Transcripts For MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes 20161028

Surprise. Shes actually going to make two or three speeches. When all in starts right now. Hello. Good evening from new york, we got some breaking news as you can see right there, that is the plane for the Vice President ial nominee of the Republican Party, mike pence. That is the Campaign Plane which just few minutes ago landed in laguardia and skidded off the runway. There are about 30plus folks inside. Everyone is safe and fine. But a scary moment. The plane skidded off the runway. An alarm was put out. As you can see, Emergency Personnel evacuating the plane as both the Campaign Staff that travel with indiana governor mike pence, as well as the traveling press that covers him, including some of our own, were on that plane when it hit the runway and apparently skidded off in the rain. We are now awaiting, hopefully, some more word, but as of now, it sounds like everyone was fine and believed there were no actual injuries during that event. Were hoping to get a confirmation of that. We do have confirmation, at least early confirmation, that no one was hurt in any severe way. I do not know if we have made contact with the governor, himself. The Vice President ial nominee, mike pence. Obviously a little bit of a chaotic scene on the runway in laguardia on this windy and cold and stormy night in new york city. Jeb hensarling, the congressman from texas, apparently traveling on that plane on the House Financial Services committee. We believe that everything is fine and were going to get and allclear and nbc producer Vaughn Hillyard who was on the plane is with us. Vaughn, what happened . Im with the campaign. John, what happened . Hey there. Am i live, guys . Youre live. Youre live, buddy. Okay. Were on the tarmac here at laguardia. The plane had a tough landing. This isnt the first time this planes had a tough landing. The flight was actually delayed by about two hours when the plane landed, we were going through the going through the clouds, hit the ground, and and we started to skid. You felt skidding. The plane started to swerve to the right and there was some bumping then the plane stopped. As i said, this isnt the first time. This is the tenth Campaign Plane, hes been flying on this plane for threeplus month, suspect the first time the plane has had a rougher landing. Its become sort of a joke, get ready for the landing. But obviously the conditions were a little bit more difficult here in new york city tonight. And were going to zoom in, that is karen pence, that i believe youll be seeing. I think were on a little bit of a delay. That is karen pence getting off the plane there. But the plane swerved off and we need to okay. We need a shot of the governor. So were being taken away from the scene here. Youre going to see the governor here in a few moments. Were being led away, but the plane slid off. Everybody got up. There was no to be clear, everything flew around and flew forward, but the situation was not in which anybody was being thrown around. The governor got up quickly and he walked and he walked back to the back of the plane. Actually was making sure that everybody was okay. And even kind of gave some fist pumps in the air just as everybodys okay, everybodys safe. Hes making sure that everybody was okay. We didnt actually realize that we were totally off of the runway when this happened. But it wasnt until we started to see the lights, the ambulance or the fire trucks all out there. You can see the response. Were just kind of going with this at this point, you guys. Yeah. But the governor was okay. Karen pence is on the plane, karen pence the first lady of indiana, charlotte pence, their oldest daughter who travels frequently with the campaign. Campaign staff, the secret service who takes up ten rows and about eight members of the press and then they brought up the stairs and obviously we just got off i think we saw earlier when the feed started coming in, you saw mud streaks and we are were being were sorry. Were being taken away from the scene here. Vaughn, its basically can you tell me, obviously the governor and his wife and their daughter, them, staff and press, is that basically whos on that plane . Yep, thats whos on the pence plane. He had a stop he was coming from ft. Dodge, iowa, landing for a fundraiser which well see whether that happens. That was going to be at trump tower this evening. The trump, actually, we sent video earlier of the governor playing football on the tarmac because of the weather conditions. Ill let you handle what the actual weather, what the situation was, but we are able to see here, im going to go over here to the right and you can see how close we are, again, i think there are videos on 20second delay here. But youll see how close to the road we are over here on the right side. And literally inside of the grass wow. I dont know if you guys are seeing that now. Yeah, we can. And you see actually, im going to zoom in here to where the fence is. You dont its actually pretty remarkable. Now, were just coming to grips with kind of looking at this. How close we were to how close we were to the road. That plane is pretty far off that runway. Yeah. Its in the grass there which i guess the impact of the plane created mud which is the mud marks that we are able to see when we first got off of the plane there, but everybody im pretty sure ive still got i still have bags up on the plane. The Fire Department came and said, please, everybody, just get off the plane now. We were trying to establish a shot here. Again, we didnt even realize honestly what happened right when it happened, but the governor got up immediately, made sure secret service, made sure the press was okay. I think we got the shot. We see him back over here. Sorry. Its a i may even have some raindrops. Vaughn, where were you guys coming in from . We were come in from ft. Dodge, iowa, where we had a campaign event. We had about two, threehour flight. So weve been in the air for a little while. We knew the storm was in here. It was delayed for the fundraiser, was supposed to start earlier this evening in new york city. Were there announcements made, obviously you guys had no idea what was happening, felt the impact, didnt quite realize the skid. Did anyone say anything about what was happening as it happened . Absolutely. And, you know, ill be honest, i had my phone out and was recording a fellow reporter was sleeping, and because its not unnormal to have these hard impacts, we were recording it. I literally turned it off because i thought we were fine. Then suddenly we slid off. But everything, phones, water bottles, about two seconds after the landing, suddenly everything just shot forward. My seat belt wasnt fully tightened and i flew forward and was obviously caught by the seat belt, but you realize pretty quickly that after skidding there the part was that it took the sharp right turn after about maybe four or five seconds, took a sharp right turn and then maybe three seconds later we came to a dead stop. Which obviously the plane when youre on the tarmac, youre on for a little bit of while there, and and, yeah, so you can see the governor is there right now. Mr. Pence, karen, first lady, was getting off the plane. We saw charlotte pence earlier, their eldest daughter. Hes traveling with several campaign advisers. You just saw him get some photographs with some of the near department here. Again, to be clear, theres no injuries. Everybody was fine, but as we zoom back out over, youll see here where the plane is, compared to and the response we saw those lights immediately. And i was actually hearing that there was originally reports, we were on the plane, somebody had said that they heard there was a report that a plane had gone off the runway but not realizing that that was the plane that we were on. Again, this is the plane that the governor has riding since july. Its a 737. Those of us who ride on the pence plane like to think its a nice plane but im not sure when this guy will be getting back up and going again. Were going to fast forward here, youre going to see more staff and Fire Department getting off the plane. Vaughn, you had said that you guys had some bumpy landings on that plane. Am i recalling correctly, the captain, the man who had piloted the pence plane early on was replaced at some point . Is that right . That is yes. Weve actually had several pilots. Im not sure the extent. I know what youre referring to. I dont know the extent. Theres pilots that rotate in and out that fly the 737, the Campaign Plane. Im not sure, to be perfectly honest, who is piloting this time around. The governor did say when he came back to the back of the plane, they were able to see inside the cockpit and there was actually mud on the front window which was our first indication we were, in fact, definitely off the runway because the governor, himself, said there was mud. I dont know the extent to this pilot i dont want to jump to conclusions. Of course. The plane this isnt obviously this is a specialist, a commercial airliner. This is not just a onetime thing. Its been happening in the past. Will you just tell me right now, we got some images of First Responders, i think obviously theres police, theres firemen, there are secret service, of course. Theres the secret Service Staff that travels with the governor at all times. About how many folks are in that detail . With the secret service detail, theres probably about 15 of them that are on the plane. Again, at the front of the plane, there are about four three, four rows yeah, four rows in which Campaign Staff including the governor, mrs. Pence and charlotte pence, their daughter, ride on, and then behind them is about eight rows of secret service and then behind them is where the press sits. And as you see, i mean, this is a it looks like a pretty standard plane. Two seats on each side of the rows. And, again, immediately the governor got up, made sure that everybody was okay. But, yeah, no, this was probably about 30, 40 people that were on the plane. And thats and so its actually not that huge a staff the governor a traveling with at this point. No, no. The governor is traveling so the governor, mrs. Pence, charlotte pence, adviser mark short, Michael Glassner who was an original from the Trump Campaign was on the plane today. He typically does not travel with the pence campaign, but his lucky day. Todays the day that he jumped on the plane. As well as mark short and Michael Glassner, mike water, the press secretary for the governor, you had jordan karem, their travel director. Bobby who is their tour lead. And zach bauer, special adviser and body man for the governor. Thats pretty much his core the chair of the campaign was not on the plane, but were 11 days out, he was doing a new york city fundraiser tonight then he was going to be leaving tomorrow. Hes actually doing hes actually going to be on, if i may promote, hes going to be on morning joe tomorrow as well as cnbcs squawk box. Well be hearing more from him tomorrow for sure. Poor contingency. Youre seeing the Airline Attendants that are there that are going out here. Hold on one second. Im going to turn down my audio. Sorry about the were trying to operate the camera. Vaughn, im going to actually let you go and keep that camera because just so folks know, vaughn right now is multitasking. Hes operating the camera, vision that youre seeing as hes talking to me. Yeah. At the same time. Im going to let you try to maybe get some more information and hold that the pool camera there. Im going to bring in nbcs tom costello who i believe we have on the phone at this moment just to give a sense, obviously, the details of what exactly happened here, we are still trying to track down. How often does Something Like this generally happen, tom . Well, listen, having a plane coming in, im watching the video come in as well, you know, theyve clearly got a very rainy, difficult weather night there in new york. And whenever youre coming in on a landing, and keep in mind, a 737 is going to come in somewhere in the neighborhood of 155 Miles Per Hour or so, assuming this is a 737 300. And laguardia already is known as a challenging airport. Whenever you come in for a landing because its right there, as you know, sitting right on the water. And so when you are dealing with coming in at 155 Miles Per Hour on a rainslick runway, these things can happen. You know, we get reports of planes off the end of the runway across the country. Id say probably almost once every week or two. Somewhere in the country. And it happens so often, you know, we just dont even it doesnt even make news very often because for the most part, they slide into the mud and nobody is injured and you have a lot of people asking questions about how this happened. And what will happen now, of course, is youll have both the faa and probably the ntsb, but surely the faa will take a look at exactly what happened in the cockpit, how fast was the pilot coming in, did he or she hit that runway early enough . Or did they hit it too late . And as a result, didnt have enough runway space at the end . But the chances are did we lose tom there . Sounds like we may have lost tom on the audio there. Thats live footage right now from the runway, if youre just joining us, Laguardia Airport, where the charter plane, the 737 that flies governor of indiana mike pence, of course, the republican v. P. , just skidded off the runway during a rough landing. You can see there, the plane up in the upper left hand corner of that screen, that grassy field there is where the plane ended up stopping. Not too far from the fence that marks the end of the airport. So a pretty scary landing for the folks, 30plus that were on that plane that includes the governor, his wife, their daughter, charlotte, as well as about 15 secret service and about a dozen members of the press corps including our own Vaughn Hillyard who at the moment is directing that camera amidst the somewhat chaotic and rainy scene on the runway in laguardia. Let me bring in a. J. Delgado, Trump Campaign Senior Adviser. Well, very happy everyones okay. Absolutely. Alls well that ends well, but certainly a scary situation. I mean, this kind of makes you realize how much governor pence and all candidates really put themselves out there, including even their safety with this constant travel. Its a grueling schedule that they all have, including even secretary clinton. Yeah. It is, the amount of travel that goes on to a modern campaign is pretty remarkable. Generally, campaigns have, you know, large chartered planes like this one, a 737. This is not an island hopper or Something Like that. These are significant significant pieces of aircraft that they use to get around. Thats a huge sort of almost traveling universe. Im sure youve been youve been on trump force one, of course. Yes. And, you know, there are is this sort of weird mobile village that kind of grows up amidst the campaign with everyone from people from all different vectors, Campaign Staff, the candidate, secret service, press, everybody sort of thrown into very intimate quarters and they spend a lot of time together. Right. Its a motley crew kind of entourage and with stakes that are very high. Its an interesting experience on these planes. Especially tonight. Glad to see everybodys okay. Vaughn hillyard has a little more information. Vaughn, you there . Yes, i am. So whats going on now . Yeah, so our shot here, we are the marine were getting out of the were leaving the marine air terminal, so the motorcade is now leaving. Mike pence is no longer going to his fundraiser. The motorcade here has taken off, so mike pence is no longer going to the fundraiser. We just talked to mark lauder, a spokesman, he said, yes, there were no injuries. He said that Port Authority is looking into it. Everybody was on scene quickly. Now youre going to get a shot here in which this is were now being taken away. I think were going to be following the motorcade here. Are we going to be following the motorcade . No. So mike pence, were not sure exactly now where hes going. Well work on getting that information. He had originally, a fundraiser for this evening planned. They said they are going to reschedule the fundraiser. It was going to be at trump tower. We had a camera there waiting for the governor once he arrived, but hes no longer going. I guess after all of this has taken place, the Campaign Says that theyll reschedule it. I think that probably makes sense. All right. Vaughn hillyard who did incredible work tonight. Thank you, vaughn, for all of that. Im glad youre safe. Im glad everyones safe. Looks like you are pulling out of the airport there from what i can tell from that live shot in the back of that car. Vaughn, thank you very much. Were going to take a short break. Well be back with much more. Dont go anywhere. Jay knows how to keep his whee spinning. Ce shorts dad. They dont make em in adult size this is what t pros ar. Look at thlines. Uhhh. Look at the other line. Mhh. Thats why he starts his day with tse two scos. In deliciously heart healthy kelloggs raisinran. Ready to eat my dust . In deliciously heart healthy tobad i already fied up on raisins. Jay knows hell rea for the turns ahart, hey dont forget to put upyour. Ring bell kelloggs rain bran. Sighs. And y kelloggs raisin now with more crunchy clusters. All right. As you just saw this hour, the plane for Vice President nominee, mike pence, the Republican Party, skidded off a runway in laguardia on a very windy and rainy night. Thank goodness, as far as we can tell and confirm, there were no injuries. Everyones okay. The governor of indiana, his wife, their daughter, their secret service detail, have headed off in a motorcade. Where, we do not know. They canceled a fundraising event he was scheduled to make at trump tower. This hour, donald trump, his running mate, about to start his third rally of the day in ohio. Earlier, trump claimed momentum in the race saying polls show him with leads in battleground states across the electoral map. We dont want to take it for granted, but we are winning in a lot of states. I have to say, the media now, theyre going wild. The medias going wild because theyre saying, you know, this guys winning. In florida. Hes winning in North Carolina. Hes winning in iowa. Hes winning in ohio. The media isnt quite saying that. Well, a rash of new polls suggest the race has tightened slightly, in recent days Hillary Clinton continues to hold the lead over trump nationally, and a clear lead in enough battleground states at this moment to put her over the top. Adjusted National Polling average, nate silvers 538, shows clinton with a sixpoint lead over trump overall. Adjusted state polling averages slow clinton with leads in all four of the states trump mentioned although the race is effectively a dead heat tied in iowa and ohio. Crucially in pennsylvania, a state trump desperately needs to win, hes down more than 6 1 2 points in 538s adjusted polling average. The race is tied in arizona, a state that should be a layup for a republican president ial nominee. Refusing to admit publicly hes down, trump is suggesting clintons policies are so bad, maybe you shouldnt have an election. Thinking to myself right now, we should just cancel the election and just give it to trump, right . What are we having it for . In case it wasnt clear from the context, that was a joke. The candidate daydreams of that, his stuff staff is grappling with the picture they face in the real world. Blockbuster new piece in bloomberg businessweek, its reported that trumps San Antonio Research team spends 100,000 a week on surveys and sophisticated models that run daily simulations of the election. As a result, trumps staff knows hes losing badly. Nate silvers results have been similar to ours says trump political director except they lack by a week or two. Using targeted facebook posts and other means. Idealistic white liberals, young women and africanamericans. Senior official in the Trump Campaign described this effort by telling bloomberg, we have three major Voter Suppression operations under way. What he seems to be talking about is negative campaigning to depress turnout, not what is commonly called Voter Suppression. With clinton by her side in North Carolina today, Michelle Obama lambasted the trump camps effort to depress turnout which she said included trumps claims the election is rigged. If hillary doesnt win this election, that will be on us. It will be because we did not stand with her. It will be because we did not vote for her. And that is exactly what her opponent is hoping will happen. Thats the strategy. To make this election so dirty and ugly that we dont want any part of it. If trump does lose this election, dont expect him to go away quietly. Bloomberg reports by election day Trumps Campaign expects to have gotten email addresses, small donors ponied up 275 million. Could become the audience for a new Media Venture or backbone for a Third Party Political movement and force the gop to conform to trumpism instead of moving away from a candidate who lost. In the words of trumps digital director, we own the future of the Republican Party. Joining me now, coauthor of that piece, bloomberg businessweeks josh green. To some extent, i think the story about the Trump Campaign is theyre basically winging it and this was a window into the fact that they may be winging it in certain ways but there is also an actual organization there doing some of the stuff that campaigns typically do. Yeah, i mean, that was a real takeaway to me. I think the reason they cooperated with this piece was that they were little miffed at the idea that their campaign is really no more than trump and his twitter feed and they have, in fact, built a pretty ambitious data operation down in san antonio, they conamed it project alamo, and they basically showed off all the bells and whistles which while it may not resemble a traditional campaign, has turned into a real monster smalldollar fundraising machine, which is allowing trump to build up this really valuable this, this audience of donors that conceivably can be transported over to Trump Tv Network or some new social media play, if he doesnt win the election, or if he does win the election, hes got a big list of supporters backing him up. Yeah, theres a number of bernie sanders, exsanders fundraising and digital team folks that are know or follow on twitter and they have basically looked at this operation being built in realtime and they built an incredible operation, obviously. Its what sort of powered that campaign in certain ways, and they say the metrics that theyve hit in terms of the number of donors they have, the amount of money theyre able to bring in, is really remarkable in the short period of time they constructed it. It really is remarkable what theyve done, and i think the most interesting guy in the whole story is this guy, brad parscale, he we profile, essentially one of the most powerful people in the trump organization. Crazy story. He used to build websites for trumps Real Estate Properties and the trump winery. Trump trusts him. He likes him. He gets a lot done. Eventually as various members of the Trump Campaign, corey lewandowski, Paul Manafort got fired, left, parscale got more and more authority and built this machine throwing off all these millions of dollars to the Trump Campaign. Its also interesting he said to you, yeah, our numbers are the same as nate silvers with a twoweek lag. That was a sort of amazing moment of honesty and clarity. Well, they have built sophisticated data models. I mean, they hired the cambridge analytics, they spent millions and millions of dollars doing this stuff. They havent really said this to the press, so i think its one of the reasons why its so surprising, but look, if you put good scientists in a room and you use good polls and crunch the numbers right, youre going to come out with i would assume a more or less accurate picture of the election. Right. And the numbers they showed us did not differ dramatically from the kind of numbers you see from good public forecasters like nate silver. The only point that the trump people made was, look, were out there every night making thousands of calls in all these battleground states. Right. We see see this happening in realtime. Yes. A lot of these public guys have a twoweek lag. Everybody who works inside campaigns think public polls are incredibly passe because they get the data every night in real time. Josh green, thanks for your time. Thank you. I want to check in with nbcs Hallie Jackson where trump is about to take the stage. I understand trump called governor pence to check in and make sure everything was okay. Reporter thats our understanding, chris. He was in the motorcade, he landed in cleveland basically at one of the airports in the city, like a 50minute drive to geneva, ohio, where we are now. At some point on that motorcade we are told by a spokesperson that donald trump called governor pence to check in to make sure everyone was okay. Said he was obviously happy that everybody was safe. So that is sort of what you might expect from the top of the ticket with the running mate when an incident like this happens. An incident that obviously is now creating a Ripple Effect for travelers. Frankly, potentially including us, trump typically would land back at the fbo at Laguardia Airport after his rallies and that is where we were set to head tonight. So well see how that unfolds. He is about to take the stage if im listening behind me correctly. I think his music is about to begin. I wouldnt be surprised if he mentioned what happens at the top of his remarks, chris. Thats something to see. Donald trump walks on the stage right now. Chris . All right. Joining me now conservative columnist, a. J. Delgado, Senior Adviser to the Trump Campaign. Thank you for your patience there. Im glad everybody is okay. At laguardia. Rick, what do you think of this quote, we own the future of the Republican Party . Look, the Republican Party sold itself lock, stock and barrel to donald trump so they do in a way. If youre talking about the trump demographic owning the future, its not a very long future since theyre about 65 years old median. So im not convinced that they completely control the future. I think what were going to see is the Republican Party at the end of this, if trump crashes and burns as it looks like he will, the Republican Party is going to a faction of it will split off and say, we needed more trump, more peppy the frog, more White Supremacy. Theres a fraction thats going to say donald who, what . Theyre going to pretend he never existed and hope they can just skate out of it. I think theres a growing number of conservatives who are following folks like Evan Mcmullin who are looking at a future where a conservative center right third party that gets rid of the legacy code and the negative stuff that has accrued around the Republican Party, moves forward into the future. I think youre looking at a Republican Party crackup in a lot of these scenarios. All right. Donald trump taking the podium right now. Lets take a listen for a second. And youve got thousands and thousands of people standing outside trying to get in. Its amazing. Its amazing. And you know, when i came over, i was just watching the television, i watched one of the commentators say that we have a few thousand people here. Few thousand. You know what a few thousand people, that means 3,000 people. He said we have a few thousand people and i said, oh, these people. Forget it. This is not a few to me, a few thousand is 3,000. This is no 3,000. This is 15,000. This is no 3,000. This is 20,000 if we get them in. So well try getting them in, but lets start, right . Thank you, everybody, for being here. In 12 days, we are going to win ohio and we are going to win back the white house. Believe me. About time. Thought he might Say Something about the plane there, but big crowd there in ohio which we should note is a state he is sort of one of the states hes outperforming right now, looks like hes outperforming mitt romney in 2012. Its very tight there. A. J. , your response to what rick said. I have to say as a latina, the mention of there being an element of White Supremacy in the Trump Campaign is ridiculous and offensive. Somebody in her 30s i can show them to you. I find the age you mentioned saying the average trump supporter is in their 60s is ridiculous. This is what they do, they attack us with the same old tired democratic talking points of racist, whatever it may be. The bottom line is, we own the Republican Party. Brad pascale, secret weapon on our campaign, tremendous guy. The paul ryan style of conservatism, the george bush style of conservatism, prowar, protax cuts only for the rich, which is maybe what rick likes is dead. Thank god. Thanks to donald trump. Look at paul ryans favorability numbers across the country. That conservatism is dead. Its now the trumpian style of conservative. Thank the lord. Rick, ill let you respond. Two little things, one, the tax cut plan put forward by donald trump is actually more skewed to the rich than no, it isnt. George w. Bush. It is. But, and the second thing is yes, it is. I just want to distinguish between two claim, right, which is if youre a trump supporter youre there for a racist or white supremacist which i would never say and dont think rick would say. The people out there that are racist and white supremacist, theyre overwhelmingly and publicly supporting donald trump. Thats not true. Can we talk about the real issue . A. J. , it is true. The people on the White Supremacists allright movement in this country flock to donald trump. Rick, as someone who doesnt have a job right now, my good friend whos a veteran and doesnt have a job right now, stays home taking care of his father with alzheimers, they dont have money to find the proper care for him. Do you think he wants to watch this show, see us bicker who has two white supremacist twitter followers, rather than whos going to help he and his family . Can we talk about the real issues . The fact that david duke and the alt right have flocked to donald trump and that Republican Leaders and this makes a difference in the average voters lives how . Cant say. Failed to step up and consistently denounced the fact that donald trump, this is he has denounced david duke dozens of times. He appeals to these people. The dog whistling never stops from donald trump to these people. And the fact of the matter is this is a guy so being against illegal immigration is dog whistling according to them . This is how ridiculous the discourse has become, rick. This is a guy who is feeding these people with a nod and a wink every single day, a guy who constantly denigrates women, muslims, minorities in a host of different ways. Im not saying every person who supports donald trump is a racist, thats absurd. Every racist you turn over every time you turn over a rock and find a racist, they have a red m. A. G. A. Hat on. There is not a theres not a coincidence here. Let me ask you this about how folks are feeling inside the campaign. He watches a lot of tv, donald trump. Notice that . He watches a lot of cable news. He enjoys being informed. Thats to his credit. He watches cable news. Theres obviously sort of this perceptual thing, every campaign ive ever covered up until the day youre there, ive been with candidates who are down 40 points saying were going to win, shock the world. No one goes around saying, were getting our butts kicked. It does happen. I guess my point is, like, you guys feel you are prepared, how would you characterize the race . Tied, close, donald trump is winning . Were winning in the key that i care about, florida. So i would say i wouldnt say its a dead heat. I would say were slightly ahead. Theres one poll out today if you said it was a dead heat, id say thats fair. Its anybodys race right now. Rick, do you think how much does what happens on election day matter to the validity of that statement about we own the future of the Republican Party . Which is to say if donald trump wins, obviously, thats one scenario, if he outperformed mitt romney or underperforms john mccain, does that does the range of options here matter in terms of what ends up happening to the Republican Party . You know, i dont think it does, chris, because Donald Trumps brand is so deeply offensive to so Many Americans that i think that, look, republicans ran campaigns against democrats for 40 years using ted kennedy and jimmy carter as sort of the demons out there. The represented the worst of liberal excess, et cetera. Democrats are going to have donald trump to hang around the necks of republicans because the Republican Leadership in this country has failed again and again and again to hold donald trump to account, to make him conform to the values that the party claims it represents, and to show some spine and backbone when this guy continues to do things that are profoundly offensive to women, to minorities, to muslims. This is a guy whos hes like a 360 degree offense machine. You can be this guy will attack people no matter who they are and that damage is going to spread throughout the republican infrastructure because its leaders failed again and again to stand up and to stand for the principles that they claim the party represents. Do you think do you think it matters, obviously if he wins, he becomes president of the United States, that matters a lot. Do you think it matters if he doesnt win, what the nonwin looks like . No, we will win. I do think the at the end of the day, rick, getting back to what you said, though, about, look, maybe there is racists out there that wears a m. A. G. A. Hat. There probably is. I wont dispute that. Ive encountered them. Who will benefit minorities more . They have to talk about things like this because they wont beat us on the issues. Even illegal immigration, its africanamericans who suffer from it most. A. J. Antiracist platform and policies belong to donald trump. Not to Hillary Clinton. I will conclude i will conclude this by saying not at all, look at illegal immigration. I think voters will have some sort of referendum on that well find out on election day. Rick wilson, a. J. Delgado, thanks to you both. Thanks, guys. Donald trump speaking in ohio there. He has not mentioned the brush with runway that his running mates plane had at laguardia, although everyone is safe. Hes doing his spiel there. We will be right back. This ilulu, our newest dog. Mom didnt wananother dog. E said its too much wk. Lulus hair just floats. Uhh lp me doorbell mom, check this out. Wow. Swiffer sweepe and dusters. This is what imalking about. Icks to this bette thansticks to lulu. Thatsour hair lulu mom, cane have another d lghing mom, cane have another d trapndock up to 4x more , lghing dust and hair than the store bran stop cleaning. Start sfferg. All right. As we just showed you moments ago, thats the runway in laguardia where the Vice President ial nominees plane skidded off. Donald trump speaking right now at a rally in ohio, a state that is a dead, dead heat. Joining me now, senator sherrod brown, democrat from ohio. He early voted a couple days ago with his wife, connie schultz. Senator, before we get to ohio, also some important business taking place in cleveland and chicago, you had a close brush, yourself, you got into a car accident a few days ago. Sounded like it was scary. I have to read the tweet after this your car accident. Thanks for caring concern, doing fine. Grateful to parma police, medical staff and my jeep made with American Steel by Union Workers in toledo. I have to tip my cap for being on message in your response to a car accident. I also said better to happen to me than corey kluber, so somebodys going to get hurt, that week, better me than the indians cy young winner so you take one for the team. I know youre a cubs fan, everybody in america feels sorry for the cubs because its been so many years. Chicago wins basketball, nba, nfl, i dont know much about hockey. So much winning, your head will spin. White sox won. Its clevelands turn, man. Back off. You guys won. You guys had an amazing win last year for that city which i think you could palpably feel how incredible it was when we were there this summer. Cleveland indians playing great baseball in these playoffs. Im very excited. I will be at wrigley saturday night. Im excited about that. Lets talk about your state. This is a heavy lift. Its really interesting going through data, looking sort of getting in there. Youre seeing this interesting thing happen in this race where you got a state like virginia where, you know, two cycles ago people said democrats in virginia, i cant believe theyre going to win virginia, democrats now, Hillary Clinton, theyre up by sizable portions. It is absolutely neck and neck in ohio. Virginia, actually, both in 08 and 12, the margins were bigger for president obama in virginia than ohio. Ohio almost always goes with the winner. Hillary is going to win ohio. The polls are very close now. I can see two things happening. I can see Union Members who might have flirted with trump a little bit are coming around to vote for hillary. Ive spent a lot of time in union halls, a lot of time talking to workers, and Union Activists are talking to their coworkers that also belong to the union and are not yet there and are moving toward hillary. The other thing thats happening, a lot of young people that may have thought about gary johnson in july and august and september are now realizing that, one, he doesnt really represent what they believe, and second, they understand that how important it is so vote for hillary against trump. So shes going to win the state. Its going to be not as its going to be closer than maybe virginia, certainly pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan. Shes going to do well here. Its amazing when you look at county breakdowns in a state like ohio where democrats have enormous margins in major metropolitan areas. They then have to sort of fight to keep that margin in rural areas, particularly. There was this moment on fox news i wanted to play you in which it was sort of a cat out of the bag moment about what this is really about with bill hemmer talking to sean spicer. Take a listen. Im looking at early voting. So are we. You have good news in ohio. We do. White share of the vote is up three points. Black share of the vote is down seven. Early vote is where democrats do well. We do very well on election day. Republicans tend to show up. Democrats need to do very, very well. Im talking im talking about mailin ballots. Im not talking about inperson voting. I understand that. I mean, at one level its true, right, that is good news for the Republican Party, but its also sort of just remarkable thing to think about in the context of where we are in terms of an american democracy. Yeah, they i mean, its about suppressing the vote for this crowd. Look at texas. I mean, texas, if you have a university of texas student i. D. , that doesnt get you a ballot, but if you have a concealed weapon permit, that does get you a ballot. And look at what theyre doing, North Carolina and ohio, the republicans eliminated whats called golden week. Golden week. The week you could register and vote. Created bipartisanly by the legislature, signed by republican governor bob taft who is really a real moderate, decent republican. Hes not the right wing that theyve all become. The right wingers theyve become. But theyve clawed all this back, so in ohio it is a shorter window, a smaller window to vote early, but the theyre going to be there. I mean, democrats are going to be there. People of color are going to be there. People that want to support hillary are going to be there in early voting. We will catch up and do better, if in fact, im not sure of the number, if, in fact, were not doing as well as we were four years ago. That wasnt a lefty plot by a. C. O. R. N. , golden week was just this idea you could go register and vote at the same time, it was the same period of time and it was good for turnout. It was good for participation. The republicans in control of the state just got rid of that and they didnt get rid of it with some, any argument about voter fraud. They just got rid of it. Yeah, and there was a case that went to federal court then it was overturned after one of these registration one of these rollback, clawback on registration on opening up registration, a george bush judge voted in favor of keeping the registration more open and liberal and an appellate circuit judge, Circuit Court reversed it. Youve seen it, the secretary of state now in ohio has purged hundreds of thousands of voters. So were seeing this effort all over the country. As you know, chris, as you point out in the show, first time in 50 years the Voting Rights about wont be enforced in states around the country and its clearly suppressing the vote. The only way they can win is to do that. They know that their ideas dont work. Even if they had a better candidate, their ideas arent selling so they suppress the vote. All right. Senator sherrod brown, thanks for joining us. Go, cubs. Enjoy saturday night. I will. Not too much, chris. All right. We will have more. We got some more information about that hairy moment at laguardia that happened earlier this evening with the Vice President ial nominees plane. Well have more on that just after this break. All right. Weve got an update from nbcs own Vaughn Hilliard who took that footage on that plane on the Vice President ial nominee, mike pences plane, after it skidded off the runway there in laguardia. Vaughn, just let us know, whats the latest . Reporter hey, chris. So mike pence is headed back to his hotel for the evening. He had a trump tower fundraiser tonight that he is no longer going to, but he did call in to the people that were there. He was supposed to be there earlier in the evening, but because of the weather here in new york at laguardia, the airplane was not going to be able to come into the airport and so he was already delayed. Going off the tarmac made it a little bit worse. But he called into the fundraiser and talked to the people. Hallie jackson also reported that mike pence talked with donald trump in the motorcade back on the way to manhattan. He is going to be in manhattan overnight. Hell be doing some morning shows as well. Hes on morning joe in the morning, or so is the plan now. The Campaign Says that a new Campaign Plane is already on the way to laguardia, which it will take off tomorrow. Vaughn, for folks who are just joining, can you just tell us again what happened on that plane . Reporter sure. So we were landing, and this is not the first time weve had a bumpy plane. Weve never got off the runway before. But we were flying into laguardia through the clouds, through the rain. We had a very sudden rough impact upon landing, but then for about two, three seconds, it continued to go down the runway. At that point it was kind of a sharp veer to the right, in which thats the point where it really felt like we were swerving off the tarmac. And then there was a little bit of impact as we were going through the grass, which turned into mud, and thats when we realized that we came to a very sudden stop and realized that we were in fact off the tarmac. Fire trucks, ambulances, quickly rushed to the scene, the lights went up and we could see how close, we saw some shots earlier in which you could see how close we were to the roadway. Thats when it became real. Weve kind of taken it for granted rough impacts on the pence Campaign Plane but that was obvious when you saw the road and the lights that this wasnt a normal landing here at laguardia. Im so happy youre safe. Mike pence tweeting so happy everyone on our plane is safe. Grateful for the First Responders reporter they were there quickly. Vaughn, thank you very much and thanks for the great work you did taking that footage as well. All right. So donald trump is in ohio. Mike pence traveling from iowa back to new york. Meanwhile earlier today, Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton on stage together for the very first time at an event in North Carolina. Here is what that looked like. Hillary doesnt play. She has more experience and exposure to the presidency than any candidate in our lifetime. Yes, more than barack, more than bill, and, yes, she happens to be a woman. Joining me now, michelle bernard, president and ceo for the bernard center, joy reid, host of a. M. Joy right here on msnbc and charlie pierce, writer at large at esquire. Michelle, i want to ask you this. The gender gap weve seen open up, how much is that gender gap, because it seems like its working in both directions. Its not only that donald trump has bragged about serial Sexual Assault and now been accused by 12 different women on the record. He used to run beauty contests, all sorts of things. Theres also the first women nominee in major party history. How much of that wedge is each of those factors in your mind . You know what, it is it is really so hard to tell. Ill tell you, from one day to another i change my mind. I would at first think that all of the things that we have heard come up with donald trump would push so many women towards Hillary Clinton, and weve seen that, for example, with republicans for Hillary Clinton. But when you look at Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton on the stage today and you think about the nations history from the first Womens Rights Convention in seneca falls in 1848 to women being able to get the right to vote and to get equal credit and to get an equal pay act, to get the violence against women act, to black women feeling sort of lost in the conventional womens Rights Movement in the United States and having to form their own organizations and here we have two first ladies, africanamerican, white, one running for the presidency of the United States, it is a historic moment. I cant imagine that women did not watch this speech today and think to themselves that they that this is an opportunity for them to be a part of history like they were with voting for barack obama in 2008. Charlie, Michelle Obama, i saw her give do an event in nevada in the primary in 2008 and she was great. She has only youve been covering politics for a long time. Like she is very, very, very good at this. Yeah. I thought she gave the best speech at the Democratic National convention by a couple of lengths. And that was a pretty good row of speakers there, including most of the people who were out there now operating as surrogates for the Clinton Campaign, who if nothing else the Clinton Campaign if nothing else has the 1927 yankees of surrogates, because i saw Elizabeth Warren the day before and she tore it up. But i think, you know, Michelle Obama, i did not see her that much during the 2008 campaign. Shes become a very good public speaker and a completely different one from her husband. Which i find fascinating. Hes i mean his shes a little bit less poetic and a little bit shes a little bit less jazz and a little bit more rock n roll than he is. I mean the emotion is very close to the surface every time she speaks. I found i found her to be one of the most effective surrogates for exactly the reason charlie identifies, joy. First of all, shes in a unique position, the first lady always does. Generally they have high favorability, theyre sort out of the daily thrust of politics, but her as the vouch as the person vouching for Hillary Clinton, theres some what is it about her vouching for her that has the effect it does . Well, Michelle Obama, first of all, is a first for a lot of reasons. First ladies dont do this. What shes doing is not even what Eleanor Roosevelt did. Eleanor roosevelt was probably the most active first lady weve had in politics up until Michelle Obama. She didnt do it in 2008 for a lot of other reaches. But what Michelle Obama did in 2008 was to take her magic wand and tap barack obama for black people. I was doing radio back then. A lot of africanamericans didnt think he was authentic. Name is barack obama. Black people see people with unusual names but he had everything against him. Not really chicago, really hawaii and an exotic figure and i know i was doing a show that had a mostly black audience who were more for hillary than barack obama. Then michelle came along, tapped him with her magic and he seemed instantly authentic. She seems like your cousin, she seems like someone you know. Shes so real. Shes taken that magic and put that magic onto Hillary Clinton. She called her my girl. That was magic for Hillary Clinton. That is such a great point and that history is so lost in many respects about what happened in 2008 and particularly in that South Carolina primary and getting there and her being able to sort of laying on hands role that she played then, reprising it now for Hillary Clinton. Absolutely. Michelle bernard, joy reid and charlie pierce, thank you for staying with us on a somewhat hectic night. I appreciate it. That is all in for this evening. The Rachel Maddow show starts right now. Breaking news. We had obviously no notice and you did great with that. Not to blow up our email correspondence, but thank you for your onair fact checks and fact confirmation of something i said, which i greatly appreciated. You were wondering if there had been a previous news story about mike pences pilot. There was, you sent it to you. You responded on air. Well done, my friend. My favorite email get, you were right. Ill send you one every day from here on out. Thanks to you at home for joining us tonight. There is a lot of news, including a few stories that are still developing as we speak. As chris and i were just talking about there in the last hour, a plane carrying republican Vice President ial candidate mike pence in fact skidded off the runway at new yorks Laguardia Airport. Now, the important bottom line here is not only governor pence himself, but everybody else on the plane is safe. Everybody is fine, there were no injuries. That said, the plane did go off the runway and it chewed up the runway pretty good over the course of this hard landing. After the plane, the mike pence plane skidded off the runway at laguardia, the airport was actually closed. Laguardia was shut down after that incident, so we are going