There are now just three days until donald trump is sworn in as president and it will happen against the backdrop of deep unpopularity among the American People. A new nbc news wall street journal poll finds just 38 have a positive view of trump while 48 have a negative view, making trump the most unpopular incoming president in the history of the poll. Of course, trump doesnt buy it. After other polls showed similar ndings trump tweeted the same people who did the phony election polls and were so wrong are now dog approval rate l polgs, they are rigged, just like before. The polls are not rigged but they can be wrong sometimes. We should note National Polls entering election day turned out to be pretty accurate. Hillary clinton won the National Popular vote by 2. 86 million vote, about two percentage points. On election day, National Polls showed her leading be i three points. Again, pretty close. Thats in part, of course, and important to remember that its not trumps popular vote total or unpopularity with the American People that john lewis cited when he deemed trump an illegitimate president and said he would boycott the inaugurations sparking the movement. At least 59 democratic lawmakers say they wont attend trumps court inauguration. So many we couldnt fit them on to one single graphic. No, what lewis cited was the u. S. Intelligence communitys determination that the russian government intervened in the election to boost trumps chances of victory. Of course, we still dont know the full story of what steps the russians took to help trump or what influence the russians may or may not have over him, releasing his tax returns would help in that regard. We also dont know if the reports are true that the fbi opened an investigation into explicitly collusion between the russian government and the Trump Campaign. Heres what we do know. We know democrats want answers. Today democrats on the Senate Judiciary committee asked attorney general nominee Jeff Sessions to commit he will not impede or shut down any fbi or Justice Department investigation into the russian effort. Also, we know trump who has been all over the map on a host of issues has been reliable and consistent advocate of the russian view on a host of crucial Foreign Policy matters. Nbc news today published a list of nine things trump has said since the election that might make Vladimir Putin smile including calling nato obsolete, down playing allegations, putin has ordered the murder of journalists. We know Vladimir Putin has Donald Trumps back and we know that because he wants the world to know it. In an extraordinary News Conference in moscow putin rallied to trumps defense accusing the Obama Administration and democrats of seeking to undermine trumps legitimacy by spreading false information. Translator there are several goals set in this fight. Maybe there are more but some are obvious. The first one is to undermine the legitimacy of the u. S. President elect. People who do that, whether intentionally or not, they harm the interest of the United States significantly. Is he also denied that russia has compromising information on trump garnered while trump was in moscow a charge trump vehemently defies. Putin telling reporters, this is a word for word translation this is an adult from that first of all and a part far is a man who took part in organizing beauty contests. He has socialized with the most beautiful women in the world. I find it difficult that he troop meet with our girls of reduced social responsibility although here also we have the best ones in the world. Joining me now masha gessen, author of the man without a face, the unlikely rise of Vladimir Putin, which is a fantastic book. Thank you. What is he doing here . Having fun. Felt like the Mission Accomplished it was a victory lap. Hes been taking a victory lap for a month now. At his annual press conference in december he had a journalist ask him what does it feel like to be the most powerful man in the world and then he took credit for the american election. I think he feels hes been elect president of the United States. One of the things you wrote about when this the dossier was published by buzzfeed and leaked about how it itself functions as a kind of delegitimizing document. It was interesting that putin takes the opportunity to reaffirm the unsubstantiated claims in that dossier and to make sure they are reaired. Were down the rabbit hole. Yes, we are down the rabbit hole because he why is he reaffirming . It affirms his view of reality. He thinks this is how the world works. You have lots of fls information that emerges. Theres no such thing as actual democracy. Everything and anything is illegitimate. So he adds fuel to the fire because thats a fire he believed in. That doesnt mean he was behind anything. Thats right, thats right. To me, one of the things thats so clear and upsetting about the way youve written about shim the sort of like almost astringent cynicism that everything about liberal democracy is complete bankrupt pieties that everyone is on a hustle, i am, you are, we all are. It feels like American Political Culture has moved in that direction, whether thats because of russian influence or not. And thats what i find most disturbing. I find it disturbing that here we are at the top of your show on this important day with outrageous stuff going on in Congress Talking about putin again. Right, right. Well, hes won, right . Hes won. What do you make of the fact enough fbi investigation, msnbcs live coverage its the brexit folks, the national front. There is this project being done and putin is part of it but its organic to many other states to kind of undo the liberal order as we understand it. Absolutely. And thats really important part. The important part is out there in the open, you dont have to look for a conspiracy to understand this man is out to destroy the world as we know it. And that includes eu and nato. That includes eu and nato. And that includes nuclear security. And what duds that mean, though, to have someone like the president elt then endorsing that . Of the United States. It is an existential threat to all of us. You really mean that . I really mean that. One of the things that i think is maddening when you talk about the rabbit hole here is theres not going to be some like i want there desperately to be some definitive rendering of judgment, right . Like theres an fbi investigation, maybe well find some smoking gun document somewhere and in some cases sometimes there are, right . But thats not the way its going to work, presumably. Welcome to journalism under autocracy. Thats the problem, you can never journalists, and we dont realize it until we lose it rely on working institutions of state to actually get the truth. You need an independent judiciary, you need intelligence agencies doing their job, you need Law Enforcement doing their job. Once they start to become subsumed by either, you know, controversy or, as happened in russia, you know, being absorbed into the executive branch, you no longer have that. So youre constantly trying to find the truth in a sort of squishy reality. Masha gessen, thanks for being with me. Appreciate it. Among those who trump has been feuding with in the runup to his inauguration, outgoing cia director john brennan who suggested trump doesnt fully understand the threat posed by russia, prompting trump to accuse brennan of leaking that unsubstantiated dossier detailing trumps alleged ties to russia and the compromising material they have on him. Brennan denied that charge explicitly to the wall street journal saying was i a leaker of this, no. Brennan harshly criticized trump for drawing a link between u. S. Intelligence agencies who trump suggested leaked the widely circulated document and nazi germany. Brennan telling t wall street journal tell the families of those 117 cia officers who are forever memorialized on our wall of honor that their loved ones who gave their lives were akin to nazis. Tell the cia officers serving in harms way and their families worrying about them they are akin to be nazi germany. I found that to be repugnant. Ill forever stand up for the patriotism of my officers who have done much over the years to sacrifice for their fellow citizens. Joining me, Evan Mcmullin who ran for president in 2016 as an independent. Your reaction to brennans comments and the fact that james woolsey, who served in various National Security posts criticized brennan and said he should have some respect. Well, woolsey, unfortunately, has taken up defending donald trump and even defending what he himself describes as donald trump not leveling with the American People and even toying with the American People on the truth about russian hacking and russian efforts to influence our election. As a former cia officer, i have to say ive been most disappointed by director woolsey. As far as what brennan said, look, hes standing up for his people and he should stand up for his people. Donald trump, the president elect, is attacking the very people he will depend upon to understand whats happening in the world. These are people like i did who are sacrificing their lives potentially sacrificing their lives, sacrificing everything in their lives as they serve overseas and hes attacking them. He will depend on them to understand whats going on in the world. Although he should, it doesnt seem he will and so the question becomes where will he get his information. What will his source of Sensitive Information be . Well, and i think one of the things were seeing is this notion and ive seen members of congress say it, senators, pundits, that the sort of the Security State and Intelligence Community will have its revenge on donald trump, right . Ultimately. And theres something to me thats worrisome about that idea, right . Thats not the path down which we would hope that sort of the resuscitation of American Democratic institutions would go. Yeah. I push back a little bit on that idea because, you know, when you serve with the cia, youre taught to serve our policymakers regardless of whether theyre republicans or democrats. Youre also committed to upholding the constitution and defending the country. And so there are fundamental conflicts between donald trump and e intelligcend National SecurityCommunity Around his very dangerous ideas of partnership with putin as he attacks our democracy and an effort to undermine nato. They oppose this. Hes driving towards it. Thats a problem. I want to play you know, one of the things Vladimir Putin said today was i dont know the guy. This is one of these simple things, like have they ever met or not, do they have a relationship . Donald trump was asked this on the record in 2013 for the pageant by our own Thomas Roberts who was there as well. Take a listen. Do you have a relationship with Vladimir Putin . A conversational relationship or anything that you feel you have sway or influence over his government. I do have a relationship. I mean, donald trump says a lot of things and some of them turn out not to be true so we can take that as him idle boasting . Or maybe he does, i dont know. The thing is before the election and the years preceding the election he said multiple times he had a relationship and had met with putin, that putin gave him gifts, it was the normal thing he would say before the election that he had this relationship with putin and if you watch the rest of that video, you even see what were taught to recognize as micro expressions in the cia that tell you a lot about where a persons coming from. This this case you see donald trump sort of light up with a child like glee over the notion that he has this over his claim he has a relationship with Vladimir Putin and that Vladimir Putin is watching what he does very closely. Yes, he says hes probably very interested in what were doing right now. Thats right. There is the letter today from the Senate Judiciary committee which speaks to a larger question which is that to the extent that theres any definitive judgment whether there was any collusion or the full story of the hacking that that rests in the government that will in three days be controlled at the top by donald trump. Can he unilaterally shut that down . If theres an investigation being run out of congress he doesnt have the authority to do that. But i mean federal branch. If theres something in the fbi well, yes. On the executive side, he can. Thats why its so Important Congress follow through with this. But the risk there and the challenge there is that Congress Wont have the political will to do it and thats why it falls on us as american citizens to ensure that our representatives in congress see this through, that they do investigate. Short of that, its the media, its the press and were going to need to depend on the press to pursue it. Evan mcmullin, thank you for your time. No us to meet you in person. Like wise. Still to come, the leader of the democrats in the senate is calling for trumps pick to hhs. And obamacares sudden surge in popularity next. Later, the contentious hearing for the billionaire republican donor donald trump picked for education secretary, well bring you inside the hearing and introduce you betsy devos ahead. Do you think if you were not a multibillionaire, if your family has not made hundreds of millions of dollars of contributions to the Republican Party that you would be sitting here today. Take one. Directv now. Stream all your entertainment anywhere anytime can we lose the all. Theres no cbs and we dont have a ton of sports. Anywhere, any. Lets lose the anywhere, anytime too. You cant download onthego, theres no dvr, yada yada yada. Stream some stuff somewhere sometimes you totally nailed that buddy. Simple. Dont let directv now limit your entertainment. Only xfinity gives you more to stream to any screen. Coming into 2017, republicans made clear that their plan for the Affordable Care act was to repeal and delay. That is, repeal obamacare then come up with a replacement later. That plan now appeartoe falling apart. President elect trump has repeatedly promised a simultaneous replacement plan. At least Six Senate Republicans have openly expressed skepticism or opposition about repealing a law without a replacement ready to go. Just today, for instance, Time Magazine reported senator Susan Collins of maine has told her republican colleagues she can not support the repeal without a replacement. Again, that margin in the senate is just three votes. So now it looks like republicans will need to have a replacement plan ready to implement as soon as they repeal the existing law. But heres the problem as pressure mounts for republicans to come up with a replacement for obamacare, obamacare itself is actually enjoying record levels of popularity among the American People. According to a new nbc news wall street journal poll, 45 of americans now believe the Affordable Care act was a good idea compared to 41 who think it was a bad idea. The first time, we should note, since the laws package in 2010 that more people approve than disapprove. If youre wondering why so Many Americans have suddenly changed their minds about the law, look no further than a report just out from the Congressional Budget Office which found that a repeal plan like the ones republicans have proposed would increase the number of people who are uninsured by 18 million in just the first year with millions more losing coverage in the following years. All of which makes the job of replacing obamacare a daunting task. Now, add to that the fact that the man charged with leading the replacement campaign, republican congressman tom price, continues to face a series of ethical questions that threaten to derail his confirmation for secretary of health and Human Services. In november, the wall street journal reported that price had traded over 300,000 in shares of healthrelated companies while overseeing legislation that would have affected the value of those companies. Last week, Kaiser Health news reported price got a sweetheart deal on some stock from a Biotech Company that his committee in congress is in charge of regulating. And a new time report shows price insted isix companies within weeks and even days of sponsoring legislation that benefitted those companies. Today three Democratic Senators on the committee overseeing prices nomination called for that hearing to be delayed until these allegations can be further investigated. Joining me now, the man leading the calls to investigate representative prices actions as well as fighting to save the aca more broadly, Senate Minority leader chuck schumer. Hi, chris. Good to see you. You know, the job in an oversight and confirmation hearing is to tease out this stuff. Why do you think the hearing should be delayed to further investigate these charges . Well, first, theyre very serious charges. The latest one, which came out yesterday, is the most troubling of all. Representative price bought stock in a rather Small Company that specialized in hip and knee replacements and a week later introduced legislation specifically aimed at exempting them from regulations. Now that, any prosecutor would say, oh, boy i better look into this. And to have the hearings and try to have the vote before we know the results here, thats a huge mistake. Its not draining the swamp, as president elect trump promised, its making the swamp worse. I should note, just for the record here, that that report which you just cited from cnn, the Trump Campaign has called for a retraction of that, they just issued a document i think minutes ago attempting to rebut it. I have not had the opportunity to read it because im on air with you. Ill tell you what they say, they say its a broker who bought the stock. Well, we dont know thats the case. Thats their word third hand. The ought to be an investigation. The facts here are so, so troubling that only a real and independent investigation will get to the bottom of it. You would then postpone this hearing. One of the things that the hearing, i believe, would center on is a fascinating report yesterday which is about the fact that price himself does have quite a comprehensive vision of what a replacement for obamacare would look like. Yes. And i saw a report yesterday that in his briefing from the trump folks, theyre not telling him what their plan would be because they dont want him to answer questions about it. Well, prices plan would really hurt. It gives leeway to the Insurance Companies and hurts the consumer dramatically under prices plan i believe the number of ininsured gould up. Prices for just about everyone. The cost of health care would go way up. Its a business oriented plan that doesnt help the consumer. So i can see why the Trump Organization doesnt want to support it. Their basic problem is that for six years the republicans have been talking about repeal but havent come up with a replacement and i think the trump people will find it troubling, theyre stuck, the president elect has said he wants to keep the benefits of aca, 20 million people, kids can stay on their parents plan until theyre 26 treating women equally, all of those cost money yet when they present a plan the hard right will say i dont want to spend any money on health care so theyre stuck between a rock and hard place and they dont know what to do and ill say one other thing, chris, the momentum as you pointed out is changing. People are now realizing. When they called for a repeal, repeal and they couldnt do it. People said, yeah maybe they should repeal it. Now that its a factor people are realizing how much they benefit and lots of those people are bluecollar people in red and purple states that voted for trump. Is that your theory of what were seeing in the polling . Were seeing the polling move and mobilization on behalf and in defense of the aca unlike weve ever seen in six years of the law. Is it to you just that basic that once youre actually face to face with the reality of the thing going away that galvanizes people . Exactly. And you know, if our republican colleagues were real about this i mean, theyre ideologues, they dont like to see government help people and so when the obamacare came out they hated it way beyond the what the law said, it was just the fact with that government was doing something to help people that they didnt like. Representative price, for instance, wants to privatize medicare, wants to greatly reduce medicaid. Same kind of thinking, totally against what the American People believe. And so they have this ideological vision but they cant translate it into reality unless they hurt a whole lot of people. Right. So then the president elect, someone that youve talked to on the phone and youve expressed openness to working with on areas of shared agreement on policy, maybe infrastructure, china, and trade, he sounded like a democrat the other day when he said basically i want to expand coverage, lower deductibles and then he said something which doesnt sound like i dont know who it sounds like. I dont care about paying for it or not paying for it. Yeah can you imagine a world where democrats work with him. Maybe tomorrow president elect trump will come out for single payer. A lot of liberal democrats would go right along with that. Can you imagine working with the president bypassing Congressional Republicans and working with the president elect on some kind of obamacare exsnangs is that a crazy thing to ask . I have a feeling the right wing, the pences and the people in his circle and cabinet would never let him do that. I think when he tweets and says i want to keep all the benefits theres not a lot of depth and study behind that. Senate minority leader chuck schumer. To put it kindly. An appropriately wry expression on that last line. Appreciate it. Come back. Thanks, chris. Byebye. Coming up, why the Trump Administration strategy to push through their nominee confirmations isnt going as plan. The resistance after this quick break. Five jammed in last wednesday alone, all scheduled to compete with the president elects First Press Conference in half a year. It was suggested the usual norms and traditions no longer applied there was the smaller stuff like general james mattis a waiver to serve as defense secretary before waiting the legally required seven years after his retirement. Then there was the big stuff like moving ahead with hearings before the nominees had even completed ethics agreements or fbi background checks. Senator james inhofe was explicit about the new conditions for trumps nominees. So its different now because its trump the Huffington Post asked him . Thats just right, inhofe said. But they werent counting on the level of public scrutiny and outcry over its strategy and although Mitch Mcconnell rejected the possibility of any delay, guess what . His caucus ultimately agreed to reschedule several hearings for nominees with incomplete paperwork. Trumps picks for education and commerce were both pushed back an entire week while his pick for labor secretary wont get a hearing until february. And several of trumps nominees are looking a lot less like a sure thing. Andy puzders charles jr. Had 50,000 in wage theft and his wife once appeared on the Oprah Winfrey show in disguise to talk about her experience. Puzd may be havingond thoughts about taking the job. Chuck schumer just told me about his grave objections to health and Human Services nominee tom price who faces multiple allegations of untoward financial dealings and thanks to his ties to russia, secretary of state nominee Rex Tillerson is just one vote away from failing to make it out of committee though, as i always say, if your life depends on marco rubio having a spine, youre already dead. We can still expect the Republicancontrolled Senate to confirm most of trumps nominees, but the lesson from all this and its just been a few weeks is that the laws of physics didnt just go away after donald trump won the election. In politics, gravity still exists. The hearing is now under way for trumps nominee to be secretary of education, betsy devos, hes an activist with a long list of conflicts including possible ties to a student Debt Collection agency with business before the department shes been picked to lead. Coming next, the showdown between devos and senator Bernie Sanders. Would you be so kind as to s . Crest whitestrips crest 3d whitestrips whiten. 25 times better than a leading whitening toothpaste i passed the tissue test. Oh yeah. Crest whitestrips are the way to whiten would you be so kind as to tell us how much money your family has contributed to the Republican Party over the years . Senator, first of all, thank you for that question. I wish i could give you that number. I dont know. I have heard the number was 200 million. Does that sound in the ballpark. Collectively between over the years. Between my entire family . Thats possible. Senator Bernie Sanders first question to education secretary nominee betsy devos who has donated to five of the republicans overseeing her hearing tonight before the committee on health, education, labor and pensions. Devos has never held a position in Public Education either as policymaker, administrator or teacher. Shes worked as an activist and lobbyist advertising for the privatization of the k12 state. Michigan has been a major beneficiary of her largess, since the law inntiving the creation of Charter Schools was passed, 80 of michigan charters have come to be operated by forprofit companies. In that same period according to a federal review, the number of charters on michigans list of worse school has doubled, a portion the review called unreasonably high. Im joined by diane rav rich is, author of rein of error. Theres a few things to talk about here, one i just want to put into context, a bunch of senators raise the hearing today, theres not really a precedent for a department of education secretary whos never worked in Public Schools in any capacity. Just starting off there before you get to the other ideological stuff. Well, there were governors. You could say Lamar Alexander was governor of tennessee, but a governor has a huge responsibility for Public Education because its usually the singlebiggest expenditure in their budget. Betsy devos on the other hand has zero experience in education other than as a lobbyist for vouchers and charters and home schooling and cyber charters. She is a dedicated enemy of Public Education and 85 of the kids in this country are in Public Schools. Devos has michigan has been a laboratory because theres a lot of devos money there, he she has a high degree of influence, particularly in detroit. Your assessment of her record there. You have to understand betsy devos. The family is worth over 5 billion according to forbes so they have a lot of money to spend. She and her family have given a lot of money to the legislature and she basically runs the state when it comes to education. They do what she wants. In the year 2000, she and her husband sponsored a referendum to change the state constitution to permit public noun go to religious schools and the voters turned it down 69 to 31 . Then dick devos ran for governor in 2006 and he lost and so they decided better to work from the inside. And what they have been able to do is to create like the wild west of charters. I read the law. Anyone can open a charter. You or i could go to michigan and open a charter and they would give us money. If we can gather students, we can collect the money to open charters. Theres literally we should say there are lots of people in the charter mutual which is a movement you are quite skeptical of, there are people in that movement who are do not like devos because they feel this complete wild west lack of credentialing is tarnishing the broader movement. Michigan was criticized by some group called Something Like the National Alliance for authorizers of Charter Schools saying it michigan has one of the worst laws in the country because the charter people who are reputable want to see accountability. Betsy devos and her husband actually have us couraged accountability, discouraged supervision. The Detroit Free Press ran a series saying the charter industry in michigan is now a 1 billion a year industry thats unaccountable and unsupervised. Unqualified people are running Charter Schools. And we should say, my sense from the folks ive talked to about betsdevos, people in education circles, this is a true believer. This is a genuine ideologue who genuinely thinks the entire paradigm, existing paradigm of Public Education is bankrupt and statused, possibly unchristian. She is a believer in undoing and destroying that. Well, shes been quoted as saying her efforts on behalf of choice meaning anything but Public Schools are advancing gods kingdom. And theres a lot of christian evangelical language that gets into this. The devos family supports a lot of fundamentalist organizations, antiunion, antigay, antithis, antithat, but the big thing theyre interested in is breaking up what they call the government monopoly. The thing thats so crazy about this is if you were to look at the research on the ten Top Performing nations in the world, none of them have a free market, all of them have Great Public School systems so wherever you live, whatever your zip code theres a good public school. They dont have charters and they dont have vouchers so shes pushing an ideology that has been proven not to work. And the best evidence of this is to look at michigan itself where the charters are lower performing than the Public Schools. And detroit, which is overrun with charters and forprofit charters, the results there are abysmal. She was talking in her hearing earlier this evening about results are what matter. There are no results from michigan. In fact, the whole state of michigan has declined on the National Test over the past 15 years. Diane ravich, thank you for your time tonight. Thank you. Why john dean, former white House Counsel to president nixon, says trump could be more corrupt than nixon himself. Dean will talk about that ahead. Plus, tonights thing 1 thing 2 starts right after this break. Thing 1 tonight. When donald trump takes the oath of office on friday, Michael Flynn will become the new National Security advisor. As you may remember, another Michael Flynn made headlines last month, that would be Michael Flynn, jr. , the former lieutenant generals son. Flynn, jr. , stirred up quite a bit of controversy when he tweeted about an insane Conspiracy Theory that Hillary Clinton was involved in a child sex ring run out of a pizza shop in washington, d. C. , also known as pizzagate. That Conspiracy Theory, which is completely untrue, exploded on the internet leading one man to show up at this pizzeria on a mission to flee the imaginary captives before firing a rifle into the restaurant and getting arrested. The same day that terrifying incident occurred, december 4, that was when Michael Flynn jr. Decided to start tweeting about pizzagate. The problem is, flynn jr. Wasnt just related to the next National Security advisor, he had a government transition email address and served adds his fathers chief of staff. The trump team initially denied flynn jr. Was part of the transition before eventually fessing up to the truth and firing him. Now, youd think that might have turned flynn jr. Off from tweeting, but you would be wrong. Just yesterday, he tweeted out this very thinly sourced article from a web site called voltaire. Net that says his own father is going to basically just take over the entire intelligence apparatus of the u. S. That sounds like a bombshell, except theres a big grain of salt which is the byline of that piece. And thats thing 2 in 60 seconds. Michael flynn jr. Who should have learned his lesson about conspiracy theories after he tweeted about pizzagate and lost his job with the Trump Transition Team tweeted this article claiming his father is going to take over control of the 16 intelligence agencies from the director of National Intelligence when he becomes National Security advisor later this week. The article doesnt seem particularly credible, the author says he got the information from our sources and trump announced his pick for director of National Intelligence earlier this month, former indiana senator dan coates. Why would flynn jr. Boast about his fathers plan to take over his job . The biggest reason to take it with a grain of salt is the biline. The the man who authored two books about 9 11 conspiracy theories. 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The president commuted most of the remaining sentence of Chelsea Manning. Army Intelligence Analyst served almost seven years for charges relating to a massive 2010 leak which brought worldwide attention to wikileaks. Mannings sentence of 35 years was by far the longest punishment ever imposed in the United States for a leak conviction. Man willing now be released on may 17 of this year instead 2045. Manning was also in the spotlight as a transgender woman. Former bradley manning, she began her reassignment in military prison, the question of whether the military allows her to undergo sex reassignment surgery is still being decided. She tried to commit suicide while in solitary confinement which was a punishment for a previous suicide attempt. Late last week, josh earnest illustrated the position on manning. Chelsea manning is somebody who went through the military criminal justice process, was exposed to due process, was found guilty, was sentenced for her crimes and she acknowledged wrongdoing. Criticism of the manning commutation has begun. House Speaker Paul Ryan saying in a statement president obamas action was outrageous and sets a dangerous precedent, a position that pardoned Edward Snowden was not acted on by the white house. As for the connection to wikileaks, an intriguing claim made last week, wikileaks tweeting if obama grants manning clemency Julian Assange will agree to u. S. Extradition. Interesting. Today president obama we should te also pardoned james cartwright, a general and former vice chairman of the joint chiefs of staff who pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about leaks to reporters on the iran nuclear program. The power of the presidency and how it will be used by the next president is giving Richard Nixons lawyer nightmares. John dean joins me next. Listen, i dont want a president whos warm on the outside and warm on the inside, too. I want one thats warm on the outside but i want one who when the tough decisions are made is cold and tough and will make the right decision without fear of failure. During the time of watergate, attorney john dean was white House Counsel to president Richard Nixon, widely seen as the most corrupt president in American History and he used the power of the state to settle political scores, kept an enemies list, vowing revenge on those who got in his way and spied on those he considered to be a threat to his presidency. Acts of vindictiveness and petty criminality resulting in him becoming the first president in American History to resign. Which brings us back to john dean, the man whose job it was to advise nixon on legal issue. He has an interesting perspective on what the company is facing with trump preparing to take the oath of office. Dean was quoted as saying the american presidency has never been at the whims of an authoritarian personality like donald trump. Hes going to test our democracy as it has never been tested. Joining me is john dean, white House Counsel under president nixon from 1970 to 1973. Mr. Dean, how do you understand donald trump in relation to your former boss Richard Nixon . Well, ive thought about that a lot, in fact, a lot more than i really wish i had, as i said to mckay who wrote the piece for the atlantic. Hes given me nightmares and i didnt have nightmares when i worked at the nixon white house. Its unusual. Anyway, the way i see the problem is that everything nixon was in secret and we wouldnt even know about if we didnt have the tapes that he kept a record of everything he did and a number of his private offices and on his telephone calls so we wouldnt know that nixon because he never really showed that nixon publicly whereas trump is out in front. He doesnt try to hide this very his revenge, his dark thinking, his thinking out loud when he should be thinking things through before he makes a statement hes just out there. Thats whats given me problems. I know the sensitivity of the job, even a person whos experienced in washington which trump is not its a delicate and difficult job. Thats whats given me nightmares. One of the points in the piece that i thought about is that the presidency is more powerful than it was in the era of nixon, its probably more powerful than its been in the history of the american republic, particularly as regards to National Security. Thats very true. Postwatergate, the president didnt lose power, the congress started exercising its power and becoming more of a constitutional coequal. But whats happened postwatergate and during the bush cheney years is powers have been added to the presidency. Congress has started relinquishing its responsibilities. The media has become weaker as a check as well so the office itself has filled that void and article ii under the constitution that is the basis of the presidency is really a blank check and once the trump people get in there and find out they have a blank check, it creates nightmares to think about what they might do with it. In terms of the checks that you just said, one of the things that strikes me as well is partisanship it was ultimately fellow republicans that made the trip to the white house to tell Richard Nixon he had to go. Do you imagine if that scenario were to play out today with partisanship and polarization as intense as it is, particularly on the republican side that maybe they just ride it out . As long as trump is, indeed, letting them legislate in the way they want to and not making them vetoing things and making them try to get over his veto and what have you i think theyll be happy to have him there and theyll do their thing and he can do his thing and so long as he doesnt too badly embarrass them, nothing will happen. I see no check on the congress. I see little check in the media today. Its standing is not much above the ngresself while th will be lots of articles and lots of complaints, hes got a bigger megaphone than anybody else and weve seen him use it throughout the campaign and the transition and i dont expect anything difference when he gets in the white house. What about Public Opinion . I was going back today and looking at Public Opinion as watergate came out it was brutal. It was brutal for nixon. His Approval Ratings went through brutal for the Republican Party. Ultimately more than anything that was the check, right . He had lost he had entirely lost the faith of the American People and that was the end of the road. Doesnt that still exist as a check or am i deluding myself . I think that is a check. When a president has really no public support at all or gets down in the low 30s thats when hes in in trouble because members of congress start running from him. They will not want to risk their political careers to give him support and comfort so that indeed is the check. But weve got to remember the base that put trump in office is a very low Information Base they have a lot of tolerance and some like what hes doing, hes going to shake up the system so were talking a couple years of this before it shakes out and where a broad base of the public turns against him. I dont know whats going to happen in that period. I think it will test the system like its never been tested. Its interesting to think about the test of watergate because there were ways in which that tested the system in ways it had never been tested. It ultimately i think came through and partly depending on folks like yourself and others who were there and in crucial moments did the right thing and i think thats something we should look for. John dean, thanks for joining us, appreciate it. Thank you, chris. Thats all in for this evening. The Rachel Maddow show starts right now. Good evening, rachel. Good evening, chris, thanks, my friend. Thanks for staying with us for the next hour. We knew this was going to be a busy news week, we knew in a week like this we should count on an unpredictable rush of news over the course of the week. We were not wrong about that. Today has been a little bit nuts. This afternoonthe prident leased his last major batch of pardons and commutations including one for the former deputy chairman of the joint chiefs, marine general hoss cartwright. He was facing serious prison time for talking with a reporter about a top secret covert action against iran. General cart right will be pardoned for lying to the fbi about those conversations. Army private first class Chelsea Manning who leaked reams of military and diplomatic files to wikileaks, she will not be pardoned for her crimes but she will have her sentence commuted after serving roughly seven years in prison. Shell get out of prison in may. Well have Charlie Savage from the times in just a moment to talk about those cases. We can expect president obama himself to talk about those cases tomorrow in what will be his last ever president ial press conference. With only two more full days of this presidency before the next one starts, today was the day when one of the women who accused the incoming president of inappropriate sexual