Visit. And the Vice President attends a d. C. Demonstration. President trump actually asked me to be here with you today. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york, im chris hayes. Theres a lot going on tonight. Just over a year and a month since candidate trump called for a complete and total shutdown of muslims entering the United States, President Trump signed an executive order aimed at fulfilling at least part of that goal. Hewing closely to the rhetoric of banning entry to the United States based on country of origin and possibly even religion, here is the president today. Im establishing new vetting measures to keep radical islamic terrorists out of the United States of america. We dont want them here. We want to ensure that we are not admitting into our country the very threats our soldiers are fighting overseas. And this is the protection of the nation from foreign terrorist entities into the United States. We all know what that means. Protection of the nation from Foreign Terrorists entry into the United States. Thats big stuff. The administration did not release the lengthy, complicated executive order until hours after the signing but it suspends the issuance of visas to people from countries of particular concern. Countries designated in a prior law by congress as iraq, iran, libya, somalia, sudan, syria and yemen. The executive order also stops the Refugee Program all together for all refugees from anywhere for four months pending review and installs an indefinite ban on Syrian Refugees. But, it makes special allowances for victims of persecution who are part of a minority religion in that country, a carveout that would apply to, for instance, christian refugs in muslimmajority countries. The state department in a statement sa it is working with the departments of Homeland Security and health and Human Services to put the executive order into effect. Reaction from lawmakers has already been harsh. Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer tweeting there are tietier tears running down the cheeks of the statue of liberty. Congressman seth moulton says President Trump is leading our country out of fear instead of facts. His executive orders banning refugees and immigrants from some muslim majority countries in the United States playwright into the hands of our enemies. Amnesty international and the International Rescue committee expressed grave concern. Amnesty international saying this puts antimuslim bigotry into policy and is reminiscent of the kinds of religious discrimination weve documented in countries like iran and china. The can executive order President Trump issued today is cruel, inhumane and violates law. Joining me now, ari melber. All of us have been attempting to work our way through what is very complicated let me say Immigration Law is the craziest, most complicated area of law. Swiss cheese. Theres one component which is visas. Whats going on in the visa front . This is suspending visas in the way people would be cleared to come in based on a host of considerations. So the main thing here, the biggest power hooer is that its completely temporarily suspending immigration from the list of countries you mentioned. That means grad students, med students, doctors, engineers in an oil field in houston whos coming over from, say, iraq. All of it. So as a first step its not vetting of any kind extreme or lax. Its shutting the door to those countries. This has been pointed out by others and ill stress it here, the opening provisions, the starting language of this thing says we have to worry about immigration given 9 11. And this doesnt do anything with regard to the home countries of the attackers on 9 11 of saudi arabia, uae or egypt. Doesnt touch those countries in any way. What it does go on to do is, as you mentioned, take down those seven countries. What is a clever legal strategy here that might actually really matter is those countries are based on a law that cited them in a different context but cited them as dangerous. Its a law Congress Passed and president obama signed. It was a law that basically said you could have a waiver of the normal visa requirements if you were from a favored country like, say, england, but if you stopped in a dangerous place like syria or iraq you dont get your waiver anymore. I see. Theyve take than danger list and now theyre saying, hey, if you come from that country, you dont get in at all. So i want to be, like, really clear here, right . Because this is not you know, what the president when he was running, called for, is a temporary ban on all muslims coming into the country. This is not that. No. And almost certainly would not have been held up in court, i think. Theres a general feeling. We heard from many constitutional experts who said it probably would not but thats unknown and there have been times if you go back far enough, not precedents that are popular, there were restrictions on catholics and jews if you go back far enough. Finally here, refugees. Indefinite ban on all Syrian Refugees which is the place producing the most refugees in the world right now. Its a maelstrom of unceasing horror and a ban a ban on all refugees everywhere. Correct. This is a suspension of the entire Refugee Program. Its saying even people facing discrimination, the type of people the United States prioritize to some degree because of what they were up against nothing for a while while they put this review on and nothing from syria as all. That is again, thats a slam door. So what you see in this as well is opening the door to further bans because it says in this new order that the dhs and the secretary of state can then propose new countries. Donald trump, if youre watching, because i know sometimes you watch, what he may decide is oh, wait, i can add to that this helps me so if i heard, oh, maybe i should ban saudi arabia, well, the d can do that. Im not suggesting that, i not making a policy recommendation one way or the other to the president. But this is an order that basically gives a lot of power in the executive to do this. The reason why its not a religious ban which is important is as i mentioned it uses other criteria. It does mention things like honor killings in its preamble. But we have to be fair, this is not a religious test as written. All right, ari melber, thank you very much. Thank you. Joining me now, senator jeff merkley of oregon. Senator, the argument made by proponents of the president s policy is that basically better safe than sorry. We care about america and american lives and you dont know. You have to be careful with these folks. What do you say to that . Chris, lady liberty is crying tonight. She didnt say give me your poor and your tired and your huddled masses yearning to be free only if they are this religion or that religion or this ethnicity or that ethnicity and we really know that the most vetted group coming to the United States are our refugees. They go through a two year process and blocking out women and children and interpreters who have enhanced our National Security abroad is a mistaken direction to go. It will throw into chaos the Visa Waiver Program with europe. All these european nations. All by five of the European Union come here under the visa waiver. They only can come under that program with the highest passport requirements including a bio metric information and coded into a chip in the visa or in the passport. So its allowed the flow of individuals from europe to the United States. Thats before we get to basically this assault on muslims. What do you say to those, ari melber, who said this is very carefully crafted to not specify a religion. In fact, theres two things going on. One is that its a set of countries, all the countries are muslim majority. Another portion of the executive order says there will be reference give on the religious people victims of religious persecution if those people are minorities religious minorities in a country thats a majority other religion. You can imagine, say, Coptic Christians or syrian christians. What do you say to those who say this was crafted so it doesnt use islam or religion as a test . Clearly those who are lawyers have gone through to find a foundation on which they can pass a constitutional test but understand this. This ban on folks coming from seven islamic countries, primarily islamic countries is going to be perceived much as the program was previously, as the Previous Program that didnt result in a single prosecution. It was terribly ineffective in terms of detecting anyone who wanted to do our country harm but what it did was offend the entire islamic world and feed it into the isis rhetoric in which they are saying the United States wants to conduct a war on islam so well conduct a war on them. So this really feeds those fires and endangers National Security. There is a bunch of people noting today that today is Holocaust Memorial day. I saw the czech ambassador andy shapiroweeting his ielie mothers visa into this country that saved her from mass murder in germany when she was a jew do you think you have the better side of the political argument when you are making a moral case for why america has some moral responsibility to take in people fleeing the ravages of war . Its been so fundamental. We are immigrants. Unless youre 100 native american, we all came through the process of immigration, our parents, grandparents, etc. Its been that mixture that has been a tremendous strength of america and so for us to now say were not going to look at the problems of the world and admit those who are troubled, virtually none of us would be here if that were the case when our ancestors arrived so i feel it really great grates on the religious freedom of religion of the United States and it also goes against the grain of what has made america very strong and so all of that and then you throw in the fact that this strategy is going to be a major source of recruitment for terrorists around the world so you asked me about the politics. I dont know. But it goes against our fundamental principles and makes us in a more dangerous place. Senatoreff mercury, thanks for your time tonight. Thank you. Joining me now state representative omar. Representative, first i want to ground this in your story. Youre a refugee. Can you explain the circumstances under which you came to this country. Hi, chris. Yes i am a refugee. My family arrived here from somalia via kenya in 1995. After spending four years in the refugee camp. And going through an extensive vetting process to come here. What i guess the context i wonder if you could illuminate is what would push a family to leave the place they live in and love and go into, say, a camp and try to come to this country . I mean the circumstance with my family leaving their home country is because there was a civil war and it was no longer safe for us to be in that country and so we fled and seek refuge in kenya and entered a refugee camp in mombasa and after a long time in the refugee camp we were fortunate enough to get the opportunity to resettle here in the United States through the Refugee Resettlement program a that the Lutheran Services provided. All refugees if im reading this order correctly has been suspended for four months. All Syrian Refugees from the worst civil war in the world happening right now has been suspended indefinitely. Whats your response to those actions . Its sad and disappointing and its you know, it goes against the fundamentals of, i think, what our nation stands f for, for us to create a muslim ban, essentially, for refugees coming from muslimdominated countries i think would go against what we believe to be our foundations of being a welcoming country where we allow strangers to come seek new opportunities and to see themselves as part of the American Foundation and to seek their american dream. Its also important for us to note that many of the people that this particular executive order bans are coming from countries that the United StatesForeign Policy has contributed in destabilizing their countries and theyre living under a civil war that weve aided in in helping them seek a democratic nation. And for us to turn their back on them right now i think its sad, disappointing and every american who believes that furthering democracy in the world is a value we all believe in should stand up and voice their opposition and concern to this executive order. It is really important for us to recognize that extremism does not have a religion. It doesnt have a nation, it doesnt live in one continent. Here in the United States we face extremism every single day and we are facing more of threat from a lone gunman that goes into a school and shoots up young children. We face more of a threat from a lone gunman who goes into a Movie Theater and shoots up people enjoying an evening watching movies and so we have to realize that what this executive ban does is to create a divide, exploit the fear that we have and the ignorance that we have of people of a different faith, of different nationality and that is unamerican to me. I came here because my dad and grandfather believed in the american exceptionalism of coming to a country that was very welcoming and thats a country of immigrants unless you are a native american. We all have a history of being immigrants to this country and this is sort of the founding principles. Theres a saying that america is a place that is supposed to welcome everyone. Representative omar, appreciate your time tonight, thank you very much. Thank you so much. Up next from behind closed doors, republicans worry, even freak out a little bit, about their promise of repealing and replacing obamacare. Leaked audio gives a fascinating look to how the right is trying to grabble with their next steps. That story after this twominute break. Suck on and point decisively with the arm of your glasses. It is no longer eyewear, it is your wand of business wizardry. Abracadabra. Youve just gone from invisible to invincible. Step two before your meeting, choose la quinta. 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We should note this is the first big win, really, for obamacare supporters in the early days of the new administration. This comes after the Washington Post obtained an audio recording of a closeddoor Planning Session at the gops retreat, revealing a party in chaos plagued by doubts about the way forward. We better be sure were prepared to live with the market weve created. Said congressman tom mcclintock. Thats going to be called trump care, republicans will own that lock, stock and barrel and will be judged in the election two years away. Another congressman used concerns about defunding planned parenthood. We are walking into a giant political trap if we go down this path of sticking planned parenthood in the Health Insurance bill said john faso, a congressman from new york. If you want to do it somewhere else i have no problem but i think we are creating a political minefield for ourselves, house and senate. Republicans in congress are learning the same lessons their democratic counterparts learned eight years ago governing is hard, especially when it comes to health policy. Though donald trump has managed to rewrite many rules previously governing the political universe, at least on this subject, gravity still exists. Joining me sara cliff, senior policy correspondent at vox, juniper rubin who rigwrites the right turn blog. This is a great get by the Washington Post. It sounds like the proverbial dog that caught the car, right . What do we do now . It has been seven years to work on a replacement plan and waking up to the thicket of the politics, its sort of astonishing. I have been one of the lone voices that said republicans were digging themselves a big hole. First of all, they have overpromised to the moon. They were going to make it cheaper and better and more choices. This is not dish soap, this is health care and theres only so many things you can do. Then donald trump doubled down and said he was going to give Health Care Coverage to everyone. That sounds like universal coverage, not just access so they said the bar high and they have not thought this through. They never thought they were going to win the presidency. They were that the for seven years. They dont have a plan. I was reassured hearing them behind closed doors because theyre saner in private than in public. And paul ryan has essentially been lying to the American People and lying to his members saying oh, were all on the same page, were on the same page with trump. Trump doesnt have a page, he doesnt have a book, he doesnt have a library. Poor paul ryan he has to fake it and this blows the cover on the fact that these people are all over the map. Of course they are, there is no perfect solution and at the end of the day theyll have to get eight Democratic Senators . They cant even get themselves on the same page. Thats a great point about the filibuster. There are certain things they can do in reconciliation but they cant create a new Health Care System through reconciliation. Sara, theres the politics of this also. Is there any policy consensus . You got rand paul says look, we have to come out with something, he comes out with his own bill. Its what you would expect from a let the market decide republican. Its bare bones, peel would probably lose their Health Insurance. But its honest. It probably wouldnt be a political winner. It probably wouldnt. It would be one of those bills if youre bad if someone who is six, someone who has low income, if youre using obamacare right now, the paul plan doesnt offer you a lot. To your question, chris, there isnt consensus right now. Youre seeing republican plans get introduced, theres another plan that came out this week from two more a more centrist plan from two republican senators, the Cassidy Collins plans that let some states keep obamacare if they like it and lets other states move to a Different Program if they dont. You have the paul plan different from the Cassidy Collins plan, enough disarray behind closed doors. So i have a bit of deja vu to covering the 2009 2010 obamacare effort. The difference here is democrats had a clear goal in mind. They wanted to cover more People Health surance. It not clear what republicans are groping towards aside from getting rid of the Affordable Care act. That is the great point. What is the plan . Jennifers point about promising the moon. Sean spicer said we have a mandate to provide care to more people at lower deductibles. I thought if thats the mandate, thats a tough mandate to live up to. Then you have sara to the point about deja vu, status quo bias is intense in health care. Change is scary. Which ever direction. This is Tom Macarthur in that audio, jennifer, saying were telling those people were not going to pull the rug out from under them and if we do this too fast we are in fact going to pull the rug out from under them. I think their honest the i is at least refreshing and you make another good point, chris, which is one of the complaints about obamacare and the complaint donald trump out theed was that the deductibles and copays were too high. What are they suggesting . Theyre suggesting a tax credit that will buy you get this a bare bones catastrophic plan. Thats exactly what people have said they dont want so i dont know what problem they are trying to solve. Listen, there are problems with obamacare and they could be addressing them. Theres a lot of problems and questions as to whether these highrisk pool which is they keep venerating and have never worked are the way to go. So there are real problems. They probably could sit down with democrats and fix some of these but politically for them they have painted themselves into such a tight corner they cant do anything rational so theyll be irrational and theyll flounder around for the better part of a year and it may never come to anything. Matt lewis from the daily caller said i looked into this, you should punt. But go back to 2009. That effort was pronounced dead more times than i can count. People should be clear. Sara, what is your sense of how much will there is to navigate what will be very difficult. So i think there is a lot of will, as jennifer was sa, republicans are put themselves in a corner here. Theyve spent seven years promising to repeal and replace obamacare. So this punt option is quite difficult the pull off after you spent so much time talking about it. That being said, i think this incident with the obamacare ads was instructive to me that this is a relatively small thing. It was small, political but there was such a backlash to taking away ads, imagine the backlash to taking away Health Insurance for millions of people. You were saying its so hard to rip anything out by the roots and were just talking about tiszmentes, not Peoples Health coverage. I remember when i covered the aca fight when i was in d. C. It was amazing how powerful that was. Change is terrifying when youre talking about peoples doctors and care and grandparents and things like that and thats true for anyone who has the greatest flan the world. Sarah kliff and jennifer rubin, thank you very much. Thank you. Coming up, President Trump making claims that are factually inaccurate in order to support his own narrative. A prime example of that right after the break. Sure its free for everyone. Oh well thats nice and checking your score wont hurt your credit. Oh im so proud of you. Well thank you. Free at at discover. Com creditscorecard, even if youre not a customer. Right now, too many families dont feel secure. Just look at the 30 largest cities. In the last year alone, the murder rate has increased by 14 . Here in philadelphia, the murder rate has been steady i mean, just terribly increasing. Over the past 24 hours, the president has gotten a lot of flak from the city of philadelphia for that statement because its not true. The murder rate in the city of brotherly love has not been terribly increasing. In fact, about four years ago phillys murder rate fell to its lowest level in 30 years, steady ever since then. If you listen closely, it really almost sounds like trumps teleprompter wanted him to say the truth, that the murder rate had been steady before he decided to take creative license. Here in philadelphia the murder race has been steady i mean just terribly increasing. By now weve all become accustomed to assuming that any statement by the president to not assuming any statement by e president is factual but his view of life in American Cities fits a troubling pattern. Consider his tweets about john lewiss district in atlanta saying it was in horrible shape and not to mention crime infested. Georgias Fifth District is not crime infested a fact that the Atlanta Journalconstitution captured with this page. Or how about on day one of his web site trumps team wrote in our nations capital, killings have risen by 50 . That was not true. The homicide rate in d. C. Rose 50 two years ago but fell last year by about 17 . The language has since been changed. Perhaps the latest example of oversimplifications and exaggerations is the city of chicago. Its horrible carnage. This is afghanistan is not like whats happening in chicago. People are being shot left and right. Thousands of people over a short period of time. Chicagos become a kind of short hand. Both for the president and many people who share his world view for a kind of urban war zone. The reality of that is much, much more complicated so were headed there next week to hear from the people of chicago in a special town hall event. Thats next wednesday. Cond. I want my tax software too charge me at the last second. Im totally fine paying extra for something i could get for free. There is nothing i can do with an extra 50. Said no one ever. File your taxes for free with credit karma tax. At angies list, we believe there are certain things you can count on, like what goes down doesnt always come back up. [ toilet flushes ] so when you need a plumber, you can count on us to help you find the right person for the job. Discover all the ways we can help at angies list. Because your home is where our heart is. And theyre absolutely right. They say that its hot. When really, its scorching. And while some may say the desert is desolate. We prefer secluded. What is the desert . Its absolutely what you need right now. Absolutely scottsdale. What you have presented so far has been debunked. Its been called false. No it hasnt. Take a look at the pew reports. I called the author of the pew report last night and he told me they found no evidence of voter fraud. Really . Then why did he write the report. He said no evidence of voter fraud. So then why did he write the report . Then hes graveling again. I always talk about the reporters that grovel when they want to write something that you want to hear. The country is slowly adjusting to the reality that the new president often says things that are not true. When hes corrected he continues to say things that are not true. When hes corrected again he cites sources that are widely debunked or miscorrected. From things like what the weather was like on Inauguration Day or whether or not there was a massive voter conspiracy to keep him from being elected. Its uncharted kerrtoterritory american democracy. Other countries have been dealing with it for years. It just so happens that one is none other than Vladimir Putins russia. Someone whos seen that tactic firsthand is masha gessen, author of the man without a face, the unlikely rise of vladimir putin. What do you make of this first week . This is something he did do as a candidate but i think theres Something Different when its, like, the authority of the state behind it at some level. Well, what i make of this, first, if i can just mention that the biggest thing to me is that i came to this country on a refugee visa 35 years ago and i feel sick. You came here as a refugee . I came here as a refugee from the soviet union 35 years ago. You know, i wouldnt have happened if i hadnt been give an visa. Some of the most incredible people i know came as refugees. Getting to your question, its yeah, its familiar. Its disorienting. What hes doing, first of all, hes using language to assert power. Hes basically saying im going to say whatever i want to say and its going to be what i want it to be whether you like it or not. And were not equipped for dealing with that because what do you say to a person who will insist on saying that blue is red . After you have demonstrated it is still blue. But hes also stripping words of their meaning. Its like nothing is anymore and were living in it. How do you deal with it . I think theres people theres the fact check thing. We just did it. This is a small thing. The white house got the statistics on washington, d. C. Wronon the first day. It was pointed out. They did change it to make it a plausibly fact checkable claim and theres some small part of me that thinks okay, good, thats how it should go. Its a small part of how it should go. Fact checking doesnt go far enough. We have to learn to tell this story of what this man is and what hes doing. Just Fact Checking doesnt go far enough. We have to understand the power play. We have to understand the aesthetics of using language so it turns into mush. We have to keep writing in the bigger story and keep trying to understand the truth. Youre a phenomenal writer for anyone who has not red mashas work. Youre an exceptional writer. Is there any chance youre overreading the putin analogy. Its very intense and profound and distinct and theres so many analogies youre importing in the places where it doesnt work. Maybe i should write another story about all the differences between them. The differences between them are huge. Theyre not men who are alike. One is hugely emotional, raw forceful, the other one prides himself on never expressing emotion. One of them is a hard man who has probably killed people, many people. The other is a soft man who has almost certainly not. Well, thats probably about to change with the refugee ban hes put in place. Fair point. Their legacy is completely different so i dont mean to say they are alike. What i mean to say is theyre kin drid spirits and theres some ways some things hes doing many autocrats have done all over the world. I happen to know this one very well. But its a broader tool of using power as the means to create the terms of reality. Right, its gaslighting is probably o of the best terms for it. And you no lonr feel like youre on solid ground. Another thing, and this is something we need to start sort of waking up to. It creates this state that i think weve all been living in for the last week, the state of constant lowlevel dread and you cant function in that state. You can just barely manage to go to work and pick up your children from day care but you cant plan for the future. Im laughing because its such an accurate characterization. And this is something that places ranging from interment camps to totalitarian countries to people traffickers have done all over the world for years. We know how this stuff works. Weve never seen somebody become the american president and use. It masha shah guegessen, che her work. Thank you. Thank you. Still ahead, the march for life draws its highest ranking official in its history. But first, british Prime Minister theresa may and van halen. Thats tonights thing 1 thing 2 starting right after this break. Cmon in, pop pop happy birthday i survived a heart attack. Im doing all i can to keep from having another one. And im taking brilinta. For people whove been hospitalized for a heart attack. I take brilinta with a baby aspirin. No more than one hundred milligrams as it affects how well it works. Brilinta helps keep my platelets from sticking together and forming a clot. Brilinta reduced the chance of another heart attack. Or dying from one. It worked better than plavix. 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This is page 40 of van halens ryder. In the food requirement section, theres an area titled money chis. The ban asked for m ms but includes in all caps absolutely no brown ones. The story is a legendary tale of spoiled rock star prima donnas at their worst. No brown m ms. But theres more to it than that lead singer David Lee Roth explains later. I had them place a clause that just out of the middle of nowhere it would say, for example, there will be 12 afternoamper high voltage sockets placed at 15 foot intervals not to exceed the load bearing et cetera et cetera and then out of the middle i said there will be no brown m ms in the backstage area or the promoter will forfeit the show at full price. What was the point . If i came backstage having been one of the architects of this lighting and staging design and i saw brown m ms on the catering table then guaranteed the promoter had not read the contract ryder and we had to do a serious line check because frequently we had danger issues or accidental issues. Brown m ms were a ruse to make sure promoters were paying careful attention because if they dont Pay Attention to the small stuff you better expect theyll screw up the big stuff. So what does all this have to do with the Prime Ministers visit to the white house . Thats thing 2 in 60 seconds. Isnt it time to let the real you shine through . Introducing otezla, apremilast. Otezla is not an injection, or a cream. Its a pill that treatplaque psoriasis differentl some people who took otezla saw 75 clearer skin after 4onths. And otezlas prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. Dont take otezla if you are allergic to any of its ingredients. 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Well, uk Prime Minister theresa may went to the white house today, President Trumps first visit for from a foreign leader. As is customary, the administration released an official schedule ahead of her arrival. There was one small problem with the document. Prime minister mays first name was spelled wrong, leaving out the h. No big deal except that teresa may without the h is famous in the uk. Shes a former adult film star and model who was certainly probably not visiting donald trump at the white house this wyche. And this is theresa may with an h, president of the united kingdom. Its just a typo, ive made them myself. But like the brown m ms its also a signal. Somebody isnt paying enough attention and the white house is dealing with issues much much more important than the lighting at a rock concert. And theyre absolutely right. They say that its hot. When really, its scorching. And while some may say the desert is desolate. We prefer secluded. What is the desert . Its absolutely what you need right now. Absolutely scottsdale. Could you hear the voices from the womens march here in washington . We know there were more than a Million People who turned out and you are their president now, too. Its true. Could you hear them from the white house . No, i couldnt hear them but the crowds were large but youre going to have a large crowd on friday, too, which is mostly prolife people. When asked about last weeks womens march on washington President Trump was quick to point out that a lot of people would be attending todays annual march for life which is widely considered the biggest antiabortion event of the year. And while tens of thousands of people showed up to march, there was one attendee who made history, becoming the highestranking official to ever address a rally in person in its 44year history. Well tell you who that is next. 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Now the sitting Vice President is an ardent abortion foe, a man who when he was in congress began the push to defund planned parenthood and when he was governor of indianapolis he signed every abortion bill that crossed his deck. The man today promised they will appoint an antiabortion Supreme Court justice. A march that has been largely symbolic may be on the prepreci its victory. Joining me now, Charlie Sykes editor of right wisconsin, jess mcintosh. Charlie, ill start with you. I dont think anybody believes donald trump thinks roe v. Wade should be overturned or opposes abortion. Do you . No and i was skeptical of his position. I have to lay it out here that im a prolife catholic so im pleasantly surprised by some of this however i did not think during the campaign that he was going to take this aggressive prolife position but he certainly has. Having said that, this is going to be a very problematic alliance for Prolife Movement. Im not sure that they really expect or ought to expect roe v. Wade is going to be overturned any time soon. So theyll have to take their victories but i dont think thats within reach. Thats an interesting question because i think jess probably disagrees with that. Well, their agenda has been to overturn roe v. Wade and ban abortion for as long as they have been for the last 40 years. Since roe v. Wade. Since 1973. So now they find themselves in control with with the ability to do that, a president who i mean, hes been on the wrong side of both hes been on both wrong sides of this issue for the republican base. He went too far saying women ought to beunisheif they were going to have abortions and, of course, he said he was pro choice long ago. Can i play that for a second so that people can ground in the the fact that its remarkable. Its is up an important issue. So fought over for deeply passionate reasons and the president of the United States, this is him in 1999. Would President Trump ban partialbirth abortion . Well, look, im very prochoice. I hate the concept of abortion. I hate it. I hate everything it stands for. I cringe when i listen to people debating the subject. But you still i just believe in choice. And, again, it may be a little bit of a new york background because there is some different attitude in different parts of the country and i was raised in new york and grew up and work and Everything Else in new york city. But i am strongly for choice and yet i hate the concept of abortion. Hes going to appoint a Supreme Court justice who almost certainly will be opposed to roe v. Wade. The man made very few concrete promises during his campaign. That was one of them. I expect i think we ought to be taking him at his word wherever he says a thing. This is going to be interesting because the Republican Party has been using this issue to rile its base up without worrying about what it does to moderates and to nonrepublicans, nonbase voters. Seven in 10 americans do not want roe v. Wade overturned. They believe that abortion should be legal and up to a woman and her doctor. When they take that away those numbers are going to mean something. I had a charlie, i had a prominent when i was recording in d. C. I had a republican strategist say if you got karl rove in a room and gave him truth serum and said do you want a republican president to appoint a justice who overturns roe v. Wade he would tell you no, i do not want that because of precisely jesss point about what the political ramifications could be. Absolutely. I completely agree with that which is why i think there are a lot of people in the Prolife Movement who understand that the future ought to be changing peoples hearts and minds. Lets let us not take away peoples rights because that, of course, would be about the most divisive thing you can possibly do. By the way, i would also hope you realize a lot of these people who are out there might be campaigning for the right to life but theyre not necessarily going to be all in on this trump agenda. Theyre going to be a lot of contradictions and i think it is worth focusing on the full continuum of life. How many of the people there who are campaigning for the right to life are going to be all in, for example, on the ban of refugees or on various things that might make Health Care Less pro parent pro family . Those are contradictions that are worth talking about and dealing with. I should note this. The march for life, my grandparents would go every year. You would not think of them as protesters in any way. They would go, their church group would go, its a ritual and tradition for a lot of catholic churches that have views that dont support dplump a lot of areas but to me its also a question of theres also, jess, a suspicion on the part of republicans that they will be screwed when it comes to Supreme Court justices. And because donald trump doesnt have trust to bank on, it makes me think he needs to choose someone whose bona fides are totally unquestionable that will be the most obvious antiroe vote imaginable. I think he will go too far. He doesnt understand the antichoice movement. He doesnt have those principles. So he gets it wrong. A lot of the women marching at the march for life, like charlie was saying, i agree completely believe in life across the board. They are proimmigrant. They are not going to like the fact that if we have a global gag rule women who have been raped as a tool of war will die because they are going to selfinduce an abortion. Thats not what the antichoice movement in america is about. They are going to view that with a lot more sympathy than i think donald trump would assume that they would or than sody that he would put on the Supreme Court because he tnk they want. Thursday is going to be the day its announced and im predicting the fear, charlie, the fear of being soudered again, that its going to be rock solid. Thats all in for this evening. Good evening, rachel. My girlfriend susan has had a long long crush on david souder so the verb to be soudered in our house has a totally different idea. I was like where is this sentence going to be going . I thought it was going to chris hayes and i thought i can hardly blame her. You went with david souder. When weve known each other a long time, when weve known each other a really long time, to be hayesed will have a different meeting. Thank you, chris. Theres a lot going on