the politics of this . And why is this happening . Well, youll have to ask them. I think its a little bit like a frog is in water in a stove and you keep turning the hot water, making it hotter and hotter. This bill gets a little worse, a little worse, but nobody gets out of it. Nobody gets out of it because they agreed to support it when it was more modest and had good reforms. The lobbyists know there is buyin which allows them to do that. Of course, of course. And there are more wall street lobbyists than there have ever been. And theyre getting their way. Theyre earning their money. More power to them. But weve just seen there is no question from the cbo score to what these former regulators like paul volcker and tom hoenig, some of the republicans, volcker and others have said this is going to put more risk. Thats why i ask people to come to Sherrod Brown. Com and sign a petition saying no bailouts. Dont do this bailout. Because this is going to make it more likely that the banks will have to be build a out some time. All right, senator Sherrod Brown, thanks for joining me. Thanks, chris. Glad to. Still ahead, a pretty incredible story from the new york times. A belo russian escort says she has hours of recordings that could expose russias interference in the elections. And a big anniversary for President Trump this weekend. Thats thing 1, thing 2 next. You know how painful heartburn can be. For fastacting, longlasting relief, try doctor recommended gaviscon. It quickly neutralizes stomach acid and helps keep acid down for hours. Relieve heartburn with fast acting, longlasting gaviscon. And helps keep acid down for hours. Want us to do about what woulthis president . Fathers im tom steyer, and when those patriots wrote the constitution here in philadelphia, they had just repelled an invading foreign power. So they created the commander in chief to protect us from enemy attack. The Justice Department just indicted 13 russians for sabotaging our elections. An electronic attack on america that the chief investigator called warfare. So what did this president do . Nothing. And is he doing anything to prevent a future attack . 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We brought you a story about on friday is now the longest in state history. Thousands of teachers packing the Capitol Building in charleston again today as schools remain closed in all the states 55 counties in this amazing wildcat strike. They will stay shut tomorrow as well. As you may recall, the teachers reached a deal with the governor a few days ago, or at least the governor offered them one that included a 5 pay raise. And the house of delegates signed off on it. But they remained on strike, the teachers did, through the end of last week out of concern the deal wouldnt actually become law. Well, it turns out they were right to be concerned. Over the weekend, republicans in the state senate instead passed a bill giving teachers only a 4 raise, arguing it was unfair for teachers to get a 5 raise while other state workers only got 3 . The Conference Committee trying to work out a compromise remains deadlocked tonight while rich carmichael argues teachers should be happy with what lawmakers gave them. Were providing over 2,000 to teachers, the largest pay raise in 28 years. Thats all the money we have. Its an amazing pay raise. It locks in our insurance premiums and rates and will the teachers stay out on strike because they only got 80 of their demands . Yes, they are. Well, i think thats sends a bad message to society and to our frankly our students that there is compromise. Mature adults compromise. And thats what we do in this legislative process. And frankly, 80 of your demand is a very good outcome. Now two things to note about that. The first is this. In the beginning, the message the teachers got is there was no money for any kind of pay raise. And they went on strike and now theyre looking at a big pay raise, at least 4 , 5 . 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There is a selfstyled sex coach in a bangkok jail right now who says she is and i quote her here the on witness in the missing link in the connection between russia and the u. S. Elections. The 21yearold claims to have audio recordings that can link the kremlin to the Trump Campaign and fears for her life if she gets sent back to russia so shes offering to give the evidence to the u. S. Government in exchange for asylum. It seems plausible unless there was footage of her on a yacht with russian oligarch, former business associate of Paul Manafort. It reads like a spy novel. Here to unpack it, naveed and julie who wrote and reported on malcolm nance who wrote the plot to hack america. This story, i saw it like okay there is a russian coach in a jail that needs asylum to spill the beans about the kremlin oligarch and the election and there is a video, footage in which she doesnt that maybe unlikely or unpleaausible. What do you make of it . Were talking about russia so its totally plausible. Lets just be clear for our viewers, shes not just a sex coach but a professional escort. The way this came to light is russian Opposition Leader released a Youtube Video that everybody should go see, it has english subtitles about a half hour long about these escorts who came to troll his Campaign Offices because hes trying to undermine putins athoerty. Th they looked into what these prostitutes were, one of them, her last name means little fish is a frequent companion of this oligarch and Paul Manafort while being 19 million in debt was working for the Trump Campaign for free, and through enter immediate yard rie enteinteis trying to show when a good job he was doing. This escort post video of him talking about the u. S. Election with a very important kremlin Foreign Policy aid who has been around since the 90s and is very, very power and feel very close to Vladimir Putin. Let me make sure. I know. I know. This is hard. Its very simple. Were like 400 pages into a russian novel where americans are struggling with the names. Let me make sure i understand the last part. The video posted was cderipaska. The first thing he does, how do we use to get whole has ovd operation seen meaning deripaska. He owes him millions of dollars. This man, what youre saying is the video posted is this man talking to a russian official about the american election. Right. On his own private yacht and nice this to anastasiya is putting this on her open access instagram and just happened to notice it and he that is watch the video. It is fantastic and will explain everything. Malcolm, what do you make of this . There is only two things that can happen. It can be the truth, which is a little implausible but weve seen so many amazing and crazy things today im almost ready to believe anything but on the other hand, we can find she may believe shes being truthful and may actually have recorded some of this stuff but by about new, russian technical collection would have rolled this up and let out as a trap so when we go after this or some news agency goes after this, its car pader playing with puppies and were fools. This russian escort, what shes saying may not be true. She im sure has lots of video of deripaska and im sure shes ration nally scared for her lif to go back to russia but it doesnt mean she has the missing link. It could be because car paderips a scary guy. There say reason the russian government has to because of his connections to organized crime, the russian government has to issue him a diplomatic passport to come and visit here. So i think shes more scared of deripaska than the kremlin. Who would she be shopping this to . Donald trump. Thats the u. S. Government. She seems to be shopping it. Thats a great point and shes saying she needs asylum in the u. S. I had the same thought. If you think the u. S. Government will be like yes, please, we want to see the tape, maybe you have another thing coming. She says im scared for my life. Is that a legitimate concern . I think it is. We heard today that there was someone, a former russian officer who was traded in a spy swap who has come in the u. K. Its not beyond the peaale. When you talk about people, talk about human operations, this is what a case officer or steele would have to do. You have to look at the individual. Because someone is saying something, from an intelligence assessment standpoint you can say this person in fact did Say Something to me or did say this to me but the substance, the fact behind that may not be able to easily be ascertained. It sounds confusing. You can have high confidence somebody did say this but low confidence they did Say Something. Lets be clear. Shes talking to reporters behind a cage in a tied jail. Literally, there are american reporters standing in a thai jail. I agree that doesnt mean what shes saying is truthful or may not have what she has but what we do know she definitely was on a boat with deripaska at one point and did post video of stuff he was talking about. What were seeing, not just one thing but two. What i know about the rush intelligence, they are like burglars looking in a car every night. Every night they look for weakness. They will go in the car where a person left their wallet. Thats what the Trump Campaign represents, a weakness, a path in for russian intelligence to come in. We see five, ten stories coming out, there is something to it. May not be this specific thing but there is carely somethi cle here. You have to understand something, the bizarre nature of this. Deripaska lives in this wild west sort of world where he has his own set of rules, even though hes a russian and oligarch and associate of putin and these are the things that can come out in between the cracks. If we talk about this like a james bond movie, we have to wonder what happens to these women in bond films like from russia with love. They end up dead. It would not be beyond the pale to be for deripaska to make sure she gets shanked in the prison. There is a story about an officer spying for britain, the anna chapman prison swap we caught the russian spy who was here living life as an american got sent back to russia. One that came back from the west is living in england and hes found on a bench in the last few d days with a woman. The two of them dosed on something apparently. And now critically ill in a hospital. Critically ill in a hospital. I mean, weve seen this story before and weve also seen it here in washington d. C. The russians dont let you know, Vladimir Putin respects enemies but hates traitors and he said an enemy is a respectable thing. There is a set of rules to govern that but traitors need to die essentially. I have a feeling linking this back to the russian escort, i think shes scared out of her mind and afraid for her life with good reason and shes dangling this to the americans saying please save me, im going to die. Thanks for joining us. Well see what happens next. Before i go, exciting news, the paper back version of my latest book a colony in a nation comes out tomorrow and there is a brandnew afterward about donald trump and his rhetoric of law and order, which given todays news looks more and more releva relevant. The Rachel Maddow show starts now. When do you find the time . By the way, i wrote a whole new afterward to my book. Im running on empty. Well done, my friend. Thank you. Thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. Happy monday. Busy day today after a busy weekend of news, as well. Jane mayor posted a huge story at the new yorker thats about Christopher Steele, the author of the trump russia dossier that led to so much controversy in the year or so since it was First Published by buzz feed news. Jane mayor