Which if youre surprised, this Campaign Continues to surprise every day. We start tonight with some breaking news. Hillary Clintons Campaign announcing shell return to the campaign trail on thursday after taking three days off to recover from her well publicized bout with pneumonia. Police have arrested a man accused of hitting several antitrump protesters during a donald trump rally last night. They also issued a warrant for a different man who is accused of punching what local news reports identified as a 69yearold woman outside the rally. She told a reporter she was there protesting trump as well and appears in the photo to be wearing an oxygen mask. After a whirlwind few days focused on Hillary Clintons health and Donald Trumps deplorables today brought the singlemost important piece of election news this week, possibly the entire campaign and for once that had nothing to do with either candidate. U. S. Census bureau announcing that real Median Household Income increased 5. 2 up to 56,516. Its the first increase in Household Income since 2007 before the great recession, the fastest growth on record since the Census Bureau started keeping track almost more than 40 years ago. These arent just numbers. They make a real dins. The average household earned nearly 2800 more last year than it did the year before. And if you can distill the Trumps Campaigns message down to a single idea america is a disaster, everything is terrible, Hillary Clinton will only make it worse and you must vote for trump because, and im quoting, i alone can fix it. And think of this, Median Household Income has fallen by more than 4,000. 4,000. We have people standing in this room who made more money in real wages years ago than theyre making today. They didnt work as hard. They were a hell of a lot younger. It should be the other way around. And we lost our jobs, we lost our companies, and were not going to let it happen anymore. Were going to get our jobs back. Were going to bring our companies back. Todays news, and more specifically and importantly, the reality reflects undercuts trumps doom and gloom message. While clinton wasnt on the campaign trail today to point that out, she happened to have the perfect surrogate out there making the case the economy is thriving. The time had come for him to pass her the baton. Republicans dont like to hear good news right now, but its important just to understand is a big deal. More americans are working. More have health insurance. Incomes are rising. Poverty is falling. And gas is 2 a gallon. I didnt even thank you for reminding me. Thanks, obama. Crucially the economic gains were seeing arent just going to people at the top of the economic spectrum which has been the case for most of the recovery. It was the lowest earning americans on the left who are seeing the biggest growth in percentage terms in their real Household Income. In a speech today, the president didnt just make a case for clinton and continued Democratic Party policies, he also mocked trump for casting himself as a champion of the working class. Lets talk about mr. Trump. Hes not really a plans guy, a fact guy. He calls himself a business guy. But americas got a lot of businessmen and women who succeeded without hiding their tax returns or leaving a trail of lawsuits or workers who didnt get paid. People feeling like they got cheated. I mean, look, you know, i keep on reading this analysis that, well, you know, trumps got support from like working folks. Really . Like this is the guy you want to be championing working people . This guy who spent 70 years on this earth showing no concern for working people. This guys suddenly going to be your champion . I mean, he spent most of his life trying to stay as far away from working people as he could. And now this guys going to be the champion of working people . I mean, he wasnt going to let you on his golf course. He wasnt going to let you buy in his condo. And now suddenly this guys going to be your champion . Here with me now michelle goldberg, a columnist for slate and a reporter for the new york times. Weve got donald trump making a speech tonight on policy. Theres been a real policy turn from donald trump which has been interesting. He was quoted by saying its just bureaucrats putting together paper. It doesnt matter. How Kellyanne Conway saying shes proud of how policy focused the campaign is. Ultimately this question is due to how much of the fundamentals matter. If youre looking for fundamentals, this saz important as fundamentals news gets. This is very good news to working families. It does undercut trump. But the gains in these are not wildly are somewhat narrow. Rural parts of the country, which are trump parts are not feeling it. Things are not as good as they were at the peak of the 1990s. The question is who is feeling which part of it . Who is feeling the good news and the bad news and how do they vote . Nobody changes their vote on the basis of these census figures, right . No, no. So if your own situation feels very precarious, you know, and u have a lot of anxiety, maybe it could ease your anxie a little bit but people are basing these things about their situation and their neighbors situation. So the kind of unofficial slogan of a lot of this campaign has been nothing matters, right . And people say that every time trump says something that doesnt disqualify him people say nothing matters. This is the test. Will this puncture trumps message of kind of america in freefall . Or does truly no empirical fact kind of puncture the bubble that he and his are living in . And i think hes trying to extend into as many swing voters as possible. I guess thats what matters. The question here, right, so you have the president coming out being first of all, youve also got Hillary Clinton sort of on the bench because of the pneumonia diagnosis, then youve got i think the president was pretty happy to be out on this day when the news came out. It was suffused through his entire bearing. Someone yelled 2 gas. It reminded me of the fact that i was going back through dumb Little Campaign micro controversies, someone reminded me in 2008 when gas was high that you should check that your tires are fully inflated because it actually reduces gas mileage. There was a point when john mccain was handing out tire gauges. Gas was 4 a gallon then. This message about who is in and who is out ultimately looks like the defining fundamental structural part of this campaign. Weve got polling out of maine, which is not doing very well, saying that the race is tight. Weve got virginia and colorado, states that should have been swing states that look like runaways for Hillary Clinton. There are rightleaning swing states that are in doubt for trump and leftleaning swing states that are for Hillary Clinton. And as everyone says, the sense of security the next paycheck, the last, is the future going to be better than the past . The real big sensations on what people based a vote on and its not the gdp or the average Household Income. Not just the next paycheck, because trump voters are actually doing pretty well and doing well relative to voters relative to sanders voters, but when in Public Opinion surveys their kids arent doing well, their communities are in disrepair. That kind of doesnt change because the fundamentals are improving. I want to play this bit of sound because theyre talking about child care tonight, Maternity Leave. Theres the sound of trump talking about how he views men and womens roles in caring for a baby. I wanted to get michelle and your response. Youre going to be a new father again in the near future. I am. I am. Do you actually change diapers . No, i dont do that. Not one, right . No. I dont do it. Its not my thing. Im a good father, but thats not my thing. Its nobodys thing. Yeah, but its no ones thing. Yeah, but some women well, its up to the women. Theres a lot of women out there that demand that the husband act like the wife and, you know, theres a lot of husbands that listen to that. You hire one person to be the diaper changer . No, melania is going to be fantastic. Shes going to be a fantastic mother. And by the way, if i had a different type of wife, i probably wouldnt have a baby. Because thats just not my thing. Im really like a great father, but certain things you do and certain things you dont and its just not for me. I think weve seen the fact that its interesting, this is not family leave, this is specifically Maternity Leave. The problem with the economy right now is that its actually set up for families who are kind of arranged their duties the way that trump does. Division of labor. And we look at that and it seems like so incredibly retro, right . Its almost kind of kitsch, what a chauvinist he is. Even if its trump, fine. Trump has incredibly retrograde ideas about women in his personal life. To me, hes incredibly retrograde about working women in his public life. None of us will remember how disgusting he found it when somebody was pumping breastmilk during a deposition. This is someone who is hostile to women when he has to work with them, working mothers. Take a look as donald trump continues to lay out his policy agenda in this area. Take a listen. This solution will receive strong bipartisan support. Do you agree with it . Do you think . When you go to the other side, theyll be ok . Im hearing they will be. Well get them to be okay, right . And well be completely selffinancing. I think you will. Youll have bipartisan support. By recapturing fraud and improper payments in the Unemployment Insurance program, we can provide six weeks of paid Maternity Leave to any mother with a newborn child whose employer does not provide the benefit. Joining me now, betsy stevenson, former member of president obamas council. We were lucky to get the soundbite, live, when we went to it. Thats the tweetlength version of this policy. You know, my first thought when i woke up this morning and saw they were rolling this out, we have bipartisan contenders on Maternity Leave. Whats your thoughts . I do think were moving in the right direction. This is a republan candidate standing up and saying were going to need to provide some form of paid family leave. Unfortunately, i think hes proposing the policy that maybe we should have been talking about 30 or 40 years ago. But today we actually in many families if not most families have both men and women who are active caretakers so providing a policy for paid Maternity Leave without any plan for fathers to take an active role and to be able to take time off to do that is really absurd in 2016. He wont get bipartisan support on that. I want to stop you there. Because theres a distinction. Hillary clinton has a paid leave portion to her website, also child care, but the way this is talked about in hillary Clintons Campaign and the democratic policy is paid family leave and one of the things i read that i thought was interesting was theres evidence if you make it just Maternity Leave you end up hurting women in the workplace because employers think to themselves oh, man, im going to have to deal with this problem of them taking leave whereas paid family leave does a better job of sort of leveling the Playing Field in that respect . Thats absolutely true. One of the great things about being the last developed country to implement any kind of paid maternity, paternity, family leave is weve learned a lot from other countries. When you only offer Maternity Leave, two things happen. One employers become more skeptical and more likely to discriminate against women because they think that theyre going to disappear for Maternity Leave and they dont have that fear for men. But the second thing is that families make that decision that women are more likely to take time off because theyre the ones whose time off is funded, then that perpetuates inequality within the household which makes it harder for women to play an equal role in the workforce. That problem reinforces itself over the next 18 years. Do you think can you imagine a universe in which there is actual i mean, i joked today that now that we have some bipartisan buyin for the general principle, even if Hillary Clinton wins, obviously, republicans will help her get this policy done. I was sort of tongue in cheek. But do you think thats a plausible scenario . The country has moved very sharply and very quickly towards the vast majority of people supporting a plan for paid family leave. And i think it is the smart thing and the right thing for republicans to get on board. I do think were going to need to come up with a truly bipartisan way to get the legislation done. But i do not think that trump has proposed anything thats close to bipartisan. We havent even talked about his absurd plan to pay for it. But i do think that were going to move to where theres going to have to be bipartisan support because both republican and democratic voters want paid family leave. All right. Thanks for your time. I should note that president president . Donald trump mentioned in his speech that Hillary Clinton does not have a policy on this. She very much does. Its right there. This is on Early Childhood education where she talked about paid leave and theres also child care all of which are themes tonight. Those have been laid out by Hillary Clinton i think back in june 2015, if im not mistaken. Still to come, some professional republicans are starting to think donald trump just might win this thing and theyre panicking. Theyre freaking out. Details ahead. Plus breaking news, the new York Attorney general opens an inquiry into the Trump Foundation. This after explosive new reporting on trumps Charitable Giving. Ill talk to the reporter thats been tracking this in just two minutes. Breaking news, attorney general snyderman has opened an inquiry into Donald Trumps foundation. My interest in this issue is really in my capacity as regulator of nonprofits in new york state. Weve been concerned that the Trump Foundation may have been engaged in impropriety from that point of view. Weve had correspondence with them and didnt make a big deal out of it or hold a press conference but weve been looking into the Trump Foundation and making sure it complies with the laws that govern charities in new york. We should note the attorney general and trump are at odds politically. The new York Attorney general is already suing him over trump university. Washington post reporter David Farentholds pursuit of trumps Charitable Giving, something president obama referenced today. One candidates Family Foundation has saved countless lives around the world. The other candidates foundation took money other people gave to his charity and then bought a sixfoottall painting of himself. I mean, he had the taste not to go for the tenfoot version. Now, that anecdote comes from the Washington Post investigation of David Farenthold that began with a simple question, what are the charities that donald trump has given money to . Farenthold has been stonewalled. So his investigation included calling charity after charity after charity trying to find a donald trump donation. The post has called 326 charities with connections to trump asked if they received a gift of the nominees own money. In 2008 that search turned up one gift. In 2009, worth less than 10,000. The Police Athletic league Childrens Charity in new york. Yesterday a big break in the case when mike pence went on National Television and said this. Anyone who knows about donald trump and his career knows that this is a man who has given away tens of millions to charitable causes throughout the course of his business life. As of now, theres still no proof of tense of millions of Charitable Giving personally by donald trump. That became very apparent again today when Trumps Campaign manager was asked about it. Do you stand by the tense of millions number . Donald trump has been incredibly general russ over the course of his life. With his own money. With his own money and his foundations money, which is his own money. No the foundations money is other peoples money. Okay. But hes been incredibly generous. Donald trump has not given his own money to his own foundation since 2008. Nbc universal made a 500,000 donation to the Trump Foundation in 2012. Joining me now Washington Post political reporter David Farenthold. All right, lets start with forget the foundation for a second. The beginning of this was a simple question, Donald Trumps a billionaire, a rich guy. Rich people tend to give money to charity whether theyre generous or not, just a thing that rich people do. What charities has he given to . And youve been stonewalled and been reverse engineering it by just calling charities and you got basically bupkis so far. He said i give millions, where did it go . And they dont give us an answer. So then we started looking. Lets try to prove donald trump right. We started looking at charities that he seemed close to. People hed given Trump Foundation money to, has gone to their galas, praised them on twitter. Ive called those groups. Thats how we started. Youre 1 for 326 on that, am i right about that . Yes. Can you show us the notepad. Youve been tracking this on this weirdly iconic notepad. Thats the no, never. Then theres the foundation that people are surprised to learn is other peoples money and also right now is in a little bit of hot water over pam bondy and maybe some of the other stuff you reported. Lets talk about the painting first. You talked about this a bit, but how did Foundation Money from other people end up in a painting of donald trump . Well, in 2007, donald trump goes to a party at maralago, his club in florida. And the entertainment for the night this was a charity gala, a gala put on by a charity. The entertainment for the night is a speed painter. He paints one painting every five minutes. A frenetic show. In the end he flips the painting over, you find out who hes been painting. Boom, its donald trump. Then they auction off the painting. Nobody but Melania Trump bids. 10,000. Nobody else is challenging her for this painting. The auctioneer said, hey, you should really bid 20,000. Youre Melania Trump. She gets the sixfoottall painting of donald trump. Later when the time comes to pay, donald trump pays using the Trump Foundations money. So he used money meant for charity in 2007, almost all of the money in that foundation was from other people. Anyway, once it goes in, its supposed to be used for charity. He uses it to buy a painting for himself, which is against the law. You cant use your charitys money to buy items for yourself. Now, in terms of clearing all this up, right, this is someone whose financial dealings are complicated. Are there documents you could see that would just sort of make all this Crystal Clear just to clear up this sort of weird inquiry youve now found yourself in . Yeah. Tax returns. Donald trumps tax returns presumably would list whatever his charitable donations have been. There are other ways we can do it, too. The Trump Foundation wants to put out a list. The tax returns would tell us more, but that would tell us something. Theres a lot of ways to clear this up. We havent gotten any of them yet. This is someone who say these were 10 billion. You found so far a 10,000 donation out of his own pocket over the last several years. They could just tell you who hes given money to, right . They could. And weve asked a number of times including a couple of times in the last few days and we havent heard it. David farenthold. Follow him on twitter, follow his reporting. A fantastic enterprise hes currently engaged in. Last night we played you the Vice President ial nominee refusing to call david duke deplorable. He had a second shot today. This shouldnt even be close. If you want higher wages, better benefits, a fair tax code, a bigger voice for workers, stronger regulations on wall street, then you should be voting for Hillary Clinton. Look, i just came from overseas. Talk to the other leaders around the world. They dont even understand how this is close. Those World Leaders the president talked to are not alone in their confusion over the state of the u. S. President ial race. The polls have tightened considerably. Hillary clintons lead now 2. 4 points down from a peak of 7. 9 points on average after the democratic convention. It has many clinton supporters agonizing that shes leading by a normal margin over a historically abnormal candidate running an abnormal campaign. According to a new nbc News Survey Monkey poll clinton holds a fourpoint lead over donald trump but thats barely larger than pesident obamas margin over mitt romney in 2012. Clintons flaws as a candidate play a role, polls show that trump is a different candidate than mitt romney. The fundamentals of this race are largely the same. Stu rothenberg points out in the Washington Post there just arent that many swing voters out there. If you look at actual president ial Election Results you may be surprised to see how little swing there is when all the votes are counted. The american electorate demographics increasingly are destiny. Show someones race, gender and class and theres a good chance i can tell you who theyre voting for. That helps explain why according to a recent poll the race is statistically tied in arizona and georgia. Two normally safe red states where populations have gotten younger and more diverse than 2012. They still favor Hillary Clinton who is tied or ahead in every single one of the key battleground states. Now, it would take something very big to turn that dynamic around. The Trump Campaign seems to think its found that think in clintons basket of deplorables comment. Mike pence landed himself in a bit of hot water for refusing to use the word deplorable infamously employed by Hillary Clinton to describe david duke, former kkk leader and white supremacist seen here at what appears to be a cross burning. Pence stipulated that he and trump have denounced duke. A running mate who refers to Hillary Clinton is not in the name calling process. The whole idea that they were trying to make pence, you know, call me names basically and he didnt bite on that was a real positive thing for all of us. Duke also took to twitter to expand on his media criticism. Quote, fight for the black and mexican interests and you are never deplorable but dare defend the heritage of white people you are so, so, so deplorable. The specter of david duke followed pence all the way to capitol hill today where he attended meetings with republican lawmakers including utah senator mike lee, close ally to ted cruz, who privately urged pence to call dukes racism deplorable, according to lees spokesperson. Later pence faced questions from the press while standing in front of house gop leadership and pretty open about his reasons to avoid using that specific word. For all the world, i have no idea why this man keeps coming up. My colleagues know that i believe that civility is essential in a vibrant democracy, but im also not going to validate the language that Hillary Clinton used to describe the american people. Look, millions of americans know and frankly you all know Hillary Clinton wasnt talking about that bad man. She was talking about people all across this country. Among the gop lawmakers sharing that podium with pence was louisiana congressman Steve Scalise who almost lost his post as third ranking House Republican when it was revealed he had given a speech to White Supremacists in 2002. He was quoted as saying he was like david duke without the baggage. Joining me now sam seder. I found this sort of deplorable statement, i like the fact that pence says i wont use that word because it validates what she said, which is, of course, the point. Yeah. Well, thats not the only word in the english language that you can use to describe an avowed racist, right . He could say reprehensible, despicable. Look, its very hard to buy mike pences argument that he thinks name calling is so destructive to the democratic process in this country based upon whose ticket hes on. Honestly, like a child could figure this out. But certainly david duke is getting the message, and certainly if you go into like the sewer, the swampy pit, youll see that when they have to distance themselves from a david duke or whatnot right. Those people rationalize they need to do this because theyre getting pressure but we know the real deal. When you refuse so adamantly refuse to attack the individual in that way, youre sending a message. And frankly, look, this is not too dissimilar from what weve seen from paul ryan. All right . Paul ryan visavis donald trump. He will critique the comments, then say im not going to be a pundit, then tells Hillary Clinton she should be ashamed of herself. He has not ever not once said anything directly about donald trump or his character. He said things he said sr. Prototype racist, but hes not drawing that connection. And theres a reason why he does that. Thats because Donald Trumps voters are paul ryans voters and theres a reason why mike pence wont say that about david duke because david dukes people are mike pence voters. Theres two things happening here. One level youre seeing real partisan sorting happening. The polls show it. Clintons and trumps numbers are going up to normal levels with their party. Republicans and democrats. At the same time youve activated this sort of ugly core of we dont know how big they are but White Supremacists, neonazis, et cetera. Now everyones in the same boat. They always were, right . But all of the distancing from trump has essentially gone away. And so the question of like how this ends up affecting the Republican Party as a brand becomes pretty interesting. Because it used to be, oh, theres trump and then theres the okay republicans. Increasingly those distinctions are getting collapsed. They should. Your argument from the beginning. Yes. Not like he appeared miraculously from the sky and became the nominee. He was elected the republican nominee. His ring has been kissed for years. John boehner said on this network, its not my job to tell members of my caucus not to push a bill that barack obama is not an american. The Republican Party has sown these seeds. Mike pence should be thanking hurricane hrg for pursuing a tactic of not lumping these people together. Talking about giving paul ryan an off ramp. They havent taken it. Its time to draw the connection here. That is a sort of interesting question, as we head into these last 56 days. Sam seder, thanks so much. Republicans hoping to lose the white house this november are now worried their candidate might actually win, to sams point. But first thing one, thing two right after this break. Looking sharp, len. Whos the lucky lady . Im going to the bank, to discuss a mortgage. Ugh, see, you need a loan, you put on a suit, you go crawling to the bank. This is how i dress to get a mortgage. I just go to lendingtree. I calculate how much home i can afford. I get multiple offers to compare side by side. And the best part is. The banks come crawling to me. Everything you need to get a better mortgage. Clothing optional. Lendingtree. When banks compete, you win. Okay . Awkward. Thing 1 tonight as Hillary Clinton prepares to return to the campaign trail on thursday after being diagnosed with pneumonia last week, her campaign is vowing to release more of the candidates medical r0rds. She released a doctors letter last year citing her specific Health History which was noticeable difference from her opponents astonishingly excellent bill of health written by this man dr. Harold bornsteen who said he worked on it for minutes while a limo driver waited outside. Hes prepared to release more details including information from a recent physical. He had that physical late last week because he believes that its important for the public to know what his basic Health Condition is. And he has said that the doctor is preparing his report and that it will be made available this week. And was it with dr. Bornstein . That i dont know. I was not present for his physical. You may not know whether he performed trumps physical but we do know who he has enlisted to analyze his medical records on daytime television and thats thing 2 in 60 seconds. This last week i took a physical. Ill be releasing, when the numbers come in, hopefully theyre going to be good. I think theyre going to be good. I feel great. When the numbers come in, ill be releasing very, very specific numbers. That was donald trump vowing to get specific with new medical details. Now, were learning exactly where hell be revealing those details. The dr. Oz show, popular syndicated talk show in which the star dr. Mehmet oz discusses all kinds of revolutionary breakthroughs such as weight loss aids which oz has had to admit before congress does not pass medical muster. Half of the information he gave on his program was baseless or wrong. But oz knows what his audience wants. The subject of cancer, quote, is our angelina jolie. We could sell that show every day. Hell be revealing his medical records this thursday. As to what might be revealed, it may not be much. Its really his decision. His personal records. Ill ask him pointed questions about his health. What if theres embarrassing things . I bet you he wont release them. Its still his decision . The metaphor for me is this a doctors office, the studio. I wont ask him questions he doesnt want to have answered. Buzzfeed has covered trump on the campaign trail is out with a new piece that details the rash of behind the scenes handwringing among professional republicans as they confront an unnerving new possibility. What if their nominee actually wins the white house . I love this quote. Youve got people that are talking donors who are going to give money to trump who think he might inaugurate the end of human life on the planet. Not an overstatement. If he wins they wont love it but they wont be facing apocalypse. I mean actual nuclear warfare. What is the mindset of these folks . This extends beyond donors. Its Political Class operative strategists. Professional republicans. Everyone in the gop Political Class. Basically all about selfinterest at this point. They believe that they dont have the responsibility themselves to stop trump. They thought up until recently that hillary would have it in the bag, it would be easy that trump would be defeated and they wouldnt have to go out on a limb and publicly oppose trump because it would hurt their business and hurt their reputations in conservative circles. Theyre looking at the landscape, getting a little more nervous about the state of the race, they think that trump could win. But the once i talk to are still not quite ready to go on the record for the most part. As you can tell, i guess one question is why wont i mean, this is really profiles in cowardice. Theyre giving you these quotes off the record. No accountability to that. And i pressed all of them to go on the record and i asked them why and no one had a good answer. Some said, look, it wont make a difference if i go on the record, what am i going to say . Which is just letting themselves off the hook. At the end of the day hes people are looking out for themselves and theyre putting what i think is so interesting is theyre putting the onus entirely on the democrats. I have a couple of quotes from people saying hillary, this shouldnt be that hard. This should be just an easy election, why cant you stop him . Which is kind of funny given that trump just steamrolled republicans at the primary. Basically hectoring Hillary Clinton fr not doing a better job. We also get whats up with this buzzfeed story about colin powell today . Im so confused by this story. Buzzfeed has obtained emails of colin powell basically calling trump a racist, a threat to the nation, all of these things. There were emails to someone, emily miller who used to work for him but buzzfeed has them . My colleague obtained them. But this is another example of the same thing. Although colin powell has publicly criticized trump, although not in those terms, but this is one of the big problems with how our partisan system is not well suited to handle somebody like trump because theyre on the team. People have to play for the team. I have said this for a while, that the Republican Party can absolutely survive and thrive under Hillary Clinton and it will be destroyed by a donald trump win. Yes. And thats absolutely believed by everyone i talk to. Well be joined by two professional republicans to discuss exactly that next. Xwxexe this is from buzzfeed today. Republicans privately panic at the idea of trump win. Panicked over a trump win. And you know who these people are. They are the people who havent gotten one thing correct this entire election. Everything they wanted, everything they thought would happen, everything they invested in bombed out. Joining me now ben howe, an upcoming film about trump called the sociopath. Republican strategist and still with me at the table is mckay coppins. So my belief is if Hillary Clinton wins election day the gop will snap back to fighting shape basically the next day and will go into full oppose Hillary Clinton mode, oppose, oppose, oppose, and be fine and be more or less the kind of the same party weve seen. If donald trump wins, the gop as we know it is over. Yeah. I think its the difference of being pushed out into the wilderness and being stranded on mars. Youve got two situations, one where we could have our agenda isnt getting pushed for the next four years but we got a shot at getting it pushed in the next eight, ten, 12 years. Whereas is trump wins my feeling is based on everything he said, how uncontrollable he is and hes a bit of sociopath, i think that well push ourselves so far out of the american mainstream that we wont be able to win future elections and that hurts conservatism. It really upsets people when i say it that way. People on the right. So the most conservative thing is to vote for Hillary Clinton . Yeah, it is. And thats because theres more than a fouryear cycle when it comes to advancing your agenda. You cant just look at the next four years. What do you think about this thesis . Maybe were defining the terms wrong. If donald trump wins, he will have redefined the Republican Party. So its a little unfair to say the conservatives couldnt win again. Hell have made an entire new, you know, coalition of voters if he wins. That being said, you look at the Senate Candidates for the republicans running far ahead of him. If he won, there would then almost be a Republican Party made up of these winning Senate Candidates that won in this cycle. Yeah. Then donald trump who defines a new coalition. So were sort of in a no mans land of basically having three parties at that point. This is the thing i keep thinking of. If you want to know what the future of a donald Trump Presidency looks like, take away all of his personality trait that ben i guess is making a movie about and just look at the house. Thats a microcosm of what republican governance looks like. And the fact is its been a disaster. Peace, mike drop, ill go and Smoke Cigarettes and drink red wine. Paul ryan had to be basically dragged into doing it because there isnt the necessary deep consensus of what the party stands for even in the house forgetting donald trump. Wroi a whole book about this. Pretrump there was incredibly angry and divisive debate in the Republican Party about what the National Coalition should be, what they stand for. That was never resolved and the power vacuum that was created was filled by donald trump. Going forward if donald trump wins, look, if trump loses we go through another cycle of those debates and maybe somebody does emerge with a vision that coalesces. If trump wins that debates over, right . The party is basically over. Its fractured so permanently that it could become a regional party, there could be different coalitions, but it wont be this debate is going to be complete obsolete. But lets not forget that the gop is not going to stand up to donald trump. Right. If donald trump does the wrong things, if he embraces the farthest left agenda you can imagine, theyre all going to pretend it is the new conservative reverse. Thats how they operate. Someone the other day was joking on twitter, i think it might have been after the Maternity Leave, this sort of Maternity Leave started to roll out and there was grumbling among conservatives. Is this a long con . Can we get him to convince conservatives to like everything . Like Climate Change is real, like organic food . Can donald trump just lead anyone to any belief . I like organic food. This is the thing i keep coming back to and its like i just dont have what i really try to imagine it. When i just say Donald Trumps inaugurated president , whats the first hundred days agenda . Hillary clinton ive got a pretty good sense. I think immigration would probably go near the top partly because of the way certain promises have been made in a sense that have been teed up, something on climate, youd have probably a new Supreme Court justice nominee. I do not know what the first hundred days for donald trump would look like. The first hundred days would be basically him on twitter campaigning how democrats arent doing what they need to do and trying to get mike pence to do his job for him. Agenda wise, i guess my feeling is the two things i identify the clearest or three things are trade deals, renegotiate nafta, build the wall, ban muslims. But is paul ryan going to shepherd that through a house . That wilderness argument he made in his book might actually be the first hundred days where the different factions within the Republican Party need to fight it out for that donald trump, you know, legacy, what will that presidency be about. And i dont think we know the answer to that. Because i dont think it was resolved in this cycle. So who knows . Thats also mckay saying theres no constitutional crisis in first hundred days. No impeachment trial. Or impeachment trial. Hes got people with the knives out for him on day one. Ben, you talk about no one standing up to him. But no one standing up to him, but theres lot os people that would be happy to sink the knife in from the back. Sure. They talk anonymously right now. Theyll keep doing it. Exactly. Thanks for joining us. Thats all in for this evening. The Rachel Maddow show starts thanks for joining us at this hour. Hillary clintons president ial Campaign Just in the last few minutes, theyve confirmed that secretary clinton is going to be back on the campaign trail as of thursday. Theyve now formally announced it will be thursday night in greensboro, north carolina. The Campaign Says theyre accepting rsvps for this event with secretary clinton in greensboro. So now we officially know how much time Hillary Clinton has had to take off the campaign trail because of this illness that cost her so much trouble at the 9 11 memorial on sunday. Her downtime started after that on sunday night. Its going to include monday, tuesday and wednesday. But now were told by the Campaign Officially she will be back out there as of thursday. So thats brandnew news as of tonight. Also tonight the Libertarian Party has Just Announced theyre going to have their president ial candidate on the ballot in all 50 states