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Panel of the ninth Circuit Court of appeals on whether a district judges temporary restraining order of trumps travel ban will remain in effect as this case works its way through the legal system. The decision could be handed down at any moment and if the temporary restraining order is lifted, that would allow the Trump Administration to reinstate its travel ban immediately. Lawyers representing the state of washington, who are victorious last friday before a lower court argued through its solicitor general that there could be an irreparable harm if the Trump Administrations travel ban went back into effect. We had students and faculty in our State University who are stranded overseas, we had pham families that were separated, we had long time residents who could not travel overseas to visit their family. We have lost tax revenue. The Justice Departments special counsel arguing on behalf of the Trump Administration was asked repeatedly if the administration had shown any evidence of federal offenses in the United States committed by people from the seven affected countries. The Justice Department still had not presented any hard evidence but the special counsel tried to offer this. Well, i was just about to at least mention a few examples. There have been a number of people from somalia connected to al shabab who have been convicted in the United States. Is that in the record . Can you point us to where in the record youre referring . It is not in the record. Joining me now is ari melber, msnbc chief legal correspondent. Ari, its difficult as a layperson to listen to these hearings and get a sense of whether one side or the other got the better of the argument. Yourself as a lawyer when you listen to it, did it seem that one side had an argument that seemed to draw more of those judges affirmation . On the lawyering meaning how good a job they did the doj had a harder time. There were times they couldnt answer the question, there were times where they made assertions that werent in the record, the evidence wasnt put before the court. This is an appeals hearing which means if its not in the lower record generally its not going to be used to make the decision, at least technically speaking. So they had a harder time. They still have a lot of president and law on their sides because as we emphasized in our reporting, theres a huge amount of president ial power in the immigration context. I thought the Washington Attorney general side represented by the solicitor general, they made a lot of strong points and in the beginning it was a big discussion and debate over standing, can you even bring this case. And what Washington State is saying backed up by 97 plus companies is, sure, this harms our economy, it harms the people who work here, it harms the people who live here, it harms people who have families here. Even the judge in boston who ruled for the Trump Administration recognized that in basically saying we are a nation with a rich immigrant history we are interconnected and the pain that comes in breaking up families is severe. In other words, even judges skeptical of this have found that to be a strong case. Does the government does the Trump Administration have to prove that this was not, per se, a muslim ban . That did seem to come up. There were even questions about whether there had been evidence submitted, previous articles or previous quotations from the president from Rudy Giuliani, his adviser and friend, saying it was a muslim ban. Do they have to prove its not per se a muslim ban to prevail . Great question. This came up in two ways in the hearing. First it came up over whether this is even reviewable, thats just legal jargon for do you get into court or not . There are certain things, by the way, the president does, drone attacks being an example, where the courts dont consider that reviewable in the normal course. You could imagine a bad faith use of drones that might make it to court but generally no. So what doj is arguing is this isnt reviewable, you dont get to the look at this. And the judges were what incredulous in their own judgy way were saying well, what would we get to look at this . What if this were a muslim ban . Would we get in to review that and they got a concession from trumps doj that basically said if that were the case, yes, but we continue to maintain its not so thats on getting in the door. Once youre in court, the second way it came up was, of course, rudy. Rudy might be the card carrying member of the aclu that we never knew about because he has helped the challenge, the aclu challenge, his challenge, his comments were brought up friday in the seattle courtroom and brought up again tonight basically as evidence, public evidence, that there is an effort to discriminate against muslims, the challengers say, and that Donald Trumps senior advisers basically took that goal and then found a way to sort of whitewash it for lack of a better term through some legal jargon, some lifts on the books and thats what is going on. So i dont know whether their conversations between Rudy Giuliani and President Trump and the doenl but its such a key part of this because the question here is, is this a lawful use of the authority you have or are you taking an authority you might otherwise have . Yes, you can suspend immigration all sorts of ways but youve done it the wrong way. Me thinks the former mayor might have said too much because hes becoming an issue in this case. Ari melber, you are going to be sitting in for Lawrence Odonnell in the last word and i understand you have the Washington Attorney general bob ferguson on tonight. It will be his first interview since tonights hearing. Excellent, well all tune into that. Thank you, ari, appreciate it. Joining me now is the executive director of Muslim Advocates and former counsel to the Senate Judiciary committee. Thank you very much for being here. Lets talk about whether or not the Trump Administration in your view in this hearing managed to convince, in your view, managed to make a convincing case that this was just part of president ial discretion and it was not per se a muslim ban because it didnt apply to every muslim in every country around the world. Well, good evening, joy, and thanks for having me. Let me first say that today was a good day for democracy regardless of the outcome of this case and i know the judges said they wouldnt be ruling today but they will be ruling very soon. And the reason i say that is because i think during the hearing it became very clear that the government judges were not going to defer to the president when it comes to matters of immigration in this context. It seems like they were quite dismissive of that. Thats crucially important because of whats at stake here for peoples lives and because, unfortunately, we have a president who seems to think that he can run the United States like he has his own personal business and and not be accountable to anyone. One of the arguments that was interesting, one of the questions posed by one of the i think he was a george w. Bush appointee was whether or not the fact that the government can make specific policy about, lets say, cuba or north korea, and make countryspecific policy, does that not permit the Trump Administration to make countries specific policy and just pick these seven countries . So i think this your question, joy, gets to the question of when courts are reviewing a president s decision what should be the standard for that review and i think there are two crucial things here. One is a president s decision should be rooted in the facts, it should have a rational basis and it can not be discriminatory. And in both regards the judges certainly displayed a lot of cynicism and i think broadly from the pleadings that were submitted there was a lot of concern about whether this truly was a rationally based policy. Especially after it was just one week after the president was inaugurated and its clear this policy was created basically by steve bannon and a small group of people immediately around the president , there was not a process with key cabinet officials and agencies, in fact, theres a report that Homeland Security secretary kelly was being asked for his input on the order as the president was signing the order. Does the fact that donald trump during the Campaign Said that he was calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the United States until our countrys representatives can figure out what the hell is going on, the fact that Rudy Giuliani did call it a muslim ban and said that trump called him up and asked how to make it legal, will that wind up being in your view a big factor in how this decision comes down . I think thats going to be a big factor, joy. The reason is because context matters. Its clear the judges are going beyond just reading the literal words on that executive order and they understand theres a context involved here and that includes the president calling repeatedly for a muslim ban and for those people around him, especially steve bannon who had a heavy roll in this policy and his long record of antimuslim an misso thats clear that thats part of the courts consideration. Farhana khera, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. Joining me now, senator jeff merkley of oregon. I want to play for the audience some town were talking about. Were talking about what trump has said in the past. Lets listen to donald trump during the campaign talking about what he wanted to do regarding a muslim ban. Donald j. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the United States until our countrys representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. On capitol hill while the political reports suggests there was some confusion as to when this executive order was coming down and what would be in it, is there any doubt among senators such as yourself that this was intended to be a muslim ban . None at all. Not at all. Everything President Trump said during the campaign was about a muslim ban. Everything that steve bannon pursued was a muslim ban, Rudy Giuliani called it correctly and its not rooted in the facts of National Security. The individuals from the seven countries have not conducted fatal attacks inside the United States while others from countries that were not included have been involved in terrorist attacks, fatal terrorist attacks inside the United States. So its not rooted in the facts and it has a discriminatory element. It flows right out of the campaign. Its a pretty clear picture. I want to play you a little of the Homeland Security secretary john kelly today testifying before congress about what in his view he should have done differently regarding his executive order. Take a listen. In retrospect i should have this is all on me, by the way i should have delayed it just a bit so that i could talk to members of congress, particularly the leadership of committees like this to prepare them for what was coming. Senator, do you buy that, that the fault lies with Homeland Security secretary kelly . Well, no, he came into this picture a long ways into it after the Political Team crafted it. I did think it was appropriate for him to say, yes, vird consulted. He also should have consulted lawyers, National Security specialists and pursued this from a policy foundation about National Security, not a Campaign Strategy of conducting a muslim ban. I want to just for a moment the producer is letting me know donald trump is live tweeting his thoughts and he sent out this tweet regarding your body of government. He says it is a disgrace that my full cabinet is not in place, the longest such delay in the history of our country. Obstruction by democrats. We do know there was a 5050 vote to barely get betsy devos in, what do you make that . Hamiltons charge for the role of the senate in terms of advice and content was to determine if a nominee from the president was of fit character. Well, many of these candidates are not of fit character, theyre not submitting their forms on time, they have complex lives, theyve gone over the bounds in a number of ways, they dont have the experience appropriate to the office or they want to tear down the institution that theyre being nominated to run. I messaged back to the president a point capable individuals who understand the mission of the departments and youll get a much easier process in the confirmation of the nominees. Are democrats going to stay united . That includes your red state colleagues, people like john tester, heidi heitkamp, joe mansion . Every senator is a force unto him or herself but i think in large speaking largely and not about any one specific individual, theres a profound understanding that theres a lot of problems with these nominees, its different with each specific case that comes before us but look at scott pruitt who will be coming before the senate just 140r9ly or tom price, scott pruitt who wants to tear down the epa and has voted against things that save children lives. Tom price, its been reviewed on the program so much, these are deeply flawed individuals. And very quickly, are you going to filibuster the Supreme Court nominee, mr. Gorsuch . 60 vote standard. Its what obamas team met with his nominees and its absolutely what the nominees should meet coming from President Trump. And youre not worried about a Nuclear Option on the part of your colleagues across the isle . Well, theres already been a Nuclear Option and thats when the republican majority decided to steal the Supreme Court seat from president obama and deliver it to President Trump. Unprecedented in our history, deeply jeopardizes the integrity of the Supreme Court. Sets a precedent that will cause problems for decades to come so im concerned about the entire process and i hope my senators across the aisle decide theyre going to defend and fight for our key institutions in america instead of tearing them down. Senator jeff merkley, thank you for your time, sir, appreciate it. Youre welcome. Still ahead, the white house message to america amounts to be afraid, be very afraid. Well discuss the campaign of fear after this twominute break. The crime and the gangs and the drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential, this american carnage stops right here and stops right now. President Trumps Campaign i should say President Trumps president ial campaign, now his presidency, have been built largely around one overarching theme the world is terrifying, you should be afraid and only i can save you. Its not morning in america, its midnight and theres not a light to be seen. Yesterday the president suggested, absurdly, by the way, that the media ignores terrorist attacks to further an agenda and then the white house released a list of supposedly undercovered attack to back him up. Only many of the incidents that were on the list which included, for example, the 2015 mass shooting in san bernardino, california, were, in fact, widely covered. It should also be noted that the white house list did not include attacks on u. S. Soil perpetrated by nonmuslims and people not aligned with isis, despite the fact that a 2015 study found that since the 9 11 attacks, white right wing terrorists have killed almost twice as Many Americans in homegrown attacks than radical islamists have. Asked about their list of allegedly undercovered terrorist attacks, today the White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said the Trump Administration needs to remind americans to be frightened. I think what we need to do is to remind people that the earth is a very dangerous place these days, that isis is trying to do us harm and this the president s commitment is to keep this country safe and i think part of this is to make sure the American People are reminded how prevalent some of these attacks are and how much time and attention they have or have not gotten. At a listening session with sheriffs today, trump himself echoed that idea and argued the legal fight over his travel ban is putting americans at risk of an attack. This is a very dangerous period of time while because everybodys talking and dealing, a lot of bad people are thinking about, hey, lets go in right now. Joining me now, sam seder, host of the majority report and david jolly, former republican congressman from florida. David, the earth is a very dangerous place, first of all. Second of all, this sounds and feels familiar, this idea of the federal government, of the administration scaring the bejesus of everybody saying you should be terrified all the time. I want to play one dick cheney on september 7, 2004, talking about the stakes in the 2004 election. Take a listen. Its absolutely essential that eight weeks from today on november 2 we make the right choice. Because if we make the wrong choice, the danger is that well get hit again, that well be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States. Keep in mind that was the administration presiding over 9 11, that was set in a context of trying to get people to vote in a campaign. Can you use your imagination to figure out what is the purpose of the scare mongering by the Trump Administration . I think the idea is that they want to maybe get Donald Trumps numbers up to at least the 46 that he got during the election look, to see sean spicer up there saying that weve got to remind the American Public to be scared of the world i think is bizarre. On some level look, donald trump was always delivering the subtext. His text was the subtext of the republican races. To continue to do that now and in such a ham fisted way i think is i dont think its going to be terribly effective, frankly. Listen, there are definitely problems in this country. But rising crime is not one of them. Carnage is not one of them. There are People Living in areas where they are dealing with a lot of difficulties but broadly speaking i dont think thats the experience of the American Public so i think it rings hollow. David jolly, we know Richard Nixon used the specter of crime in the streets and riots in the context, though, of actual violence and also antiwar demonstrations happening. We saw Bush Cheney Administration use the specter of violence in the wake of 9 11. Donald trump when hes talking about american carnage doesnt have the stats to back it up. I want to listen have you listen to him talking about the murder rate for just a moment. Take a listen. The murder rate in our country the highest its been in 47 years, right . Did you know that . 47 years. I used to use that id say that in a speech and everybody was surprised. David jolly, they might have been surprised but that isnt true. The high point of the murder rate was in 1980, it went down to 4. 4 in 2014 and 4. 9 in 2015. Its at Something Like an awl time low. So without real world events and real things to scare people, just as a politician, how long can this work . Look, joy, the purveyor of fake news sits in the oval office and we know that. Hes doing two things. He is trying to promote a narrative that is false about the insecurity preying on the insecurity of americans. After san bernardino, congress received a classified brief and one of the unclassified facts was that of the last 75 to 80,000 refugees who came to the United States, only 125b9 were later determined to be a security threat. Thats a lower crime rate than anywhere else in the United States. But its not only trying to create a false narrative, its also delegitimizing the press. Past president s, politicians engage in policy fights. Trumps doing something weve never seen in u. S. History, hes demanding loyalty by delegitimizing fake news, socalled judges saying i alow can fix this. Yesterday at centcom saying if you didnt endorse me i wont listen to you. Hes trying to create a loyal the toy the president of the United States, we have not seen this Political Leadership style succeed anywhere else except in very dark histories of world history. I think a lot of people who study authoritarian regimes say thats true, its creating a personal loyalty, but how long can that stand up to facts. The great producers at all in pulled some statistics. Odds of being killed in a Motor Vehicle accident, 1 in 113. Lightning strike, 1 in 174,000. You get down to a terrorist attack perpetrated by a refugee, 1 in 46 million. At some point do these facts penetrate and break the loyalty trump is trying to build . When you talk about authoritarians, the Research Shows somewhere between 20 and 25 of north americans are considered right wing authoritarians and these are just these are citizens. These are fellow citizens. When youre talking on that level, there is no convincing them. The facts are wholly irrelevant. So when donald trump says the highest crime rate in 47 years, thats heard by a significant portion of the population and they will believe it short theres no real way of convincing them. I mean, the experts on authoritarians say there really is no way to convert these people. You simply have to make sure they dont get power. And we sort of failed that first test. Clearly. David jolly, very quickly, donald trump made a comment today when he was speaking with some sheriffs, one of the sheriffs mentioned there was a state senator that was giving them problems and he said whos the state senator . Want to give his name . Well destroy his career. Even if he laughs afterwards, what do you make of that statement coming from the president of the United States . Listen, that is how he is presiding right now which is if you oppose him hes going to destroy you and unfortunately he has the ability to do so. The security test is real and we need to make sure that we respond to the americans concerns about orlando, san bernardino, paris and so forth. We can do that with a security test without a religious test and that is where the president is pushing the narrative that is false and emboldening the dark angels among the American People when he should be leading us to a better place. Not what a president normally does in the United States. Sam seder and david jolly, thank you both. Appreciate it. While were talking about trump and crime in america, dont forget chris hayes will be in chicago this thursday for a our cities and the new president s threats to send in the feds. Thats right here at 8 00 eastern on thursday night. You dont want to miss it. Betsy devos, will she be the next education secretary or not, kelly scene in. We expect she will bill. Maybe history will be made, you will have the sitting Vice President mike pence cast the tie breaking vote. If theres a 5050 split, he as the Vice President has the vote in the senate and she can be confirmed in short order and sworn in in short order. This morning, Kellyanne Conway was touting the his store, i can nature of Vice President mike pences tiebreaking vote to confirm betsy devos as secretary of education. Its only historic because no other cabinet member in history has ever needed the Vice President s vote to win confirmation until today. When it did come down to a 5050 split in the senate with just two republicans voting no and the Vice President casting that tie breaking vote to confirm devos so, yes, history was made, but not the kind you want to go around bragging about. Now, the question is, what will the confirmation of betsy devos mean for Public Education and is the fight really over . Thats next, dont go away. Betsy devos was confirmed as education secretary today barely. The final tally was 5150 with all of the Democratic Senators voting against her, two republicans crossing the aisle to join them and the tiebreaking ballot cast by Vice President mike pence. Devos has zero experience, shes a billionaire republican fundraiser and donor, including to some of the senators who donated for her and a lobbyist best known as a driving force behind the School Choice movement and the spread of Charter Schools in her home state of michigan. Devos will bring that to the department of education, privatizing school, increasing Charter Schools are ideas we know she supports. Shes also said she wants to advance gods kingdom through school reform. At her confirmation hearing last month, devos gave vague answers that left critics concerned about her lack of knowledge on several subjects, including the individuals with disabilities in education act and the debate over measuring proficiency or growth among students. She also made the following case for allowing guns in schools. I will refer back to senator enzi and the school that he was talking about in wyoming. I think probably there i would imagine that theres probably a gun in the school to protect from potential grizzlies. With concerned protesters rallying nationwide and 1. 5 million calls a day flooding into senate offices, Senate Democrats spent 24 hours before todays vote holding the floor, protesting devos. But tonight she was sworn in as Donald Trumps pick for education secretary. So what are the practical realities of what she can do to americas schools . Joining me now, democratic representative dan kildee of michigan, betsy devoss home state. Congressman kildee, thank you for joining me first of all. Thank you. Thank you. Lets talk about betsy devos in michigan. Did you as a michiganer get a sense of what she meant by advancing gods kingdom through the schools . Well, i mean, im not quite sure what her motivation is, i just know that the results have been disastrous. So if she thinks somehow shes going to be able to bring her faith to the public square, she should consult the document that she just swore an oath to, the u. S. Constitution. But really the issue is the terrible failed experiment that she is the chief architect of, and thats michigans charter movement. And what specifically has gone wrong with it . Because a lot of people think of Charter Schools and they think of waiting for superman they think of good schools poor kids can go to. Whats wrong in michigan . One of the things i discovered when i got here to washington is that there are Charter Schools that really work, mostly in other states and michigans charter system, which, again, she has continued to push to maintain in its current form, has been an unmitigated disaster. For example, 38 of michigans charters are in the bottom performing schools. So theyre supposed to be the answer. Theyre supposed to be that superman that we talk about and that we saw in that incredible documentary, but they have been a big failure. So not only have charters failed, but the impact that the charter movement, these unregulated charters that have no transparency, the impact that they have had on the traditional public schools, taking funding from those schools, has also caused problems. Michigan went from being one of the top states in the nation in terms of educational performance to near the bottom just during this short period of time that betsy devoss experiment on Michigan School children has been in place. We spend a billioners in michiga among the worstperforming schools. She wants to take this idea across the country . Its bizarre. Give us an idea of what the secretary of education touches. What kinds of things should she meddle with in this job . Support for compensatory education, reading programs, nutrition, special education. Interestingly enough, the idea that betsy devos did not know anything about special education when she was asked in her Senate Confirmation hearing, its obvious to those of us from michigan why she doesnt understand it, because under her concept of charters, they dont have to provide special education. They leave that to the traditional public school. And so these charters not only do they underperform, but they dont have to deal with kids who have learning difficulties. They send them back to the traditional public school. So what the federal government typically does is to try to sort of equalize the Playing Field supply extra support for communities that have high percentages of poverty for reading programs, special education. Those are the sorts of initiatives that the federal government has traditionally been involved with. She not only is demonstrating a lack of knowledge of those, but she doesnt seem to understand the federal government in Public Education except to promote more charters. And privatization. This should be a very interesting experiment. Well be watching. Somebody who know whos betsy devos and her policies well, congressman dan kildee, thank you for joining me. Thank you very much. Still ahead, while some congressmen have avoided their constituents, how some could voice their disapproval at the ballot box, and sooner than you think. Plus, first lady business to attend to as tonights thing 1 thing 2 continues. Ie. Why pause a spontaneous moment . Cialis for daily use treats ed and the urinary symptoms of bph. Tell your doctor about your medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. Do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. Do not drink alcohol in excess. To avoid longterm injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. If you have a sudden decrease or loss of hearing or vision, or an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. Ask your doctor about cialis. Thing 1 tonight. Republican congressman Jason Chaffetz was summoned to the white house, admitting this morning he had no idea what the president wanted to see him about. Following the meeting, chaffetz was adamant that he and donald trump did not discuss anything related to chaffetzs role as chair of the House Oversight committee. Before my bum even hit the chair, the president said no oversight, you cant talk about neigh has to do with oversight. I said fair enough. But what i really wanted to talk to him about is a reform agenda. We can only rely on his word, though, because the white house didnt release a ticktock or recording of the meetings, but there would have been a lot to talk about with regards to oversight since today we learned that donald trump has officially taken over donald trump, jr. , has officially taken over Donald Trumps d. C. Hotel at the Old Post Office which is being lease bid the government. But president donald trump, sr. , is still a majority owner of the country. Democrats argue that puts trump in violation of his least since conflict of interest laws bar elected official officials from leasing federal land. One of the most outspoken lawmakers on this, shoe is congressman elijah cummings, the Ranking Member on the oversight committee. But whether the committee launches an investigation into the d. C. Hotel is up in the air since the aformation Jason Chaffetz is the chair. Last week, chaffetz requested an unredacted copy of the hotels leasing contract, a potentially hopeful sign, however we dont know if hell follow through with a goodfaith investigation. But we do know the d. C. Hotel is not the only major conflict of interest for the current president and what if i were to tell you one member of the first family put in writing their intention to cash in on the presidency. That is thing 2 in 60 seconds. Today, a settlement was reached between First Lady Melania Trump and a maryland blogger. In a defamation suit over an article the blogger published last summer. The first ladys also suing the british tabloid the daily mail for defamation over a similar article they published. According to the lawsuit filed yesterday, her lawyers made this remarkable statement about damages to americas first lady. As a result of defendants publication of defamatory statements about plaintiff melania trump, her brand has lost significant value and a Major Business opportunities that were otherwise available to her have been lost or substantially impacted. Plaintiff, the first lady, had the unique once in a lifetime opportunity as an extremely famous and wellknown person as well as a former professional model and brand spokesperson and successful businesswoman to launch a broadbased commercial brand in multiple product categories, each of which could have garnered multimillion dollar business relationships for a multiyear term during whh plaintiff, the first lady, is one of the most photographed women in the world. These product categories would have included among other things apparel, accessories, shoes, jewelry, cosmetics, hair care, skin care and fragrance. Late tonight melania trumps lawyer released a statement saying the first lady has no intention of using her position for profit and will not do so. It is not a possibility. Any statements to the contrary are being misinterpreted. So despite suing over potential lost profits during this once in a lifetime opportunity as one of the most photographed women in the world and any suggestion that the first lady would, for instance, launch a broadbased commercial brand in clothing, shoes, jewelry, cosmetics, skin care, fragrance, et cetera, well, that would just be a misinterpretation. Do you sense instead of being an organic disruption, do you sense theres an organized pushback and people are being paid to protest . Oh, absolutely. I mean, protesting has become a profession now. They have every right to do that, dont get me wrong, but i think we need to call it what it is. Its not these organic uprisings weve seen through the last several decades, the tea party was a very organic movement. This has become a very paid astroturf type movement. The White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer seems to want to dismiss opposition to republican policies, particularly a desire to repeal the Affordable Care act as some kind of topdown concoction of lobbyists and think tanks but the mobilization tactics weve seen over the last couple weeks come straight from the play book of the conservative activists who brought us the tea party. And you know what . Theyre working. So much so, in fact, that republicans seem to be overwhelmed by whats happening at town halls across the country. Hundreds of people showed up to an event last weekend held by republican congressman tom mcclintock. He wound up leaving with a Police Escort after he said he was advised by his staff that the situation outside was deteriorating. Tennessee congressman jimmy duncan jr. Told his constituents straight no chaser he was having no town hall meetings. Saying in a letter it would turn in to shouting opportunities for extremists, kooks and radicals. Those theoretical kooks and radicals are his constituents. And when Virginia Republican Barbara Comstock invited people to a town hall last saturday she never showed up, angering dozens of constituents who wanted clarity on the plan to repeal and replace obamacare. The first test as to whether this will have a lasting affect will come at the polls and sooner than you think. The first primaries are in june, this june, just four months away. More on that next. Plus, breaking news of a skirmish on the senate floor between Elizabeth Warren and Mitch Mcconnell. Now this youve got to see. Dont go away. Breaking news from the senate floor tonight where democrats are once again in the middle of holding the floor in advance of the vote for attorney general. Moments ago, massachusetts senator Elizabeth Warren was reading a letter written by Coretta Scott king written in opposition to Jeff Sessions 1986 nomination to be a federal judge kin suggested making sessions a judge would make a devastating blow to the progress my husband made. This letter entered into the record during this years confirmation hearing but Senate Republicans tonight objected to warrens reading of the letter on the floor and this is the scene that unfolded just moments ago. Mr. President mr. President the majority leader. The senators impugn the motives and conduct of our colleague from alabama as warned by the chair. Senator warren said senators sessions has used the awesome power of his office to chill the free exercise of the vote by black citizens. I call the senator to order under the provisions of rule 19. Mr. President . Senator from massachusetts . Senator from massachusetts. Mr. President , i am surprised that the words of Coretta Scott king are not suitable for debate in the United States senate. I ask leave of the senate to continue my remarks. There objection . I object. I appeal the ruling objection is heard. The senator will take her seat. Mr. President , i appeal the ruling of the chair. Joining me now is jamal simmons, democratic strategist around cornell belcher, former pollster for Barack Obamas 2008 and 2012 president ial campaigns. Wow. Wow. That was extraordinary. Ill start with you, cornell, your reaction to that . My reaction to that is the optics for that feeds into the narrative that republicans are struggling with with women voters and it also probably makes senator warren the frontrunner for democrat primary for president as of this moment. You know, its extraordinary, jamal, to hear, you have Elizabeth Warren, a woman of massachusetts, with that northern accent, that sort of braman accent trying to read the words and then Mitch Mcconnell saying it isnt fitting and then her saying how can the words of Coretta Scott king be out of ordinary. Its extraordinary your words. What we know is that Jefferson Beauregard sessions who is from alabama who we know people like Deval Patrick said he tried to deny Voting Rights from citizens in alabama. This is a letter from Coretta Scott king saying the same thing 30 years ago, like a letter from the grave. And we know hes made jokes that were inappropriate about the ku klux klan and referred to black steph members calling them boy. When people think youre a racist or harbor racist intentions and then you go out and vote to deny Voting Rights to people of different backgrounds, you would think you would try to extend yourself to prove youre not a racist. Instead he seemed to continue to deny other people rights every time that came up before the United States senate. I was wondering when the Jeff Sessions moment would heat up the way the betsy devos one. Cornell, the election where democrats can claw back state power in particular start this year. You have gubernatorial and Lieutenant Governor races in virginia and new jersey. You have a superintendent of schools race in wisconsin. Are democrats prepared to meet this test and start to win some state races . Starting this year . Well not only state races but look at the mayoral races that are happening across the country. If i were to answer this i would probably say no, because, look, the Democratic Party and i was a pollster for the governor when we built the 50state strategy, and one of the first things we did coming in is to build up infrastructure. We started we laid out four big organizing programs that we took out into the states. We started neighbor to neighbor programs, we gave the states and the people on the local and Grassroots Level the infrastructure and the ability to argue and build, right now the Democratic Party doesnt have that. So whoever comes in as chair what they have to do is rebuild the party not out of washington but the state level so these people who want to run for city council, want to run for mayor, want to run for state legislative bodies they have the infrastructure and the ability to do so and right now that is wanting in the Democratic Party. Absolutely. Theres that side that you have to have the state infrastructure, you have to be ready at the local level. Theres also the idea of nationalize ago race around a set of themes. Elizabeth warren may have kick starting themes that could be affected that would mobilize anyone who objects to the Civil Rights Office as being gutted in the Justice Department t this is what Elizabeth Warren tweeted tonight. She tweeted tonight Senate Majority leaders silenced mrs. Kings voice on the senate floor and million who was are afraid and appalled by whats happening in our country. I will not be silent while the republicans rubber stamp an a. G. Who will never stand up to the potus when he breaks the law. I will not be silent about a nominee for an a. G. Who has made derogatory and racist comments that have no place in our justice system. Jamal, has Elizabeth Warren begun to write the template for how to nationalize the 2017 and 2018 elections . She is writing that template. And you know who else helped start to write that template was sally yates who was the acting attorney general who got fired by donald trump for not wanting to enforce his muslim ban that he tried to come out with, the executive order. So im struck at this moment after the Hillary Clinton race at the women who are leading this, the people who are leading this are women, whether its senator Elizabeth Warren, sally yates, the millions of tim t women on the streets during the womens march. Theres an incredible amount of energy and it will be up to the democratic part to figure out how to challenge the elections and have strong progressive voices that can do that. More breaking news here. The senate voted Elizabeth Warren impugn add senator which is a rule breaker. She wont be able to speak further. Extraordinary night. Jamal simmons and cornell belcher, thank you both for your time tonight. Thank you. Thats all for all in this evening. Chris hayes will be back tomorrow so make sure to catch me on weekends at 10 00 a. M. For a. M. Joy and follow me on twitter. The Rachel Maddow show starts right now. Good evening, rachel. Extraordinary scene on the senate floor. Exactly, im glad you were able to get that breaking news on the air. If senator warren is being held accountable for impugning a senator, shes reading something out of the congressional record that was entered into the congressional record the last time this person was being considered for an important federal job other than being alabama senator. This is just its amazing. And shes reading the words of reverend dr. Martin luther king jr. s widow. Its amazing. Wow. Politics is nothing if not amazing. And you think, like, all of these senators, they take these fights as they come, right . But if youre Mitch Mcconnell, is that the hill you want to die on . Really . Exactly, i dont get it but it happened and it happened here tonight and wow. Stunning. We will have more on that tonight. Have a great show. Thanks, rachel. And thanks to you at home for joining us at this hour. This is turning out to be a very interesting night in the news. Not only do we have the remarkable turn in the senate, senator Elizabeth Warren according to Mitch Mcconnell running afoul of rule 19 saying she cant impugn a senator, theyre saying she impugned a senator when she read a letter that had been written to the Judiciary Committee when Jeff Sessions was nominated to be a federal judge in 1986, it was a letter from the widow of the reverend dr. Martin luther king, jr. That is being considered