Campuses, in part because many students feel that going to an elite Undergrad Institution is not going to improve their chances in the economy. Eli stoeblckoles, heidi przybyla, and jason johnson. Tonight on all in. I got the white supremacist, the neonazi, i got them all. What the president did this summer. Kkk, we got kkk. I got em all. Response to charlottesville. Very fine people on both sides. The response in north korea. They will be met with fire and fury the response to ht hurricane. The intensifying Russia Investigation. My son is a wonderful young man. He took a meeting with a russian lawyer. The fights with his own disa. Where america stands after its first summer of trump. I dont think anyone is interested in having a shutdown. No chance, we wont raise the debt ceiling. No chance. Networ americas not going to default. We have to close down our government, were building that wall. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york, im chris hayes. This is normally the time of year, right after the labor day weekend, when Congress Returns to washington, after a slow and sleepy recess, and the news cycle finally starts to crank back up again. But this year, with this president , hardly a summer day passed by without some big bombshell story. Huge developments in the Russia Investigation, a near crisis with north korea, the infamous two sides response to the violence in charlottesville, steve bannon was fired, transgender troops were banned, sort of, and Sheriff Joe Arpaio was pardoned. And that was just in august. Most president s head into their first september hoping the wind at their back can help drive a
busy legislative agenda. This president ends the Summer Setting records with his dismally low Approval Ratings, including the lowest park ever for a president in his first year. By the end of last month, the president was at 34 . To help with the summer of trump in perspective, im joined by harry enton, senior Political Writer for 358, tara dowdel, and jess mcintosh, a former adviser for the Clinton Campaign and current Executive Editor of share blue. Good to have you here. Lets start with a snapshot of where the president is political my. Maybe ill start with you, because you do a lot of analysis of polling. How would you characterize where the president is politically . Lowest ive ever seen. Those numbers tell the story, dont they . Look at the president s disApproval Rating. Already in the high 50s. His net Approval Rating, more than 20 Percentage Points of the country disapprove than approve of the president. Weve simply never seen that. I guess if we had polling back with warren g. Harding we would,
watching the president. There was literally one day of an eclipse that was the one slowdown. And i remembered watching the eclipse News Cycle Play out, i was like, this is what news cycles used to be like. But instead, were all tuned into this. And of course, a small piece of his base is eroding every time he does something massively unpopular, really racist, really bigoted. Every time he fails to enact some piece of his agenda that his base was excited about doing. He hasnt done anything that they wanted and hes done so much that the rest of the condition didnt want. I think the polls are more important than usual, because america has this we need to know that there are more people who dont like this than there are. But i want to ask you this as someone who worked in the Clinton Campaign. Because i feel like im not saying this is not true. The polling is what the polling is. Hes clearly very unpopular. He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes. So its not surprising in some ways, right . But there was also this sense that people said very similar things about him during the
campaign, which he ended up winning, right . Yes. That his Approval Ratings are in the 30s, hes incredibly unpopular, ya dada yada. Are you haunted in some part of your mind . Like we maybe got it wrong that time. I am haunted regularly, always. But, it was a hypothetical then and now its real. So youre saying thats the difference. The difference is between, im going to vote for this person and what im going to do is vote and then well see what hes like to this is what hes like. How many people voted for him because they thought he would drain the swamp. How many people voted for him because they thought he would keep out muslims and build a wall. Thats what they thought they would do, but hes not doing that. And its negative polarization. That is still with us. People are motivated by the people they dont want to see in the office. So the support that he retains, i think, when he has those flashpoint moments, thats when he retains it. Thats when the media is ganging
up on him and he can just say, its all fake news and were against them. But if we wipe away all the crazy headlines and the fog and the Nonstop News Soik here. What were seeing with the Trump Administration from the getgo is the same thing that republicans and libertarians criticized obama at in his second term, which is, its just a pen and a phone. There isnt a lot of legislation happening. Which is usually not whats happening in your first hundred days, first year. Particularly when you have congress, thats when you do it. And he has spent a lot of his capital burning his capital. Hes going after jeff flake and dean heller. Hes trying to primary people and reshape the Republican Party to be more trumpy. And this is making a lot of republican senators really unhappy. Thats not going to get tax reform done. Do you think that matters . So, theres two issues, right . Theres the general sense of how popular he is. And then theres how that connects to whi s ts to what ki influence, power, and capital he has to spend on capitol hill. How do you think those two relate at this moment . Ill play devils advocate a little bit here. I think with respect to trumps
base, while maybe there are portions of it that have evoed roded, theres a lot of talk about sort of the Working Class people that voted for him. But a lot of very wealthy people in this country, a lot of educated people this this country voted for donald trump. The best oneword summary of who voted for donald trump is republicans. Republicans voted for donald trump. Like, if youre trying to figure out republicans voted for donald trump by overwhelming margins. Particularly a slice of people that didnt like him in the primary and maybe arent crazy about him now. So i think those people are eroding, but with respect to his core base, and i call them fans, he has a cultlike following in this cub. And he is putting on the greatest reality show hes ever put on. This is what hes doing. Hes entertaining these people, they like the fact that some people actually like the fact that nothings happening. Because they wanted him to quote unquote blow up washington. And thats exactly what hes doing. So some people have sort of bought into that rationale and they use it to justify
continuing to support him. So i think that we shouldnt underestimate the strength of who hes performing for. Hes performing for those fans and those fans still support him. I think theres an important distinction there. There are some people who Support Trump or support him in spite of the antics and the personality. And there are some people who support him primarily because of that. And its the latter category that i think are the fans and the base that are the 30 or what. Its the more marginal voters who are the people that are where a lot of the political leverage is, particularly when republicans on capitol hill are thinking about it. Ill say two things. Number one, trumps Approval Rating among republicans in the latest gallup weekly poll was below 80 . Thats amazing. You would expect your Republican Base to be overwhelmingly support you, not just four out of five. The other thing i pointed out, the Pew Research Center had a great question. How do you approve of the president s not just his performance, but his attitude and conduct in office . And only 14 of americans said
they liked it. In fact, the plurality of republicans said they had mixed feelings. They do not necessarily like this show. There are some people who certainly do, who want to burn everything to the ground. But most people who voted for donald trump were hoping that he would actually do something. And if you look at the legislation passed so far, i think the opinion is he really hasnt. And that brings us to whether he has any sway on capitol hill. We saw he really didnt during the health care fight. He did a little bit in the house, i think theyre a little more responsive to him, those are gerrymandered districts. Those are districts where a primary from a trumpbacked perp could spell the end of your political career. But in the senate, not only does he not have any sway, he doesnt appear to have the tools or comprehension necessary to make a Policy Argument to people, which actually do matter. He didnt try. Like, he never tried to have policy sway. Every time he gives a speech or a rally, its about himself. Hes never i mean, he tried to give a tax speech just last week and it was about himself and eventually an attack on claire mccaskill. I did not walk away from that speech knowing what his tax plan
was going to be. And i think that the republicans on the hill had to have been really disappointed in that. Hes just not hes not able to and hes not willing to learn how. But lets separate the legislative trump agenda and what tara is saying. The guy has control over the kpes Executive Branch of government. And hes doing things or trying to do things, some of which i like and the rest of you may not, in terms of reforms at the food and drug administration. Hes got people who are working on Regulatory Reform in a lot of different places you were right the first time. I saw you catch yourself. But, so, that is happening apace and some of the only legislation thats opinion passed by Kopg Ththe Congressio Review Act For The Second And 14th Times in history. Thats different and a real thing thats happening. Its gotten way undercovered because we Pay Attention to flash grenades. And to me the most significant is whats happening with dhs and i. C. E. And whats happening with immigration. Its very different in terms of
whos being detained and how often. And doj with Jeff Sessions, who hasnt done every terrible thing he wants to do, but wishes he could. But ultimately, you get judged by legislative accomplishments, both at the ballot box thats not true. You get judged by how peoples lives are going. And right now the economy continues to hum along. Do you if you had to make a prediction about whether he can get people onboard for any big bills passed this fall, what do you think . I think hes going to have a really tough time doing so. Because trumps worst enemy is trump, right . So he he misses to your point, he misses opportunities. When he does have the bully pulpit, but he cant help himself and he has to use it to attack someone. I want to make another point, though. With Trump Supporters, because i think that we have to not underestimate trump, as a democrat, i think we have to be very careful that we dont underestimate. There also was a poll that came out that said a massive number of republicans think that the media is a bigger threat than white supremacists. White supremacy yes that is clearly trumps influence. 40 total thought the news media was more a threat than white supremacists. And for trump voters, its 75 . Look how much stronger trump is against the news media than he is against white supremacists, of course they think that. And i want to talk about that. Stay with me. Because in two minutes, i want to talk specifically about the president s response to charlottesville. Thats right after the break. Coming up later in the hour, we have a special retrospective, a look at the incredibly shrinking administration. The era of the pajama boy is over january 20th and the alpha males are back. Im Milissa Rehberger with your top stories. Ahead of the president s expected announcement tomorrow on 800,000 young immigrants, some republicans in congress are calling for him to keep the daca program. Republican lawmakers like James Langford of oklahoma say its wrong to hold children accountable for their parents decision to bring them to this
country. And aaa says average gas prices this Holiday Weekend are up about 12 cents a gallon after Hurricane Harvey knocked refineries offline. All all in with Chris Hayesai after this. Aggressive styling, so you can break away from everyone else. The bold lexus is. Experience amazing. Club in new jersey, the president gave his first remarks on the attack, saying he blamed for both sides on what unfolded. The comment drew swift criticism. A day later, he gave another statement, a scripted condemnation of the hate groups involved. But then tuesday came, and in an impromptu prmess conference, donald trump reached what may have been the lowest point of his proteesidency. Ive condemned neonazis, ive condemned many different groups, but not all of those people were neonazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists, by any stretch. You had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both side sides. Why that the postcharlottesville moment, more than any moment, of all weve talked about, the news cycles of trump, seemed to hit something. It seemed to strike some core
nerve in people. And theres evidence of that. Theres some evidence in the polling, but also in terms of the business groups leaving and being denounced. Why . He sympathized with nazis. Weve never had an american president do that before in our lifetime. I think its that simple. Those arent american values, any can quote the secretary of state, his own secretary of state. America does not condone those values. America fights nazis. And here we have this person who is giving the exact inverse of what he said about mexicamexica that first day that he announced his candidacy for president , he said, theyre sending racists and some, with i suppose are okay. He said the exact inverse about nazis. There are a lot of good people in there. Some are obviously bad, but overall i think some people on the right kind of scared themselves. I think some even who identified in the altright scared themselves. Theres a good piece in the new York Magazine about the end of the nazi is over because they
actually marched and actually had arm bands on there, like, oh, ive got a tiki torch and outside a black church, What The Hell am i doing . Scared themselves. Thats a very interesting idea. This harkens back to a speech in warsaw, it was really weirdly apocalyptic about how the west will never ever, ever fall. And he was going to defend us against this sort of imminent fall. And who were the people that were going to undermine this apparently fragile west thats been pretty successful over the last 250 years . It was obviously islamic terrorists. But it was also faceless bureau cat accurates who dont understand our value or in the language cherish our history. So theyre trying to make us all this kind of one person. That kind of sense of apocalyptic clinching of a narrow view of what Western Civilization is, he has that in common with the protesters in charlottesville, even if thats im not saying that, well, hes a racist or a white supremacist, but thats a common trope on the white, at this moment. And a lot of people who realize
that and have, including a lot of republicans, like, oh, crap, this is where were going with all of this. I think im curious to get your feedback, too, on one of the things that was so revealing about it was, the initial reaction, he ad libbed both sides. He had a prepared statement. He ad libbed both sides, and then came out with the scripted statement, and then that tuesday press conference. And another Breaking Point was, i think in peoples imaginations, like, dont believe anything anyone writes for this guy. Like, dont just dont chalk it up to him. Right. Just only listen to what he says when hes unscripted. Because thats when youre actually getting him. Exactly. And heres the thing. He was so angry that he did not get a positive reception to his remake of what he had said. And thats why he came out. Because he didnt want to make those scripted remarks, he didnt want to make against his will, thats right. He didnt want to make those remarks. So then he felt justified when he Wasnt Given ItWill Adoration Ande Edand Adieulatio giving those remarks. I want to show this, when he was in phoenix, like, hes the victim. What more do you want of me . Ive gone after all of them. Take a listen. I hit em with neonazi, i hit em with everything. I got the white supremacist, the neonazi, i got em all in there. Lets see. Kkk, we have kkk. I got em all. Just literally checking boxes. Hes checking boxes. And its all about him. This is the thing, right . If you look at the preelection polling, over 50 of the American Public thought that racist was a correct adjective to describe donald trump. And i think there were so many people preelection polling . Preelection. And he was still able most of the people who voted for him didnt think that. But remember, he lost the popular vote. Although, lets be clear, there were some who did. There were some. Theres a nonstatistically trivial percentage of voters who thought donald trump was a racist and voted for donald trump. And voted for him, anyway. Not necessarily, anyway. Right, both ways. Right. But ill just say, this just confirms the worst thoughts that Many Americans had about him. And thats why this was such a turning point. Oh, my god, hes doing what we thought he might do. Tara . And i also think it was hard trump couldnt use his bully pulpit and his rhetoric to get himself out of this. People saw the video foot animal of of a car driving into a crowd at top speed a young woman was murdered and bodies flying up into the air. They saw a young woman lose her life for saying that she was standing up against hate and bigotry. They heard people marching, with torches, saying the jews will not replace us. Blood and soil, blood and soil, which is a nazi chant, which they were doing on the friday night march, which is the one that he went out of his way i mean, that was to me the most mind boggling statement. That march, the Tiki Torch March was the one he said he said, the night before, there were some very fine people. Those people, who were swarming outside the synagogue in charlottesville, i mean
and no matter where you got your news from because remember, theres also this Bifurcated Selection news problem that we have in this country. And so, so it didnt matter where you got your news from, you couldnt miss all of that. It was just everywhere. And so thats why i think he took a real it h hit on this, deservedly. And there was no pretense. I looked through the information. The information leading to the unite the right rally, all the iconography and their posters was fascist looking. The people on record were on record saying a lot of racist things. The Monument Protection Society wouldnt join the protest, because they were like, these people are creeping me out. Thank you all so much for your time. Still to come, the is intensifying Russian Investigation. What weve learned. What we still dont know. Where the investigation is headed this fall. Plus, how many people in this picture still work at the white house . The numerous Administration Officials who are gone but not forgotten. I like mr. Bannon. Hes a friend of mine, but mr. Bannon came on very late you know that. But well see what happens with mr. Bannon. But hes a good person and i think the press treats him, frankly, very unfairly. And im still not ready. The reason im telling you this is that there will be moments in your life that. Youll never be ready for. Your little girl getting married being one of them. The whole Country Booking on Choice Hotels. Com. Four words, badda book. Badda boom. Let it sink in. Shouldnt we say we have the lowest price . Nope, badda book. Badda boom. Have you ever stayed with Choice Hotels . Like at a comfort inn . Yep. Free waffles, cant go wrong. I like it. Promote that guy. Get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed. When you book direct at choicehotels. Com. Book now. But he hasoke up wwork to do. In. So he took aleve. If hed taken tylenol,
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I will remember you photographs of the inaugural proceedings were intentionally framed in a way to minimize the enormous support that had gathered on the national mall. In a stunning staff shuffle tonight, a familiar face stepping down, this shake up, the sixth, just six months into this young mrnadministration. This was the alarmest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period. Sarah Huckabee Sanders is going to be the Press Secretary oh, you cant hear me . Im sorry. Better . Better now . Better now . You guys heard me in the front, though . Whatd i say, john . Reporter tonight, a major staff shake up in the embattled west wing. Chief of staff Reince Priebus is out. He intuitively determined that it was time to do something different. And i think hes right. Reince priebus is a believe paranoid skitz freng and what hes going to do, maybe if i leak something and see if i can [ bleep ] these people. 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Nitrites or Artificial Ham has preservatives. Tes, now its good for us all. Like those who like. Sweet those who prefer heat. Sfx a breath of air and those who just love meat. Oscar mayer deli fresh. Sweet its easy to lose track of the many developments in the Russia Investigation or just the last few months. Remember, in july, when news broke that donald trump jr. Took a meeting with a russian lawyer during the president ial election, a meeting that was pic pitched as the russian governments explicit interest in helping the Trump Campaign. Don jr. Came out with a statement on the intent of the meeting that we later learned left out basically every key detail. And now that statement is reportedly a matter of interest to special counsel, Robert Mueller, because, it turns out, the president himself had a hand in crafting it, a fact the president s attorney initially denied. Then in august, we learned the fbi had conducted a Surprise Raid of the home of former Trump Campaign chairman, paul manafort, and Robert Mueller issued grand jury subpoenas for the testimony of p. R. Executives who worked with manafort. Now theres the latest
revelations about efforts to build a Trump Tower Moscow during the campaign. As the Bigger Picture starts to come into focus, the question becomes, where does the Investigation Go from here . We have just the people to talk about that, former watergate prosecutor, nick ackerman, whos been following the Russia Developments with all summer. Rebecca trayster. Maria hiddnojosa, and josh barr, Senior Editor at business insider. Nick, let me start with you. Youve been very clued into this and you also have been around, done this rodeo before. How big are the developments of this summer . Huge pip mean, the biggest development, i think the key one is the meeting that took place at trump tower, on june 9th. I mean, that is going to be the focal point of every investigation. When we learned that, i had a great moment in the snl skit of lester holt interviewing donald trump, where he like admits he was thinking about russia, with james comey. And michael shea playing lester
holt was like, did i get him . Like, is that it . Like, you just admitted it. And that email felt like just, okay, did we we have it, right . We have the evidence here . Not completely. Not completely. I think theres more to it. The question is the documents that were promised to be brought to that meeting. Interestingly, nobody has fessed up to those documents. But we do know that two months the dirt on Hillary Clinton. That was the idea delivering dirt on Hillary Clinton . And we do know two months prior to that meeting that go z guccifer and the russians had hacked into Hillary Clintons Campaign Office and had retri e retrieved emails and documents. Thats a great point. We also know that two weeks after that meeting, all of a sudden, those documents appear on the internet and then appear on wikileaks, and we also know that roger stone, the president s chief kind of dirty tricks guy, was in contact with Julian Assange and guccifer, immediately after that meeting on june 9th. I think theres lots of questions there. Rebecca, you covered the Clinton Campaign. And one of the things that strikes me when i go back and look at the Campaign Footage is how much they were talking about this, from the beginning. It is striking to go back to debates and realize, like, it was all happening in realtime and the Clinton Campaignrealtim. Yeah, Hillary Clinton was talking about so many of the details. I saw a clip of her talking about joe arpaio. She was talking about so much, but especially about russia. They clearly were keeping track of this as best they could and trying to piece things together as best they could. But it wasnt sinking in. They werent listening. I wasnt listening. As someone who was covering the campaign, i wasnt thinking about russias role. I was listening, but i dont know, it was a claim of an opponent against another opponent. It wasnt it didnt feel real. You know, i was paying attention, but trying not to get sucked into a conspiracy theory, you know . And that was the dynamic in play, because lots of people on the left were also saying, this is crazy conspiracy theory. Th this couldnt be real. And im a little bit concerned. As someone who actually had to do the Bomb Shelter Thing when i was a kid in grade school, ive been hyperaware of it. And i am a political junkie, like all of us, right . So everything were watching, every step, but i do worry, out there. Kind of like when i was a kid, watching watergate, and you just heard all the names and they were just kind of flying by you and it just becomes this huge thing. Thats what im concerned about. That for everybody else, it can continue to be this thing that donald trump will say, oh, you see, its just them coming after me. And i wonder how we as a country and as journalists kind of flip it. Well, i think watergate is sort of an interesting precedent, right . It was like all these names, and eventually, it wasnt. Exactly. I think the other thing we dont have yet is an indication of a specific policy action for russia in exchange for this. I think the problem with this as an issue is sort of, did we this is a disinformation campaign. If you show, yeah, russia did this, and yeah, trump knew about
it and mad conversations with him about it, fundamentally the mechanism by which the election was influenced is that americans received the information and decided to vote for donald trump instead of Hillary Clinton. Youre never going to convince people that that was the error that they hacked into americans minds and caused them to vote the wrong way. Ultimately, the final decision was made by American Voters. So this never ends up adding up to like russia stole the election . Because it was American Voters the crime, it is worthwhile to keep in mind, the crime was committed. Theres a crime. Criminal intrusion of emails is a crime. But thats not a crime committed by the Trump Campaign. But its a political question. There probably will be indictments of various people. But the decision about whether this ends the Trump Administration says political question with congress and other actors. Thats true pip also think that to me, i have had my own journey on this. That that meeting to me, that meeting the meeting email was an important one for this reason. I did not think the day before that email came out that that
email would have existed. That seemed implausible and cartoonish and conspiratorial against all imaginings. And it came out and that altered my priors about what im expecting to come out. But you add to that email exactly the explanation that donald trump wrote for his son, which is so antiseptic they lied. They lied and they put in a statement by kushner, which also dovetails with juniors statement. Its like classic investigation. You get two guys who come in, they give you a totally nonsense story. And then youve got the opportunity to chip away at it. Right. I think there is this psychological issue, though, for a lot of regular americans, and those of us political junkies who are watching this and watching these headlines and being surprised, oh, my god, did we get him . Is that it . Thats it . Right . We now know this happened . Which is, is there going to be a point where anybody can say, okay, now a mechanism is going to kick into place. And thats a question, with i dont know, did people ask that throughout watergate and
suddenly there was a mechanism whereby this kicks in . A lot of people are like, we got him, right . But why isnt anything happening . And we feel paralyzed and passive, and whats going to happen next . Heres what i will say. I think mueller is going to do something, at some point. That seems to me, and im curious what you think of it, that when mueller moves, in whatever direction he moves, if he indicts someone, if he releases some report, thats going to be a forcing mechanism, i think, in terms of the public awarene awareness. Maybe not. Yes, but also what happened just recently is donald trump pardoned joe arpaio. So for me as a latina, as a mexican, i kind of get the message. The president is pardoning someone who specifically targeted people just like me, illegally, and the president pardoned him. And hes a political ally. Right. And thats the message. For everybody else, dont worry, were going to im going to pardon you, and a lot of people feel like
that pardon was a signal. Thats what makes the news this week about mueller cooperating with new York Attorney general, eric schneiderman, so important. Because the president cant issue pardons for state crimes. The Attorney General of new york has immense authority to prosecute financial crimes. Theyre doing a lot of financial investigations around at least manafort, maybe other figures. So i think that gives mueller the threat of prosecutions that the president cant interfere with. That also says how advanced that investigation is and how serious its going to get in the fall. And i think thats when mueller starts to move in public ways is when things are really going to change, i think. Republicans head back to the hill to work on the agenda of a president who spent the summer attacking them with key deadlines in the coming weeks. A preview of the major fights to come. Build that wall. Now, the obstructionist democrats would like us not to do it. But believe me, we have to close down our government, were building that wall. Theres febreze fabric refresher. Febreze doesnt just mask, it eliminates odors youve. Gone noseblind to. And try Febreze Unstopables for fabric. With up to twice the fresh scent power, youll want to try it. Again and again and maybe just one more time. Indulge in irresistible freshness. Febreze unstopables. Breathe happy. Ethats the height ofs mount everest. Because each day she chooses to take the stairs. At work, at home. Even on the escalator. That can be hard on her lower body, so now she does it with dr. Scholls orthotics. Clinically proven to relieve and prevent foot, knee or lower back pain, by reducing the shock and stress that travel up her body with every step she takes. So keep on climbing, sarah. Youre killing it. Dr. Scholls. Born to move. Tell the people of texas to expect in terms of longterm Recovery Efforts . And in particular, you have been feuding with some key congressional leaders. Youve also threatened a government shutdown, potentially, next month over border wall funding. Are these going to hamper longterm, the funding that will be needed longterm for recovery . No, jud. Ping that youre going to see very rapid action from congress, certainly from the president. And youre going to get your funding. Hurricane harvey could end up being one of the most costly natural disasters in u. S. History, but when Congress Returns tomorrow, one of the things on the table is a 1 billion cut in Disaster Funding in order to fund Donald Trumps border wall. A wall the president is threatening to do battle with his own party over. Build that wall. Now, the obstructionist democrats would like us not to do it, but believe me, if we have to close down our government, were building that wall. Still with me, nick ackerman, rebec rebecca, maria hinojosa, and
josh barrow. Theyre already basically signaling retreat on the wall fight. Theyre going to blame it on harvey. But theres two ways to think about the wall. Its the symbol theyll never deliver on, because all that matters is the symbol and the thing theyll never do. Which do you see it as . I think that this is going to continue to were going to talk about it, but im not so sure its going to get done. I just dont i was On Park Avenue and i saw the picture on the daily news, i had just come back from being out of the country, and it was like, build the wall, it was trumps face, On Park Avenue, on the daily news. Build the wall or ill kill this government. And thats a point where i think some people are just going to say, i dont this is not the way right, exactly. And theyve already indicated they dont like the politics of it. Now they have the excuse, sort of, frankly, of harvey. And theyre already saying, lets just kick the can on the shutdown fight. My best guess is that this is where we could see the true
explosion or implosion of trumps relationship with congress, which has been a really interesting dynamic for these very long seven or eight months. Because they keep supporting him, they wont, you know, the Republican Leadership is supporting him in these really antidine ways when hes done terrible things. You have paul ryan say things like, racism is bad, but not mentioning donald trump. And the idea is theyre getting something from him. They have majorities, a republican president , this unprecedented amount of power and that they should be getting something because theyre working as a team, so theyre supporting this guy that most of them clearly cant stand and hes a real piece of work. Hes a real piece of work. But we look weak, in fact, because were continuing to support this guy. But his frustrations with them have been building, obviously, were building through health care. Hes now pretty open about his loathing for mitch mcconnell. I mean, theres been good reporting on that, too, that they openly hate each other now. And i think thats coming through on ryan, too. And what happens when that when those bonds of, well, we all have we have these majorities because we want to get our tax cuts for the rich, if that doesnt happen, and if those bonds break down, then what happens . If trump is cut off from his
party as in congress do you think thats make or break . So the setup there being that basically the last big legislative achievement and the domestic policy version of the go gorsuch appointment, which is like the thing that all of us normal conservative and republicans want to see, tax, tax, tax, if that doesnt happen i think its different from health care in that if you dont do tax reform today, you can do it tomorrow. They had to move on from health care because the bill was so unpopular and so politically damage to even talk about that they had to move on from it to try to get to something that they thought was more plausible and a lot of them were more interested in in the first place. I think theyll continue to hold out hope theyll eventually pass something. And the other thing to keep them from breaking out into total warfare, its a disaster in the midterm. If you have them angry with each other, normal republicans who are furious with the president and Trump Supporters who dont Like Congress not sticking them, its a Turnout Disaster for republicans and they all lose. But isnt the dissent already in the open at this point . Like, the fact that theyre sort of in shambles, going into the
midtermses, is becoming evermanufacture evident, right . Well, i dont i mean, the generic Ballot Polling is ugly for them, but not like total disaster range yet. I think theyre complaining more openly. People are less afraid of the president. Rich lowry made a really great point in the column this week, the president by going after Jeff Sessions and not doing anything to him demonstrated tremendous weakness. Even if he was furious with someone, he would complain about them but not really do anything. Thats emboldened other members of the cabinet to rebuke him and other members of congress, as well. Hell tweet about you, but thatll be it. I want to remind people, because we are talking about houston, houston is a majority minority city. The head of the police department, the head of the fire department, it is selina country. You also had i. C. E. And Border Patrol keeping open their checkpoints. So its almost like like, oh, you want to a build a wall . Build the wall 60 miles from houston, actually, which is where that checkpoint is. And that, by the way, for many
latinos who probably voted for trump, in this area, i think this is going to be another moment where, again, its another test. And because its a good point. There are he did not do a do against latino voters. And by the way, there are those in houston who supported him. Whats going to happen to them. Its the chipping away if you will of the potential voters who will come back to reelect him. But this is all a situation where its just reflective of the fact that when it comes to policy, this president doesnt know anything. Right. This wall is ridiculous. The basic foretex at the heart of it all. I want to ask about his relationship to congress, more pointedly what that relationship is particularly in reference to what nickens relationship with with congress. Stay with us. Were going to talk about that after this break. If you have moderate to Severe Ulcerative Colitis or crohns, and your symptoms have left you with the same view, it may be time for a different perspective. If other treatments havent worked well enough, ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohns. Entyvio works by focusing right in the gitract to help control damaging inflammation and is clinically proven to begin helping many patients achieve both Symptom Relief as well as remission. Infusion and serious allergic reactions can happen during or after treatment. Entyvio may increase risk of infection, which can be serious. While not reported with entyvio, pml, a rare, serious Brain Infection caused by a virus may be possible. Tell your doctor if you have an infection, experience frequent infections, or have flulike symptoms, or sores. Liver problems can occur with entyvio. If your uc or crohns medication isnt working for you,
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with. Nick, nick faced a Democratic Congress which is key. Because when we talk about the times that impeachment articles have been pursued, its always been opposition. What do you make what implication does the president s relationship with Congressional Republicans have with how this investigation unfolds . Its huge. Nicken had a Good Relationship with congress in comparison to trump. Really . Weyes. The only reason nixon when the tapes came out, thats when they realized this guy really is a crook. And thats when Barry Goldwater went to the white house and read him to tea leaves and said its time to get out of dodge and thats what happened. I think that you wrote a piece that i thought was interesting where you Business Cli Posited that republicans in congress have been checking him more than maybe people appreciate. And i think theres i didnt
necessarily agree with the column but there is something to it. Yeah. The most significant piece of legislation thats come out of this congress is the rugs sanctions bill taking away what would ordinarily be a prerogative of the president saying we dont trust you to conduct Foreign Affairs with russian, overwhelming bipartisan margins. And then youve head all of these hearings. And the liberals look at the hearing saying that the republicans dont ask good questions. But they dont have to hold these hearings at all. Its a remarkable thing that were a few months into the Republican Administration and Republican Congress and the Senate Committees the white house committees have been embarrassing. But the Senate Committees have been conducting a serious damaging investigation to the president and they dont have to do that. The other part of this, rebecca, talking about the personal feud building. The president , hes not inventing it. He really doesnt like these people. Yeah. And they really dont like him. And at a certain level
personality does matter and its only going to get worse. And it fuels for him the tremendous victim concept. I find this moment terrifying. The Russian Investigation circling in, whatever relationships he had with his own party is disintegrating fast. And he gets scary and unpredictable when hes in a corner. And right now what the setup is everybody is after me. The media is after me, fake news. My own party gets in the way of doing this thing we who is we . Any and my 30 of people who like me. Thats a core base and they want some really scary things. Democrats are obstructionists. Im being persecuted. This is setting up a narrative in which hes the ultimate victim of the witch hunt. Hes been using that phrase for months. And i think that is setting us up for whatever his view of the next chapter is going to be when its the whole world against
trump. And i think that the departures of bannon and gorka from his inner circle going into the outside supports that. The establishment is emptied of his allies. He alone is there. Right. So we were talking about this in terms of like if everything is going to explode and you get really worried and i get very concerned and then i happen to be Interviewing Delores about an hour or so ago, a documentary coming out about her life, supported and created by carlos santana. Hes 87. Has been around the block a long time. Right . So when i asked her, Where Do We Go From Here . How scared are you . Shes just like, you know, those 20,000 people that came out in boston to Bprotest Againt the white supremacists, they were mostly anglo. So he says, thats an amazing organizing opportunity for latinos. Im just like i never would have thought that. So that is where i think on all of us, there is that question of
what is this moment. And by the way, were all exhausted, right . How much more can we do. All of us are exhausted and there are many saying what is the opportunity and how do we engage deeper. Im still asking the guys at the connecticut at the harbor story, so, who did you vote for . He was like, trump and im really regretting it now. Without any prompting. Theres two dynamics. Some set of voters who are moving away. I think rebeccas model for the fall is a really useful one. Trump against the world increasingly. Theyre going to pretend to Work Together for tax reform. I guess the question is i have this line about him where it always feels like the last part of the farce where the guy is going back and forth between if two rooms putting on the mustache and hes about to get felt out. And the last part of the farce keeps going and theres never the ending. Well see the part of the fall