When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. Major breaking news tonight in the russia investigation. Two big revelations on whether the Trump Campaign colluded with the russians. That possibility. And whether Donald Trumps actions as president amount to obstruction of justice. First, from the washington post, reporting tonight, the quote, less than two weeks before donald trump accepted the republican president ial nomination, his Campaign Chairman offered to provide briefings on the race to a russian billionaire closely aligned with the kremlin, according to people familiar with the discussions. If he needs private briefings, we can accommodate, Paul Manafort wrote in the july 7th, 2016 email. Jason maloney has confirmed the authenticity of the emails and says they were turned over to congressional committees. There are no reports yet that the russian billionaire received manaforts offer or that briefings took place. But investigators believe the exchanges which reflect manaforts willingness to profit created a potential opening for russian interests at the highest level of a u. S. President ial campaign. Also today, the clear signs yet that special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating President Trump himself and actions he has taken in office as the president. New york times reporting just hours ago that, the special counsel has asked the white house for documents about some of President Trumps most scrutinized actions since taking office, including the firing of his National Security adviser and fbi director, according to the white house officials. Further, mueller is also interested in an Oval Office Meeting mr. Trump had with russian officials which he said dismissal had relieved great pressure on him. Muellers team has listed 13 different areas in their document requests to the white house. Here to breakdown these major developments in the mueller investigation, former u. S. Attorney, former special prosecutor. I find this remarkable. Its not conclusive of anything but what is shows Paul Manafort, campaign chair, for one of the two major party nominees, who is pretty clearly and by the admission of his own spokesperson, seeking to profit with foreign interests over that position explicitly. Yeah. Ive got it tell you, it would shock me the response from the spokesperson was that this was innocuous, commonplace, something that happens all the time for Paul Manafort trying to pedal your influence with a russian billionaire is something that he does every day. I think its really shocking if i was his spokesperson or his attorney, i would say very little about this because its troubling. What it indicates to me is, you know, there was some effort, not only to get something for himself but you could, you know, imply that this guy was going to have an interest in potentially in the Trump Campaign. I mean, why is you know, why is a russian billionaire getting special access and special information about the Trump Campaign . I think it suggests that he is going to want something in return and that would be a crime if some official act was promised to the russian government in exchange for something of value or just getting foreign contributions at all could be a crime and we know muellers looking at that because he has got that search warrant on facebook. So i think its highly troubling. And i think it the biggest problem for manafort and the biggest implication is, these other crimes that mueller is looking at, like false disclosure forms, taxes, things like that, those are obviously serious crimes. Theyre felonies. But you could imagine him getting pardoned for that, you can imagine people saying mueller didnt find any collusion. But if there is some crime related to trading influence with a russian oligarch, if i was manaforts attorney, i would tell him, im not sure theres going to be a pardon and, oh, by the way, when the judge gets to sentencing, you might get the book thrown at you if youre convicted. So this is serious business. Barbara, the oligarch at the center of this, a few things about reporting on him, hes reportedly quite close to vladimir putin. Hes has a long relationship with Paul Manafort and at one point initiated Legal Proceedings against manafort for 19 million that he said manafort had taken from him and misused. My question to you is, there does seem to be the question that hangs over this of economic entrapment or economic incentives which is to say, someone owing someone money and that making them open to possible misbehavior, right . Absolutely. One of the first questions they ask you on a Background Investigation is whether anybody has leverage over you that could be used to compromise you, blackmail you, get you to do favors that is not in the interest of the United States. That debt alone is very problematic and certainly raises a lot of questions. To what extent did President Trump know about this . And Paul Manafort is the campaign manager, very high level. To what extent is he offering access to the campaign on behalf of the candidate himself . Certainly if he is seeking personal favor, there could be a problem there. But what if hes offering in exchange or is seeking Campaign Contributions . Which would also be illegal. Theres also the question, renato, to follow on the question of who owes who money, maloney, the manafort spokesperson, his story is people owed Paul Manafort money, right . They owed him money. Hes trying to collect on his debts so hes offering this free boutique briefing service. But it also seems possible that the owing goes the other way around and hes trying to work off of that. Like, i dont understand, if someone owes you money, why are you offering them a service . Thats not usually how it works. Am i wrong . I agree with that and anybody look, your viewers dont need me to tell them, if youre trading access to a president ial candidate in exchange for any money or any repayment of a debt, that is very dangerous business. And so, you know, if i was still a federal prosecutor and i was on muellers team, i would be looking at a whole bunch of different crimes that i could potentially charge coming out of that. And, you know, honestly, Paul Manafort is you know, is in a lot of trouble. He already, we know from the New York Times just yesterday, that bob mueller intends to charge Paul Manafort. This just means that the evidence he has at his disposal is more explosive than we thought. Barbara, i wanted to get your take on this because this is not the normal run of the mill investigation when youre dealing with the white house. Theres executive privilege, all sorts of ways in which the white house can attempt to shield its documents. What do you make of the scope of this document request and whether theyre going to be able to get their hands on this material . You know, in the reporting we have today described three or four of the categories and its been reported that the mueller team requested 13 different categories. So very broad. My guess is that there will be some negotiation and back and forth done to try to narrow the scope. But at the end of the day, Robert Mueller really holds all of the cards. If he wanted to, he could use a grand jury subpoena and be more heavy handed about it and go to court to quash that subpoena. I havent seen anything that seems beyond the scope beyond what is a legitimate request. He has the subpoena power to ask for anything reasonably designed for the discovery of admissible evidence to prove up his crimes and i think it really signals, when we look at the events that hes looking at, that he does have his sights set on a potential obstruction of justice investigation when hes focusing on the kinds of events that have been reported. Including, according to the New York Times, that famous meeting after comey was fired with sergey lavrov, foreign minister, and then sergey kislyak, who said that getting rid of the comey, the nutjob, had taken the pressure off. Barbara, renato, thank you. Thank you. Thanks, chris. Also today, new reporting on efforts by a suspected russian interest on facebook to explicitly mobilize support for donald trump during last years campaign. The daily beast breaking the story that, suspected russia propagandists appear to be the first case of russian provocateurs successfully mobilizing in support of donald trump. These events were called florida goes trump and described as patriotic flash mobs in 17 different florida cities. Its the latest in a story thats been widening ever since Facebook First confirmed the existence of russianlinked accounts that bought ads around the campaign. Special counsel mueller has obtained a warrant for information on these Facebook Accounts and earlier i spoke with the vice chairman of the select committee on intelligence, mark warner, and asked him what kind of information his committee was seeking from facebook. Well, chris, as far back as last winter, we raised concerns that the russians were using social media platforms like facebook and twitter to both advertise, to create fake accounts, to try to drive stories. Weve increasingly seen them try to drive people out to rallies and other events. Facebook at first and this is fairly disappointing kind of blew off those notions and said that really wasnt happening. We now know for a fact that it has been happening and what we want to make sure is that facebook is fully transparent, that theyve done a thorough review looking backwards of what all happened, how many accounts that were fake, affected by russia, how much of the ads, what theyve reported so far is 100, 150,000 worth of ads. Those were only ads that were paid for in rubles so the russian spy services know how to hide a little better than just using rubles. I dont think i quite realized that. Thats the number that so the 150,000, which struck me as sort of a small amount of money if youre going to do this as an enterprise, youre saying that was paid for in rubles . That was just paid for in rubles and what we found so far is that facebook didnt even take those same accounts and run them and see if they placed other ads, maybe paying in dollars or euros or other currencies. So i dont think theyve given us the whole story. Let me just give you another example to give the audience some way to put in perspective. Now, ill grant before the 2016 elections, this was kind of wild, wild west. Facebook was learning we were all, i think, seeing these tools being used for the first time in many ways. By the time the french elections came in the spring, work facebook being more cooperative working with french authorities, took down their words close to 50,000 accounts that were affiliated with russia. 50,000 in france, much smaller country. So far, facebook in the United States has only identified 470 accounts that may have been fake accounts that were promoting certain stories or prodding certain interest groups. To me, that just doesnt pass the smell test. Maybe thats correct, but if they did 50,000 in france and only 470 in america when in america we know theyve hacked into both parties, i just think theres a lot more questions to be answered and thats why were going to have the public hearing come next month. Do you have access to more data than we have publicly with regard to facebook . I wish i could tell you yes. We do not. I know theyre going to come back in shortly. What they did so far was they, in effect, showed us certain things to the staff and then took those materials away, which, again, raises questions in my mind that we may need legislative changes, both in terms of tightening up the restrictions about foreign money flowing in to our elections but also, you know, i think as an american, if somebodys putting a political ad for me or against me, americans ought to be able to go and look at that content. That happens on tv. That happens on the radio. That happens on newspaper ads. If this moment in time that does not happen in social media and in the internet world. Senator mark warner, thank you. Thank you, chris. All right. Tonight we are following desperate human terrier situations in the wake of two different natural disasters. The entire island of the American Island of puerto rico, 3. 5 million american who is live there without power and Running Water right now after Hurricane Maria devastated the island today as a category 4, while in mexico we now have at least 230 people confirmed dead from yesterdays 7. 1 magnitude earthquake. Theres a frantic search at this very moment for survivors amidst the rubble. Well have a live report from puerto rico and mexico city ahead. First, the growing backlash to the lastminute republican effort to scrap obamacare. Thats next in two minutes. Oh, look. Another antiwrinkle cream in no hurry to make anything happen. Neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair® works in just one week. With the fastest retinol formula available. Its clinically proven to work on fine lines and wrinkles. One week . That definitely works rapid wrinkle repair®. And for dark spots, rapid tone repair. Neutrogena®. See whats possible. 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That number skyrocketing to more than 4 trillion, thats correct, over a 20year period because the funding runs out. Meanwhile, just about every professional, medical and Industry Group opposes the legislation as they have previous versions, including Americas Health insurance plans and bluecross blue shield association, both representing insurers. Then theres the American Medical Association and a coalition of 16 patient and provider groups that include groups like the American Cancer Society and the march of dimes. Today, new Jersey Governor Chris Christie came out against Graham Cassidy echoing other highprofile republican governors who signed a letter in opposition to the bill. Perhaps the biggest blow came from the latenight talk show Host Jimmy Kimmel inspiring what senator bill cassidy, who is a cosponsor of this current bill called the jimmy kimmel test. Last night, kimmel said cassidys own plan fails that test. Now, i dont know what happened to bill cassidy, but when he was on this publicity tour, he listed his demands for a Health Care Bill very quickly. These were his words. He said he wants coverage for all, no discrimination based on preexisting conditions and no lifetime caps. And guess what, the new bill does none of those things. Not only did bill cassidy fail the jimmy kimmel test, he failed the bill cassidy test. He failed his own test. You dont see that happen very much. And this guy, bill cassidy, just lied right to my face. Call your congress person. 2022243121. You cant just click like on this video. Tell them this bill doesnt pass your test. The cosponsor of the bill Lindsey Graham was asked for his response. I wish he would have asked senator cassidy if its true. He bought it hook, line and sinker and i dont like the idea of calling this good man a liar without ever talking to him first. That really says more about mr. Kimmel than dr. Cassidy. But states would be able to cover people with preexisting conditions thats garbage. Thats absolute garbage. The legislation specifically says that the state applying for a waiver would have to ensure that those with preexisting conditions would have access to adequate and affordable coverage. Senator tim kaine was the democratic Vice President ial candidate in 2016. So you saw your colleagues call this idea that theres now protections for folks with preexisting conditions garbage. Are they right . Chris, this does not protect people with preexisting conditions and thats one of the three horrible aspects of the Graham Cassidy bill. Lets talk about it. They are saying, no, we protect you. But states get the right to waive essential Health Benefits which right now they cannot waive. They have to be provided. So you could basically get a policy written on somebody with diabetes. We can get you a policy but it doesnt cover insulin. Im a woman, id like maternity care. Were going to write you a policy, it just doesnt cover maternity care. You ought to be able to get coverage that includes coverage for your condition but the waiver of essential Health Benefits allows states to write you a policy that doesnt even cover the condition that you have and thats why the bill flunks the kimmel test and everybody with a preexisting condition is scared to death about what this bill would mean. I want to give you an argument which is that in order to get the waiver, the state has to certify that people have access to Affordable Care. Thats what you saw senator cassidy talking about. Do you think that essentially wont mean anything when implemented . Chris hayes, a state would say that and then it would be up to tom price, who hates the Affordable Care act, who hates medicaid, who is against all of these programs, it would be up to him to say, oh, yeah, i agree with you. Youre fine. Theres no protection. Its going to be a race to the bottom and the preexisting condition argument is a slight of hand. Theyll right you a policy but it doesnt have to cover the condition that you have. And thats why jimmy kimmel says youve got to be kidding me. Now well move to the second bad part of this bill. I want to ask you about another part of this. Maybe this is what youre moving on to, which is about this strange interstate transfer of money. Yeah. Weird. It is weird. Weird. Although, youre in a sort of opposite position as someone, say, like rob portman. Hes in ohio where they have medicaid expansion. Ohio is going to be a net loser. You represent virginia which hasnt expanded and which has stands to gain essentially in fact, senator cassidy is shouting out virginia as a beneficiary of this bill. If youre going to get more money under this, why dont you like it . In the short term. And youre right, this is the second bad piece of this bill. You take all of the money right now that were spending on the Affordable Care act over the next ten years you reduce that by 240 million, which drives premiums up and then at the end of ten years you eliminate it. But then to obscure it, you shuffle it all around in the first ten years so some states get more, some states get less. Bottom line is, the money thats coming to people under obamacare gets slashed by 240 billion over the next ten years and then completely eliminated. Theyre trying to buy a few states off by giving some states a little more and others get less. But you cant take 240 billion out of this. Most of that money is tax credits to help people buy insurance. So if you take that money out, you can reshuffle it all you want, taking 240 billion out increases premiums and hurts people and the estimate is, capped at an estimate that said about 800,000 virginians could stand to lose coverage. Again, just like the preexisting condition thing, they are going through a lot of efforts to hide what is really happening and now let me get to the third part of the bill which is the worst part of it. They say this is repeal and replace obamacare but why go after medicaid . This is what they did in even the house didnt go after the base Medicaid Program but the senate did and this bill does, too. It puts caps on the Medicaid Program, the core Medicaid Program that existed before there was the Affordable Care act and those caps would take about 120 million out of medicaid and the number would grow in future years. Why are they so fixed on trying to attack medicaid . In virginia and most places, 55 to 60 of the recipients of medicaid are children. If you need a wheelchair to go to school, its medicaid thats paying the wheelchair and its usually medicaid reimbursing the School System for the services that theyre providing you. But why are they going after medicaid . This whole thing, in my view, is a big smoke screen. They want to get rid of obamacare but what they really are fixated upon is going after medicaid. The Medicaid Program doesnt have anything to do the core program with obamacare, but thats what theyre going after and they are probably doing it because they can take all of these savings and make it part of their big tax cut plan that theyre going to bring up next month. All right. Senator tim kaine, thank you. Absolutely. Still to come, tom brokaw on what constitutes a scandal. An earthquake in mexico city claims over 200 lives and well go live to puerto rico where the entire island is dark and without power in the wake of Hurricane Maria. At least 230 people are dead in mexico after the 7. 1 magnitude earthquake that hit yesterday and that number is expected to rise. Rescuers are still shifting through the rubble of dozens of fallen buildings and rushing survivors to medical help. Ron mott is live there. What are you seeing there . Reporter hey there, chris. Good evening. We know that there are known survivors in this building behind me. Ill step out of the way. We have a thunderstorm cell right on top of us that dropped some hailstones on us as well. I can see the rescuers are back out on top of this building. Its a sixstory building that was an Employment Agency and so at the lunch hour yesterday, it was crowded, especially with a lot of young people looking for work. We do know that on the fourth floor of this building that there was a group of people who were trapped in a Conference Room and they are trapped in what they are calling now for lack of a better phrase, if you will, the triangle of life. The floor above them has collapsed as an angle giving them some room to breathe, literally, and the backside is a wall that you can see on the portion of the building that did not collapse and so rescuers have been working all day, since this earthquake hit yesterday afternoon, trying to get a tunnel built to try to get to them to get them out of there. We know that they have spoken with them, they have gotten them some water and some food. Their family members have been told on the scene that they are okay and now its just a matter of time for them to get them out of there. There are engineers up there as part of this team helping to rescue these folks. Again, this is a scene thats repeated around mexicos capital city. More than 40 buildings collapsed here, one including today and another that is at risk of collapsing. So there are a lot of vulnerable buildings still in the capital city tonight and a lot of folks are still out tonight waiting for good word here at this scene if they can get these between 12 and 14 people out. We do not know how many of those 14 who were still listed as in the building and perhaps stranded there are still alive. But we know that there are people alive in this building and folks are waiting and well wait all night for good word to come out of this rubble behind me. Chris . Ron mott, thank you for that. In puerto rico, more than 3 Million People are without power. Electricity could be out for months. We go live to puerto rico next. The entire island of puerto rico is without power tonight after Hurricane Maria made landfall as a category 4 earlier today. Topping trees, tearing off roofs and causing widespread flooding. As more than 3 million americans assess the devastation, officials are warning the island could be without power for months. Nbcs Gadi Schwartz is live from puerto rico. Whats it like there . Reporter chris, you were just talking about the lack of power here. I have to apologize, the picture may get pixelated. The power is out all around us. Its very dark. We just got out of the hurricane shelter where we spent 24 hours bunkered down. This is a classroom. I want to show you this, this is basically wrought iron windows boarded up and the flame just blew out from the strength of these hurricaneforce winds. In fact, over there there is a cooler, some type of swamp cooler that is hanging on by a couple of wires, a very dangerous situation. Inside of this classroom, we can see things just tossed all about. In fact, thats a little kids cubby. Fortunately, no one was inside. This is the type of devastation that were seeing just less than a mile away from the shelter where we were hunkered down throughout the storm. Chris . Gadi schwartz, please stay safe. Still to come, tom price in charge of fiscal responsibility reportedly spent about 60,000 in private jets in just three days. That story and tom brokaw on what counts as a scandal in the age of trump. Plus, a geography lesson for the president in thing 1 and thing 2 next. Got a minute . Not for me, for you. Aveeno® positively radiant 60 second inshower facial. Works with steam to reveal glowing skin in just one minute. Aveeno® naturally beautiful results® thing 1 tonight, every now and then donald trump likes to go on about his knowledge of africa. He made a name for his self claiming that his predecessor was from there. South africa is a crime ridden mess that is waiting to explode. Thanks, mr. Trump. African leaders didnt appear too impressed by the president s speech. Today at a u. N. Lunch, the president suggested that the u. S. Could benefit from teaming up with nations on the african continent and then praised the Health Care System of an african country that does not exist. Uganda has made incredible strides in the battle against hiv aids. In new guinea, you fought a horrifying outbreak. Nambia is incredibly selfsufficient. Nambia who is incredibly selfsufficient, nambia doesnt exist. Its possible the president meant zambia. As i can personally attest to, reading this, it happens all the time from a teleprompter. What doesnt happen all the time is the other thing that the president told African Leaders today and thats thing 2 in one minute. Before President Trump numbered the name of african nation at a u. N. Lunch today with African Leaders, he appeared to mar val at African Business leaders. Africa has tremendous business potential. I have so many friends going to your countries trying to get rich. I congratulate you. Theyre spending a lot of money. Congratulations. The president tends to view places on the globe in terms of Business Opportunities and opportunities for profit so its really only a matter of time until someone tries to pitch him on a trump tower in nambia. Many people are saying its getting recognized more and more. As the head of the department of health and human services, tom price has defended cuts from medicaid, 6 billion to National Institutes of health and 18 in cuts to his own department and he loves, loves to stress his commitment to fiscal responsibility. As he did back in 2009, in an effort to buy private jets to transport members of the military including members of congress. I think weve made it halfway where we ought to and that is cut it from eight to four jets. Now we need to cut it from four jets to zero jets. This is just another example of a fiscal irresponsibility run amok in congress right now. Private jets, fiscal irresponsibility run amok. That was tom price then. This is tom price now. Youre looking at the 30seat private jet that price and Kellyanne Conway took last week from washington, d. C. , to philadelphia and back at a cost of around 25,000. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. Tom prices private jet problem right after this. No, im scheduling time to go to the bank to get a mortgage. Ugh, youre using a vacation day to go to the bank . I know, right . Just go to lendingtree dot com. Get up to five loan offers to compare side by side for free. Wow, thats great. Wait, how did you get in my kitchen . Oh, i followed a raccoon in through your doggie door. [gasps] get a Better Mortgage on your schedule. Not the banks. Lendingtree. When banks compete, you win. Just think of em as a big cat. With rabies. According to some incredible reporting from politico, tom price, a man who pushes for massive spending cuts, spent around 60,000 in taxpayer money on private jets during just a threeday period last week. That included a flight from washington, d. C. , to philadelphia and back on a 30seat private charter at a cost of that he is really astounding 25,000. Heres the things. D. C. And philly are less than 150 miles apart and theres no lack of options to get from one to the other. Price spent 25,000 of taxpayer money to charter the private jet. Even at the last minute, a round trip flight which itself is a bit much, just 150 apart, would cost at most 725. Thats a lot less than 25,000. The most expensive train from d. C. To philly and back, when we looked at it this afternoon, it was 544 per person. The cost to drive there and back between gas and tolls comes in at 92. That means price could have saved taxpayers over 24,000 if he just drove 2 1 2 hours there and back. Asked to explain, when commercial aircraft cannot reasonably accommodate travel requirements, prices charter left Dulles Airport at 8 27 and a United Airlines flight departed for philadelphia at 8 22. Remember, the 60,000 that price spent on private jets came during just a threeday period last week. Current and former staffers tell politico hes been taking private jets for months. Someone who knows exactly how unusual this kind of behavior is, former white house cabinet secretary chris lu, also deputy secretary for the department of labor under president obama and he joins me now. Chris, did you take a lot of private chartered jets you were the person in the white house that was with various cabinet heads. Was this a standard thing that you guys would do . Absolutely not. This was not a standard thing. I guess tom price probably didnt want to ride on a plane with the peoples whose health care hes taking away. Seriously, leaving aside the the money came in a threeday period last week. Money is appropriated by congress right . So if the hhs in Trump Administration wants to allocate millions of dollars so secretary flies around on chartered jets can do it legally right . Its just a question of priorities. Thats exactly right. Price of supporting a budget that cuts medical research. Cutting advertising for obamacare, for navigators to help people sign up. Ill defer to ethics experts whether its allowed but its poor use of Government Resources that could go to people who really need the assistance. Expecting that he flew from one quadrant of d. C. To another as the story. Thanks. Thank you. H. W. Bushs chief of staff john sununu resigned in part due to improper use of aircraft. President s chief of staff is out. Resigned so not to be a drag on president s success. Joked that he was pussy cat but george bush lost confidence in him over use of government transportation for personal to improper use of aircraft. President s chief of staff is out. Resigned so not to be a drag on president s success. Joked that he was pussy cat but george bush lost confidence in him over use of government transportation for personal travel. Joining me now is tom brokaw, its a pleasure to have you. When i read the story i was reminded of the monday night espn crew, wanted to say come on man, couldnt believe be that brash and brazen and tone deaf about what theyre up to. Im a peripatetic traveler. I like private planes as much as anybody else. But i dont want to make the drive to dulles but hire a car and driver and be there in center of the city in efficient fashion. These are the people came to drain the swamp, outraged by had a was going on here. Beginning of the Obama Administration brought michelle to new york for dinner date and blown up for that. Learned his lesson in a hurry with good reason by the way. This is is outrageous example of arrogance. Member of congress charged with health care in america and committee Trading Health care stocks at the time. Glad you brought that up. Price in particular had serious ethical questions in the confirmation hearing if not perhaps legal ones. Reporting that u. S. Attorney for Southern District who was then fired by trump was investigating it. But clearly trading in stocks he had regulatory of in the committee. And then this, in another iteration would have harder time being confirmed. No question. Republican majority in house and senate. Coming in with immediate feel of good will. Going to get things done, with he can do this. Secretary of treasury, mnuchin is also using government checks, talking about it like its his entitlement. I dont know if it comes from arrogance or mnuchin came out of the private secretary, wealthy guy that could call up an airplane. But price has been in congress for 14 years and overlooking these issues. Members of congress fly commercial all the time. Going in and out of d. C. Airports seeing them going back to districts and states, used to it. Question i had and one of the reasons i wanted to talk to you, question of what constitutes a scandal. Sununu was a huge deal. He was chief of staff for the president of United States and bounced essentially for using government jets too much. And not just government jets, but fact is he didnt go as far as secretary price did. Government car to drive him from washington to new york. That was big one right . Drive 4 1 2 hours. Looking at rare coins up here and driven back. There is that sense, when they get to washington, have enormous power, push a button, get whatever they want, think theyre immune, but these are the people going to change the rules. Stop and think if any member of the Obama Administration had done Something Like that, where social media would be, fox news would be aflame with what is going on. So there are abuses across the board in government, no question. But this is prima facie, i dont know how they can defend it in any fashion. Really dont. Do you think our standards one of the things thats happened in the era is hard to keep up with things. Scott pruitt is under investigation for flying back to oklahoma and that barely rated a mention. I guess my question to you, do you think the standard for what we identify as scandal has changed over time or just this particular administration is such a barrage of news its hard to pull out . Lot of people in Republican Administration come if wealth and privilege and extend that when they come to government. Get used to. In oklahoma, i cant say but probably had access to planes whenever they wanted it. But i do think the administration that comes in going to drain the swamp, change things, represent the populace, break up old gang in washington and be more responsive to your values cant turn around and do this. President , amount of time spending at maralargo and golf courses is also an issue. Cant think of president in recent years could have gotten away with it. Ronald reagan liked to ride. Out with his pants and boots but knew it was terrible image. Dialled it down. Cant do that anymore mr. President , its image and symbolic in way we dont want. Interesting you bring that up. One concession is in the beginning Melania Trump and barron in new york city and donald trump in i was respectful of the continuity of the school year so i didnt judge it but very expensive. Thats the one concession that came to a close. Not entirely immune from the critiques. No. And sometimes a hard transition from having everything you want as president had. I was going in and out of West Palm Beach when he was first going to maralargo, people with the same wealth he does, they were furious because they couldnt move in the airport, tying up entire section of the airport and lot of the freeways with the motorcade. This is an adjustment that needs to be made when you come to the country and say im going to change things, thats really the test of this one. Ultimate check it seems to me is ultimately Public Opinion right . If people read this story about tom price and say its fine with me, ultimately thats the thing that theres ethical and legal restraints but thats biggest one. I think there is something to that. But in any sensible mainstream america, if you say here are the numbers for example picked philadelphia because its easy but resort in middle of maine, harder to get to. I would have blown to boston commercially and car and driver to drive extra two hours. Even if someone else was paying for it, not comfortable with that. Lot better for me. Having said that. I like charter planes, no question about that. But at the same time theres a tick that goes off. Should be a tick in your head even if someone else other than taxpayers is paying for it. Thats all