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Looked president pena nieto in the eye, he didnt have the guts to bring that up. Then a major victory for Voting Rights in North Carolina, with big implications for november. And trump goes to detroit. African americans, hispanics, vote for donald trump. What do you have to lose . Why hes decided not to speak to a black congregation. All in starts now. Good evening from new york, im joy reid in for chris hayes. There have been all kinds of reaction to Donald Trumps immigration speech, and the trip to mexico that preceded it. The democratic Vice President ial nominee today mocked him. Donald trump did a little flyin to mexico, and i think you probably saw what he did. He has been talking nonstop since the beginning of this campaign, were going to build a wall, were going to make mexico pay for it. But when he sat down and he looked president pena nieto in the eye, he didnt have the guts to bring that up. Then he flew back, when he got back here, were going to make mexico do this he was like all fired up. But when he had the chance to sit down and look the other leader in the eye, it was like he choked, he caved, he lost his confidence, he lost his will. Now, tim kaine is getting at something that weve begun to notice. Theres daytime trump, and theres nighttime trump. The trump that flew to mexico to meet with his president , spoke of his admiration for mexicans and when asked about mexico paying for the wall, he claimed it didnt come up. The United States first, second, and Third Generation mexicans are just beyond reproach. Spectacular, spectacular, hardworking people. We all share a common interest in keeping our hemisphere safe, prosperous, and free. Keep manufacturing wealth in our hemisphere. Were didnt discuss who pays for the wall, we didnt discuss. But the trump that delivered his nighttime speech in arizona was full of tough talk, fearmongering and whipping his ardent supporters into a frenzy. Number one, are you ready . Are you ready . We will build a great wall along the southern border. And mexico will pay for the wall. They dont know it yet, but theyre going to pay for the wall. Number two, we are going to end catch and release. We catch them, oh, go ahead, we catch them, oh, go ahead. Two million people, criminal alie aliens. We will begin moving them out, day one, as soon as i take office, day one. My first hour in office, those people are gone and you can call it deported if you want, the press doesnt like that term. You can call it whatever the hell you want, theyre gone. We are going to triple the number of ice deportation officers. Within ice, i am going to create a new special Deportation Task force, focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal Illegal Immigrants in america, who have evaded justice, just like Hillary Clinton has evaded justice, okay . And then today, daytime trump was back in action, telling radio host laura ingraham, that he is softening his immigration policy. The line last week, you are softening on immigration, then you come out with a very specific, very proenforcement plan last night, wheres the softening . Well, it is softening. Look, we do it in a very humane way, and were going to see with the people that are in the country. Obviously i want get the gang members out, the drug peddlers out, i want to get the drug leerls out. We got a lot of people in this country that you cant have and those people well get out and then were going to make a decision at a later date once everything is stabilized. I think youre going to see theres really quite a bit of softening. But there are plenty of people who will not forget last night. Ever. Speaking about who should be allowed in this country, trump went into brandnew territory about how immigrants should be screened. Another reform involves new screening tests for all applicants that include and this is so important, especially if you get the right people, and we will get the right people an ideological certification to make sure that those we are admitting to our country share our values and love our people. The time has come for a new Immigration Commission to develop a new set of reforms to our Legal Immigration system, to select immigrants based on their likelihood of success in u. S. Society. We also have to be honest about the fact that not everyone who seeks to join our country will be able to successfully assimilate. We also have to be honest about the fact that not everyone who seeks to join our country will be able to successfully assimilate. Sometimes its not just not going to work out. And today members of his National Hispanic Advisory Council are resigning. One saying, i was a strong supporter of donald trump when i believed he was going to address the immigration realistically and compassionately. What i heard today was not realistic and not compassionate. Jo all right, steve, lets start where we finished there. Upwards of maybe half of Donald Trumps Hispanic Advisory Council are resigning after the speech they heard last night. Why do you suppose theyre leaving and do you think that trump last night harmed himself with hispanic voters . I dont think he did. I i dont know that half are leaving. I know im not leaving. As ardent a supporter as i am for donald trump, i dont support everything he does. I gave him advice on immigration, as did other people, he didnt take all of it. But im not the candidate, he is. And i think he very seriously considered our advice and then he made his decisions on immigration. I think this is important too, though. When it comes to the bedrock principles, i dont disagree with him at all. Those are twofold. Number one, we have to secure our border. Number two, there can be no citizenship for illegals. You cannot reward criminality hold on a second. With citizenship. And thats a stark difference from Hillary Clinton. Im going to stop you right there. You are hispanic, steve. Are you comfortable with that term, illegals . Why do you use that term . You know why, because words matter. Yeah, they do. If you do something that is against the law, its illegal. If you go into a store and you shoplift, youre not an undocumented holder of a good, youre a thief. If you come to the United States against the immigration laws of the United States, youre not undocumented, youre illegal. Hold on a second. First of all, do you consider a child who was brought into this country, the people who are eligible for dhaka, who were children when they came here, you would label that person the equivalent of a shoplifter or a thief . No, because they had no choice in the matter. Thats what you just said. I did not. You wouldnt call a child eligible for daka an illegal . I would not, because they didnt have a choice. A shoplifter has a choice. An illegal alien has a choice. A child did not have a choice. That Alphonso Aguilar is also resigning. He said that he felt that donald trump used conservative hispanics as props, he and others who are leaving. Mr. Monty has said the same thing, that they felt used. That they went and sat in front of donald trump, he told them one thing, and then he went out last night and did something completely different. You said that you didnt agree with all the things he said last night. Point out two or three of the things that you did not like . Joy, listen, i would have a softer tone on illegals. Can you do me a favor . Just while youre talking to me, can you not use that terminology . No, i will not do you that favor. Oh, interesting p. Because the english language matters. Theyre here illegally. We cant get over that. My father came here legally. My parents came here into this country as immigrants too, steve. My parents came here too, so congratulations on that. Im not going to use code words. Thats absurd. You just used a code word. One last question, why is it that donald trump, if he feels so strongly about mexico building his wall, why didnt he lets take tim kaines criticism, why didnt he have the guts to say that to mexican president Enrique Pena Nietos face . Glad you asked. I have a great answer. I think its because hes a decent and polite person. This is the first time, to my knowledge, that theyve met, certainly in this setting, as a quasi state visit. You dont go as the invitee and immediately get into every detail, like whos going to pay for the wall. They are getting to know each other. And by the way, steve, the president of mexico has said repeatedly now on twitter, that they did bring it up. And that he told donald trump personally that mexico would not and would never pay for any wall. So it did come up. The mexican president said he brought it up. So donald trump is either not telling the truth about the conversation they had, or he didnt have the courage to respond to the president of mexico, that he is going to try to make him pay for the wall make mexico pay. . I think the idea that donald trump is scared of confront anyone is pretty absurd. Hes not scared of anyone or anything. But what he did do is show incredible statesmanship, he acted extremely president ial and showed decorum. You dont go down there to mexico city and lecture them in your first meeting. You just do it when youre in front of your crowd. Thats an interesting way to conduct yourself. Thank you very much. Joining me now, joan walsh, National Affairs correspondent for the nation and Hillary Clinton supporter. And maria ino hossa, executive director. Maria, i feel like i have to come to you first. Steve insists hes going to continue to use the term illegals. Hes in love with that term and thinks its quite appropriate. Your thoughts. So because i run my own newsroom, its a term we do not use in my newsroom. And i love to tell this story, because people probably think, maria heena hossa, mexican american, you probably learned that from a radical feminist professor. No, the reason why we dont use the term illegal, its grammatically incorrect. But i learned this from a holocaust survivor. Theres no such thing as an illegal human being. They may have committed a crime which is just a misdemeanor, but it doesnt mean that youre an illegal person. That would mean every time you got a ticket, you would be referred to as joy reid, the illegal driver. So its a term with tremendous impact and weight. And in terms of what happened with Donald Trumps speech last night, i can sense that there were people who were literally feeling fear as he was speaking. And the fact that you guys put that clip together, where he said day one, hour one, you will not be here. We will make sure that you are taken out. That may be playing to his base in phoenix, but the Ripple Effect of all of that, on people who are your neighbors, my neighbors, your kids playmates, for real. Yeah. And you are seeing increased incidents of kids using Donald Trumps name as a way to attack people. But on this question that steve cortez sort of echoed donald trump and making it sound like we have this tremendous crisis at the border. But if you look at the actual data, youve seen net migration from mexico into the use has leveled off. I think its zero at this point. How is it that theyre able to create this vision of people streaming over the border and this endless hoard when the data doesnt representative that . Because the people theyre speaking to dont care about the data. And im grateful for Cory Lewandowski who said, this speech was not aimed at maria, not us, not even the suburban white women that Kellyanne Conway thinks shes going to bring back into the fold. No. It was aimed at doubling down with his white male, angry voters. And that speech to me last night, was a little bit terrifying. That was a man who seemed out of control. That was a man who was angry, redfaced, shouting, just beyond what you expect to see in the normal course of a political speech. He said that president eisenhower didnt go far enough with operation wetback, that was what it was called, which actually killed hundreds if not thousands of mexican people who were sent on box cars back into their country. He took it to a level of both rhetoric and also just physical anger that i think was really maybe the highest point weve reached in the campaign. And to that point, joan, i want to play just a sense of the mood in the room. Because as i was listening to it as well, you could almost feel the kind of rage energy that was generated by every word that he was shouting essentially into the teleprompter, as he was reading the teleprompter. But this is just a sense of the mood of the room. One of the people in the crowd why would while he was speaking. Take a listen. Hillary clinton has pledged to keep both of these illegal amnesty programs, including the 2014 amnesty, which has been blocked by the United States Supreme Court. Great. And if you couldnt understand what that person said, they screamed string her up. What do you make of that kind of thing taking place at what was billed as a policy speech . I think actually im going to use a term that we also dont use in my newsroom, which is minority. Because this is a minority of americans, and not just a minority of donald trump supporters, its a minority of americans. The most recent gallup poll or june or july, has the majority of america saying they dont want massive deportation raids, that they dont believe this is the way to solve the problems. Why are we talking about those numbers . Because we can talk about the pain, the injustice, the Constitutional Rights violations, lets talk about the numbers. Right now, what it is costing in terms of immigration detention and enforcement, more money is spent on that than all federal Law Enforcement agencies combined. So if were talking about massive roundups, just in terms of our tax dollars, is that really where we want to be and who is going to pay for it . Not mexico. The american taxpayer. Thank you both very much. Coming up, the Vice President addresses trump. Thank you all very much. And well have more of the biden treatment. But first, after last nights speech, half of trumps hispanic Advisory Board is reportedly ready to resign. Ill speak with the founder of latinos for trump, who is standing by the candidate, after this break. Its a supercomputer. With this grade of protection. Its a fortress. And with this standard of luxury. Its an oasis. Introding the completely redesigned eclass. Its everything you need it to be. And more. Mercedesben the best or nothing. Maery is a journey of continus improvement. Come triumph, or trial, tennis legend Serena Williams moves forward, and with the chase mobile® app were on the same path, offering innovative, and convenient ways to bank. Easyto use chase technology, for whatever you are trying to master. Donald trump used his speech last night to warn immigrant populations that they are living here on borrowed time. We will break the cycle of amnesty and ilLegal Immigration. We will break the cycle. There will be no amnesty. Our message to the world will be this. You cannot obtain legal status, or become a citizen of the United States by illegally entering our country. Cant do it. After that speech, according to politico, several major latino surrogates for donald trump are reconsidering their support for him. Cbs reporter Lesley Sanchez tweeted out that a hispanic leader to advises the trump camp and telling her half of trumps Advisory Board is ready to resign today. Heres why that should seriously worry donald trump. After the 2012 election, when mitt romney lost the hispanic vote by 7127 percent margin, the Republican Party put together their autopsy report, called the growth and opportunity project, which included a look at how the party could avoid a similar fate in 2016. It states, quote, if hispanic americans perceive that a gop nominee or candidate does not want them in the United States, i. E. , selfdeportation, they will not Pay Attention to our next sentence. And as of right now, trump has even less support from hispanic voters than mitt romney did in the 2012 election. Joining me now, a new york state senator and a 2016 democratic nominee for congress, and marco gutierrez, the founder of the group latinos for trump. Thank you both for being here. Start with you, marco, because you are one of the hispanic advisers who has not left the organization. We are hearing that as many as 15, as many as half the members of that group are walking away. You recall that autopsy, im sure, of 2012, when republicans spent a lot of money to do the research to decide that they could not afford to do as poorly with hispanic voters as mitt romney did. Do you feel that donald trump, regardless of whether or not you still are on his team, is hurting the Republican Partys ability to win the election and longterm, to grow its numbers among hispanics . No, i dont think so. I think my friends, we stand with donald trump. Theres a lot of hispanics that are in the closet because of the violent criticism of the left, but they support donald trump. But you think so put your friends aside, the polling shows that donald trump is doing even worse with hispanics, this is before last nights speech, he was only about 22 . Romney lost by five million votes at 27 . So putting your friends aside, it seems overall hispanics are rejecting donald trump in huge numbers. Can you refute that . Yes. Because the polls are done in two blocks. You have the born citizens here, and then you have me. I was born and raised in mexico. My section is more against donald trump because of the relationship they have with the unlawful immigrant, illegal, or undocumented, however you want to call it. But you have the natural borns that are more in the 40something percent. You have to present some sort of a name of a poll. Because theres no numbers or research to support what you just said. You gave us a number out of whole cloth. But i want to go to adriano for that. There is no data that shows 40 of latinos are for trump. It doesnt exist. How do you respond to what you just heard . When i came as a 9yearold, i came here without documents. And had donald trump been the president then, he would have deported me, according to his policies that he laid out yesterday. I wouldnt be here to tell you my story. And i think thats not what americas about. Are we a country of dreams and aspirations, or are we a country of deportation . So his very aggressive speech, his very intolerant speech, i think, scare many of his supporters. Somebody like jacob monty, who is one of his advisers, i saw him on spanish tv tonight talking about how he felt. I would have ran right outside of that room had i been there. It sent a Chilling Effect to many of us, whether youre documented or not. It was an intolerant speech, and of course more of donald trump. And marco, you know, ive heard this trump moment described as a Barry Goldwater moment, which is the Tipping Point when African Americans became so identified with the Democratic Party that essentially it became almost impossible for republicans to win more than 10 of them. Ive heard it described as a prop 187 moment when the California Law that went after undocumented migrants there, really harmed the Republican Party. Its never recovered. Are you not at all concerned that donald trump is so alienating people with his tone last night, that yelling into the prompter speech, and just the tone toward undocumented migrants, toward immigrants in this country, that you are now facing a Barry Goldwater moment for your party . Yes, but you know, donald trump is a genius of delivering a message, and yes, it was a tough message to deliver, but he did it in a way thats showing us that we have a problem. And the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And different times, different problems. Yes, indeed, theres a lot of people, my colleague here would not be here. But we need to understand that this is a different time, and we having problems here. What problems . What problems are you talking about . My culture is a very dominant culture. And its imposing and its causing problems. If you dont do something about it, youre going to have taco trucks every corner. Wait a minute, wait a minute, im sorry. Hold on a second. I have to let adriano in here. I dont even know what that means and im almost afraid to ask. Im offended. Ill tell you what that means. The spanish never conquered mexico. We are a culture that we have a lot of good things that we bring to the United States, but we also have problems. You guys are going nuts over something that theres a tenth step to this problem and you are already talking about the tenth step. We havent even started walking this path. Lets let adriano respond because we dont have unlimited time. I dont know what culture mr. Gutierrez is talking about, but the hispanic culture has a saying, mi casa, tu casa, my house, your house. Its a tolerant culture, it shares the culture, their music, their folk lore, it was not aggressive and bullying, as displayed by donald trump and his ten points, including this Deportation Task force. Are they like marked vans that are going to go in and raid churches and Community Centers and going to do Midnight Raids . Is this what america is really about . Thats what we have to ask ourselves. I dont think this is what america is about. America is about giving opportunities. America is about being flexible with different groups that want to pray to different gods, that want to speak, maybe, different languages, that want to move forward and be part of the Great American experiment. I think donald trump spoke dramatically against all those values last night. I think he will dip in the polls. I think it was just a terrible, terrible message that goes across race, ethnicity, religion, gender. Yeah. A terrible moment. I think you havent been in mexico for a long time. Thats the problem that you have with ola rasa. You defend a mexico that doesnt exist anymore. Theres a new mexico thats rising with crime, and we need to stop that. And it starts right here. You know, we are out of time, but i think it sounded like you were giving a fullscale indictment of mexico as a country and as a culture. I dont know that that is the way to increase hispanics in the Republican Party. That seems incredibly counterproductive to do it that wi. But thank you both. Coming up, the Supreme Court blocks what has been called one of the worst Voter Suppression efforts in america, and it could have a big impact in november. Thats ahead. So i drink boost® to get the nutrition that im missing. 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It blocked the state of North Carolina from reinstating its strict voting law, one of the worst Voter Suppression efforts in the nation. The law passed by a republicancontrolled legislature, required voters to present photo identification at the polls. It eliminated sameday registration and preregistration for young voters, all of which affected the poor, the elderly and African American voters who happen to vote overwhelmingly democratic. North Carolina Republicans were able to pass the measure shortly after the Supreme Court struck down a key section of the Voting Rights act, which required areas with a history of Racial Discrimination to get federal approval before changing election laws. In july, the court weighed in and unanimously struck it down, saying its provisions deliberately target African Americans with almost surgical precision. After that ruling, they asked the Supreme Court to intervene in order to prevent what it characterized as voter confusion. Yesterday the Supreme Court issued a onepage order, declining to intervene in the matter, but noted the courts four conservatives, along with chief Justice John Roberts would have granted most of North Carolinas request. This evenly divided court highlights once again the impact of the death of Justice Anthony scalia who would have very likely joined the other conservatives and would have allowed North Carolina to reinstate its law. The latest polling showing Hillary Clinton and donald trump tied, how will this decision impact the election . Joining me now to discuss that, reverend william barber, president of the North Carolina naacp and pastor of green leaf christian church, disciples of christ. Youve been fighting this for so long in North Carolina. Does this ruling say to you that it is good news, that the Supreme Court upheld, you know, the position of voters essentially in North Carolina, or does it scare you, because you really had this hanging on a 44 thread. Well, its a mixed bag. Let me thank our lawyers. We fought three years. This actually shows the damage when you do not have preclearance. None of this would have been possible if wed had preclearance. And still the Voting Rights act has not been completely restored. Youre right, there was four conservative justices that would have upheld racism, that would have upheld that would have overturned a unanimous decision by two whites and one African American in the lower courts. And when you have that Lower Court Decision saying, it was surgical precision with which they did research to find out how African Americans vote and they said, well target those things for removal. How do you square, not only Justice Clarence thomas ruling that despite reading that lower court ruling, but also chief just roberts, saying we dont need these sections because this kind of discrimination doesnt take place anymore. Clearly it does. You say it doesnt happen. Then when it happens, you say we wouldnt uphold it. But theres a pattern and history in the ways he was prepared for the Supreme Court. It says to us why this election is so important, why the Supreme Court is important, and who sits on it is very important. To think in the 21st century, we could have ended up with laws that were intentionally racist. Its one thing to be disparaged, but intentionally racist, targeted racism, we have also to be thankful that we won, that all of the laws go back, we have sameday registration, early voting back, out of precinct voting back. I believe people are going to engage in a massive turnout in this election. This is heavy stuff. And it says something about the whole nation. North carolinas ruling and our victory is a victory for the nation, because it says, even if you dont have section five, theres still section two, the principle of section five, the 14th amendment still means what it says, the 15th amendment still means what it says about nobody can deny or abridge the right to vote. So this is at a time when governor mcrkrory is not doing well. Richard burr is only four points ahead of debra ross. And when Hillary Clinton and donald trump are tied in the state. Was this a direct attempt to swing the immediate election, or do you think that governor mccrory is standing for the larger principle that he doesnt want the liberalized voting laws . I think its about this election and beyond. President obama won in 2008 because of early voting. We went from the lowest state in voting to the fourth highest per capita increase, that means that you no longer have a solid south in North Carolina and its beginning to break wide open. 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The oldest Jesuit University in america saying its taking steps to atone for a long unacknowledged aspect of its history, its early reliance on slave labor to build and fund the university, including the sale of 272 slaves in 1838, to help keep georgetown out of bankruptcy. The university announcing it will award preferential status in the admissions process to descendants of the enslaved, similar to the status afforded to the children of alumni. As well as creating an institute for the study of slavery. Erecting a public memorial to the slaves whose labor benefitted the institution and renaming two campus buildings, named for two former georgetown presiden president s involved in the 1838 sale of slaves. The University Also plans to apologize for its participation in slavery and today its president acknowledged the descendants of the slaves who helped to build it and keep it afloat. I afloat. I wish to acknowledge and recognize the descendents of the men. Some descendents and their families joined us here in person, some joined online. It is with deep gratitude and humility i recognize your presence. Last fall, they helped rally to push for the university to grapple with the history. They feel the announcement is not enough. They are not offering scholarships to the descendents of slaves. It is a step beyond what is being done by other prominent schools grappling with their own ties to slavery. In other words, its a start. You live life your way. We can help you retire your way, too. Financial guidance whileyo. Om chase. So you can. Financial guidance whileyo. Still not sure whether to stay or go on that business trip . Should i stay or should i go . This fall at choice hotels, the more you go the better now earn a free nigh when you stay with us just two times. Book direct at choicehotelsom. I wodont know where id be without itre so when i heard about conartists committing medicare fraud. 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The New York Times obtained an eightpage document that the bishop plans to ask and lengthy scripted answers for trump to use devised by aides of trump. Asked to comment, hope hick says im not aware of the document, but he is an unscripted candidate, he is genuine and authentic, but not unprepared. Joining me the april and cornell. Okay. So, april and cornell, this is weird. April, what do you make of the fact donald trump, we talked about it earlier about what he did in mexico versus arizona. He talks at rallies and white communities. Now before a black congregation, he need as script. Donald trump does not know africanamerican history and some question he doesnt know the history of this country to a certain extent. Therefore, i understand the script. What is the point of having the interview . We know the questions and the answers and hes going to sit in a church. What is the point . Joy, as you know, many of us, many of us in the africanamerican community, many africanamerican journalist who is work for black media have been making formal request of donald trump to talk to us, unscripted and talk to us, real, oneonone and to this this this, i dont know, this scripted event this weekend, i look at it as editing at its best. You wont see the faux pas as before. Im sad. Its a boom for the bishop to get that interview, but he needs to answer real questions in front of real journalists. There are so many negatives in almost every category when it comes to africanamericans. I dont know that its a good thing for the bishop. Hes being slammed for doing it this way. Donald trumps favoribility with africanamericans is at zero. Here are some of the questions he has been scripted to answer. Well go to the one whether or not he is racist. Is your campaign racist. Avoid repeating the word racist and speak of improving education and getting off welfare. The proof will be in the pudding. Trump is going to say coming into the community is you as a man of data, will that appeal that we will get all you black people off welfare . Is that a way to appeal to africanamericans . Hes consulting black republicans. You know what you shouldnt do to win more black voters . Consult black republicans. You get stuff like if you ask if you are racist, talk about getting off welfare. What . It is cornell, now you know we live in these hell holes and we have to crawl out of them to get through the muck and get to work every day. I have to play these. I dont have much time. This is an earlier exchange. This is a guest who was the head of latinos for trump. This is what he said to me about the latino outreach. Take a listen. This is a different time. We are having problems here. What problems . What problems are you talking about . My culture is a very dominant culture. It is causing problems. If you dont do something about it, you are going to have taco trucks at every corner. Wait a minute. I have to let adriano in here. I dont know what that means and im afraid to ask. Ill tell you. The spanish never conquered mexico. We are a culture that we have a lot of good things we bring to the United States, but we have problems. I can give you each 15 seconds. April, go. Your response. Donald trump took a picture with a taco bowl. What in the world . What cuz that mean . I dont understand it. Remember uncle ruck kus from the boondocks . Thats him. Thank you for interpret thag for me. Wow. Thank you very much thachlt is all this evening. Ill be hosting more tonight at 11 00 p. M. Eastern. Stick around for that. The Rachel Maddow show starts now. Rachel, can you help me on this . Steve kornacki, help me out, steve. Do you understand it . I have no idea but im glad we cleared up rachel is not here. When she comes back, i bet she will have it all. Time to think about it. Have a great show. Thank you for that. As you have figured out, Rachel Maddow has the night off. She will be back tomorrow. Guess what . She will be part of the show tonight. We are going hear from her and her thoughts on Donald Trumps immigration speech. You are not going to want to miss that. First, a lot happened in 24 hours since trump gave that speech. Two things he needed to accomplish with the last minute trip to mexico in the afternoon and then the big speech in phoenix at night. Trump said he was going to clarify the position on immigration. Remember, he said two weeks ago, he might be softening the view. He was going to tell everyone what he meant and last night, in the speech, he presented a list of ten principles on immigration. It is fair to say they were ten hard lying principles on the subject. This was the most hard lined speech on