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Been raised. All in starts now. Good evening from new york. Im joy reid in for chris hayes. You are looking at live at the donald trump rally just outside of houston where the presumptive gop nominee is expected to take the stage shortly. As that room illustrates trump still has his passionate base of support. But hes an increasingly embattled candidate. One now facing a coordinated lastditch effort to deny him the nomination at the convention. All speak to the republican delegate leading that effort shortly. On the heels of his widely panned response to the orlando massacre, which included his repeated insinuation that president obama may sympathize with terrorists, trump is setting modern records for political toxicity. As politico puts it, his unpopularity without historical peer in the modern era of president ial campaigns. While Hillary Clinton is relatively unpopular for a president ial nominee, shes still polling better than trump, who polls suggest is intensely disliked by a majority of americans. Trump today tried to counter a slew of new polls showing clinton with a clear lead in the general election with this tweet. Spotlighting a poll that hes listed as having taken on june 16th, yesterday, with the words, thank you, americafirst. A couple of problems. First off the poll was actually conducted on may 10th, more than a month ago. Second, the poll actually shows clinton with a slight lead over trump, albeit within the margin of error. Meanwhile, the man ostensibly leading outreach to congress on trumps behalf in one of his earliest endorsers, representative duncan hunter, now the latest republican to distance himself from trump. Telling the hill, i am not a surrogate, i cant speak for anyone else but me. Everyones asking me to explain all of these things that he said. Some of these things i dont know what donald trump is thinking. House speaker paul ryan, whos often criticized trump and only grudgingly endorsed him, told meet the press hes not going to try to force any of his fellow republicans to back the presumptive nominee. You think it is that members and the House Republican conference, follow your conscience . Absolutely. The last thing i would do is tell anybody to do something thats contrary to their conscience. Of course i wouldnt do that. Look, believe me, chuck. I get this, this is a very strange situation. This is a very unique nominee. But i feel as a responsibility, institutionally as speaker of the house, i should not be leading some chasm in the middle of our party. You know what that would do . That would definitely knock us out of the white house. Its divided and im not going to tell somebody to go against their conscience. Conscience is an operative word there. A group of republican delegates is organizing a new effort to stop trump at the Gop Convention next month. And conscience is their organizing principle. The effort centers around changing the Convention Rules to include a conscience clause that would allow delegates bound to trump to vote against him even on the first ballot at the convention. The group gathered 30 interested activist delegates and alternate delegates on a Conference Call last night to talk through their efforts with a followup call for delegates nationwide planned for this sunday. This literally is an anybody but trump movement, organizer Kendall Unruh told washington post. Trump himself dismisses the threat billing the post any such move would not only be totally illegal but also a rebuke of the millions of people who feel so strongly about what i am saying. Joining me is Kendall Unruh. A High School Government teacher, republican delegate from colorado, member of the rules committee, importantly, who support ted cruz in the primary and is coordinated that stop trump effort. Kendall, lets talk through your plan. In order for it to work we spoke with one of our favorite experts here at nbc to sort of explain how it works. You need a majority of the 112member rules committee to go along with your conscience clause that would allow someone to say, i cant in good conscience or religious reasons vote for donald trump. Do you have the votes . Not only religious but also personal. And i am working daily on getting the votes and i have a very good group of rules committee members. In fact, two called me right before this and they have signed on. But more importantly, even if it doesnt get the majority vote to pass out of rules committee, i can also file a minority report with a lower threshold of 25 . Let me be very Crystal Clear and address what donald trump is saying its illegal . Its actually illegal to bind a delegate. There have been two Supreme Court cases and there have been 200 historical precedents that have made that case. Out of 136year history in the Republican Party, there have actually only been one convention in 1976, ford reagan, where the delegates were truly bound. For him to say its illegal, technically its unconstitutional to bind. And the fact that the Supreme Court cases actually have ruled the fact that the state cannot interfere in the private organization and the fact of how they conduct their business. Imagine bringing this down to a local level if the state was to be able to dictate how a homeowners board voted, how a board to a Soccer League voted. They just simply cant interfere. So hes 100 wrong on that. But the rule that im going to be sponsoring is not giving the binding to the delegates. I am sponsoring this for a very specific purpose. The delegates already have the constitutional right to be unbound. I am drafting the rules sponsoring the conscience clause where they can opt out of their own free will and free choice for religious or personal reason because there are rule followers in the Republican Party. This is going after the activists that, when they are being pressured by the delegation chair or the state chairman or an elected official, fill in the blank, its giving them the tool, the empowerment, i call it the permission slip for mom at home that they can then literally tangibly hold and it say, honestly i cant unbind because heres an rnc rule saying that i cant. Right. Like giving them in essence the kryptonite that they need. Spoken like a true public schoolteacher. They need a permission slip. I want to go back ask walk you back one second. My understanding is when you become a delegate to either of the conventions you actually sign an agreement to be bound by whoever wins that vote in your state. Are you saying that there is no such agreement that delegates actually sign when they become delegates to the convention . Well, we all sign pledges. I signed a pledge to vote for ted cruz. And all of our delegation actually voted for ted cruz. And in spite of the false narrative that donald trump wove that we werent dutifully elected, we actually were dutifully elected. I had to convince thousands of voters to vote for me. I had to go through not one, not two, five elections to get where im at. The point is im actually accountable to my constituents and those who sent me. If i choose to not honor that pledge, which i will be for ted cruz, but if i choose to not honor for any reason and i vote a vote of conscience, im accountable to them and them only. Im not accountable to the party, not accountable to hi delegation chair. Theyre the ones that entrusted me with their vote. That is a discussion that actually a delegate needs to take into consideration if they choose to unbind. And that is how are the people at home that sent me here going to respond . But i can tell you, i hear daily from my constituents who voted to send me here to keep going down the path that i am going down. So i actually have an honor and an obligation to carry the water for them with the vote that they entrusted in me. Except that for you, in your case, you were for ted cruz, and i imagine the constituents you talk to are for ted cruz. If delegates are from a state that voted for donald trump how would they justify saying their religious or personal convictions are leading them to go against the voters of their state . How would somebody be able to justify that . Thats a great question. Here comes the schoolteacher part. Im sorry that for 40 years that we have had curricula that have taught that we ar democracy. Were actually not a democracy. Theres never one man, one vote. Thats a good thing, that mob rule, 50 plus one, cant dictate an outcome. Because our Founding Fathers were very clear that there are to be checks and balances in this Constitutional Republic that they started. And the system thats been implemented is a direct reflection of that, that you are entrusting a delegate. Were not a number, were not a robot. We are someone who literally has that entrustment with us to cast a vote how we see fit, reflective of the will of the people. But lets just Say Something did come out that a candidate had done some criminal activity or something that was just morally reprehensible. Right. The fact that a delegate is carrying a vote, they are entrusted with a person trusting them to use their wisdom and to apply it in a circumstance to where its truly unpalatable to cast that vote. That is part of what this Constitutional Republic is all about. Really quickly, were out of time, but a quick compound question very briefly. Number one, weve heard that Reince Priebus is reaching out to some delegates to sort of poll them, see how many are a part of this. Have you heard from Reince Priebus and has there been any backlash to what youre trying to do or do you worry about back lash . Sure, theres always going to be backlash, any time you go against the party and you stand up for whats right in principle. And this is truly trying to save the party. We love our party, weve worked extraordinarily hard our entire adult lives to create a philosophical, very good conservative party, we simply dont want donald trump as the face of that party. Have you heard from Reince Priebus . I have not but ive heard from other elected officials. That just makes me work harder and makes the rest of us work harder. We know were right in what we do. Thank you for your time. Joining me are two members of the never trump movement, former Campaign Manager for carly fiorina, and rick wilson. Wick, you first. You are the never trumpiest never trumpist that i know of out there, particularly on social media and in real life. What do you think of what Kendall Unruh just said . She feels delegates would put aside even a majority vote for donald trump in their delegate district. Isnt that counterdemocratic, small d . As kendall rightly pointed out, i admire the work shes trying to do here to save the party from the inside. Were seeing an increasingly erratic and dangerous version of donald trump who is going to lead this party over a cliff and is going to lead us into not into the Promised Land as cheat cheeto jesus but into a political nightmare. Folks are trying to save the party and the movement from this guy and the fact of the matter is youre not obligated to carry out an illegal order. Youre not obligated to commit suicide as a party or as a Political Movement by backing a guy who is so obviously unsuitable as president , who is obviously mentally unstable, and obviously not running a Serious Campaign against Hillary Clinton. If you want to beat Hillary Clinton, you cant do it with a guy who doesnt call donors. You cant do it with a guy who spouts off whatevers in his mind at any given second. This is a guy who is not running as a qualified republican candidate. He got 30some percent of the vote. But these delegates have to look at the broader picture, at the survival of the Republican Party, and the fact that donald trump is continuing to do everything that donald trump does off the top of his head, the spur of the moment, whatever is in his head comes out of his mouth, thats going to damage the party more than a floor fight over whether these the qualified candidate or not. If those folks vote their conscience and abstain, god bless them, theyve been the work of preserving the republic. Sarah said there would be the potential for actual unrest, if supporters of donald trump feel robbed and in this case they would be being actually robbed of the nomination that he earned through delegates . I think thats right. I think that it would cause chaos. Im on team kendall, god bless the work shes doing. And i think that rick has it exactly right on why its important. I do think that at this point, even though the whole delegate process is meant to be one of a republic, not a democracy, that it is late to try to upend his nomination at this point. I think weve seen groups talk about how feasible it is to have a thirdparty candidate still in terms of the ballot access. No one has stepped up to do that yet. I am all in favor of these lastditch efforts to stop donald trump from getting the nomination. I do think it will be devastating for the party when he does. But i think its going to be an uphill battle, unfortunately. Not only that, apart from the idea of actual potential unrest, maybe even violence at the convention, if you are literally telling delegates who showed up on the floor to vote for donald trump, now you dont have to do it, then the people who voted, millions who voted for donald trump, see that happen. What will be the fallout for the Republican Party then . Look, were already having a schism in the Republican Party, joy. Theres already now a what is essentially a White Nationalist trump party and a Republican Party which is a conservative limited government constitutional party. They are fracturing right now. He is the chemistry thats fracturing that formula. Hes causing this rift. But the fact of the matter is, were going to have this fight regardless. Whether its on the Convention Floor or whether its after donald trump destroys our hopes of holding taking the white house and destroys our hopes of holding the senate. Were going to be in a situation where we have to face up to the fact that donald trump has activated a part of the Republican Base that is very enthusiastic about him, submerged in a talk radio cloud where they believe hes going to build a wall, hes going to shut off all the trade from international trade, hes going to bomb the oil, hes going to torture people and kill terrorist families, they believe all that. Thats your base. They believe all that in part because the conservative establishment, media and otherwise, has been telling them that for 30 years. Donald trump didnt inveent these ideas. Arent you essentially dissing a large part of the Republican Base that wasnt created by donald trump, hes just taking advantage of it . Donald trump is a unique selling proposition in this equation. No one else could come along with the 20 years of reality tv stardom, the private jet, the trumpian swagger they found so appealing, they wanted to rub up against the alpha male donald trump, all this stuff. None of that was available or about any other candidate. And frankly, he activated a very narrow part of the base, a very small part of the electorate, 33 . The remainder of the Republican Party was looking for another option. They were looking for a constitutional conservative. Whether it was ted cruz or marco rubio or rand paul or jeb bush or whoever else in the field, they were looking for another option. Really quickly, sarah, we have to wrap. If john mccain had won the presidency in 2008, donald trump would have won the nomination for the Democratic Party this year. I doubt that. Hes not a republican, hes an entertainer. Hes sui generis i doubt that hed be the nominee of the Republican Party. Thats an interesting hypothetical, but hes your guy, hes the republican nominee, sarah flores and rick wilson, thank you both, appreciate it. Still ahead, we will keep an eye on that live trump rally happening now in texas. If he responds to the reporting that you just heard, we will make sure to bring that to you live. Plus chris hayes sat down with the director of the new series o. J. made in america telling the story in an entirely new way. First, Bernie Sanders stays in as democrats turn their focus on the general election. At this point, does sanders have any leverage at all . Well talk about that in about two minutes. Jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive senator Bernie Sanders will return to washington to cast votes on gun measures on monday. His first vote since the primary season ended. His first vote since the nonsuspension of his Campaign Speech that he gave last night. More on that in a moment. Today senator Elizabeth Warren visited the headquarters of the Presumptive Democratic president ial nominee, Hillary Clinton, in brooklyn. This is fabulous warren reportedly there to deliver a pep talk to the staff. According to a source speaking to nbc news, senator warren said, dont screw this up, which prompted this enthusiast to tweet, so excited that warren is with us, we will not f it up. The contrast between senator warren and senator Bernie Sanders last night could not be more stark. Warren bursting into Clinton Campaign headquarters in brooklyn, sanders delivering a retro video manifesto. By not yet fully conceding sanders appears to want to hold on to leverage he might have already lost. According to the sanders campaign, last nights live stream was watched by a maximum of 104,000 people at one time. 218,000 total viewers tuned in at some point during the stream. Not a bad number at all. But not necessarily a revolution. Sanders did not sa spent his campaign or endorse clinton. But he did say the next Political Task is to defeat trump and he would personally begin his role in that shortly. Joining me ferdinand ammandi, lets talk about leverage. When do you think Bernie Sanders had the maximum leverage during this campaign . I think it was right after he won the michigan primary. And a lot of folks said that wasnt going to happen, he shocked the political world and upset a lot of pollsters, including myself, who didnt really see that win coming. And i think that was his maximum moment. But joy, all of that leverage dissipated the day after he got blown out in california and Elizabeth Warren came out and basically said on this network, msnbc, look, im with her. Youve started to see a drumbeat of other folks that were with him now saying, im also with her. So i think Bernie Sanders, with every passing day and hour, is further marginalizing and running the risk of alienating many of the sandersistas who got behind his effort. Right now the clear and present danger to their hopes is not Hillary Clinton, its donald trump. The question is, from a Strategic Point of view, we had that split screen where you had today Elizabeth Warren bounding into the clinton office, a similar brand to Bernie Sanders. Then last night the sort of weird ending. So hes in this individual grow where hes telling his supporters, were going to go on. But theres a whole other thing happening in the Democratic Party. Theyre on to guns, theyve moved on to donald trump, theyve moved on to Elizabeth Warren, theyre thinking about veeps. Does Bernie Sanders have any way of getting back into the conversation . Its very difficult to do so. I think to the extent he can its going to be in leveraging and negotiating the little Political Capital he has left to try and influence the Democratic Party platform and to the extent he wants did use the capital that his revolution has put together, work and target maybe races around the country, look at congressional districts or senate seats that democrats may not traditionally compete in, get the sanders machine behind that. That is where i think you can be effective. But in terms of the national conversation, joy, i think not only has the page turned, the party has turned, the country has turned. I think the d. C. Primary made that Crystal Clear. He got blown out in that contest that no one expected him to stay in for as well. Bernie sanders is coming back to vote on the gun measure. He did tweet about the 15hour filibuster that democrats mounted. Do you think that sanders missed an opportunity there . He was in vermont. He does need to close out his campaign. Do you think he missed an opportunity not being part of that filibuster . No question. That filibuster is going to go down in history and on an issue that was in his face, an opportunity to really bridge the sanders wing of the party with the establishment wing. You saw senator murphy do so heroically. I thought it was a total missed opportunity. Maybe it shows you bernies political instincts, while smart early on, they seem to be fading and waning with the passing days. We will continue to watch what he does. He says hes taking to it the convention so it will be very interesting to see how he closes it out. Ferdinand ammandi, thank you very much. Something were comfortable is saying is the most bizarre thing youre going to see all day, stay tuned for that. You owned your car for four years, you named it brad. You loved brad. And then you totaled him. You two had been through everything together. Two boyfriends, three jobs. Youre like nothing can replace brad. 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According to a relative of salmans, as well as a federal Law Enforcement official, am teen and his wife exchanged Text Messages at some point during the attack in the early hours of sunday morning. Where are you, salman asked her husband. His reply, do you see whats happening . No, she said, apparently having no idea what he meant. His final message, i love you, babe. Salman told authorities she had recently gone with her husband to purchase ammunition. Now it turns out, according to federal officials, mateen used a different caliber of ammunition in the attack. In an interview with nbc news, a relative insisted salman is completely innocent. Calling mateen a monster and claiming salman had been beaten and battered by him. That echoes allegations by mateens first wife he physically abused her on multiple occasions. We also learned today the pulse nightclub was equipped with a Video Surveillance system which the fbi is now reviewing and will not be releasing to the public. Today more funerals were held in orlando for the individuals who were murdered in last weeks attack. Many of the victims were immigrants to the u. S. And are being taken back to their home countries to be laid to rest. For Family Members who are undocumented, however, theyre risking everything just to be there. An interview with one of those families next. Using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework. Wire. And plants needed to give my shop. A face. No one will forget. See what the power of poin can do for your business. Learn more at chase. Com ink see what the power of poin can do for your business. Fact. Theres an advil specially made for fast relief that goes to work in minutes. The only advil with a rapid release formula for rapid relief of tough pain. Look for advil filmcoated in the white box relief doesnt get any faster than this. Advil. He was an undocumented immigrant. He didnt come here to judge anyone. He didnt come here to fight with anybody. He just wanted a normal American Dream life. Brenda Marie Gonzalez lost her uncle, 25yearold juan chavez martinez, in the massacre at the pulse nightclub in orlando. Chavez martinez was an undocumented immigrant from mexico who worked for a hospitality company. Coworkers describing him as an excellent boss and person universally loved. Now his family wants to take him back to mexico to be laid to rest. But theres one big problem. Juans brother, brendas dad, is also an undocumented immigrant living in florida. If he leaves this country to attend the funeral, he wont be able to come back. Telemundo spoke with brenda Marie Gonzalez at a vigil for her uncle ask she described the excruciaing choice her father now faces on top of his grief. For him to go through this, knowing what his brother went through the least we can do is just let him go see his family that he hasnt seen in years and let him be part of his funeral. We dont want him its going to break up the family if he does go. Hes not going to be able to come back. Its going to break it up and we dont want that. Thats why thats why we want him to get a passport to come, to go and come back to us. Obviously everyones here, go to school here, he works here also to provide for the kids. And my mom. And theyve been through so much already that they shouldnt worry about anything other than taking him and burying him and coming back home. Our hearts break. Our hearts are just breaking. And they continue to break. And i think forever theyre going to break. My heart i feel like its a dream, i cant believe this. We dont want him to leave our family at all. We dont want him to leave our family. We dont want him to go. And not come back. Im joined by ida escamane, equality into, whos been working with the families affected by the attack last weekend. Ida, you heard the pain there in that Family Member. On top of the loss of a Family Member, then worrying if her dad goes home to the funeral, he wont be able to come back. How many stories like this are we dealing with on top of the massacre in orlando . Yeah, id first like to begin our hearts and prayers are with this family and all the families that have suffered such a great loss here in orlando. You know, orlandos an international community. So with that comes very unique challenges when it comes to victim assistance in these types of mass shootings. We have seen quite a few instances of very unique challenges with the Latino Community. And within this community, its important to recognize that this is a very marginalized group of people. They face many socioeconomic challenges, they face fear, intimidation from government authorities. On top of the heartbreak that this massacre has caused this community, we also have these unique challenges when it comes to victim assistance. There is a kind of federal parole, my understanding, that could be available to families like this. Can you talk about that and do you know if this particular family is going to be able to avail themselves of it . What i can tell you, the program that youre referring to is called uvisas, visas available to victims of crime who cooperate with authorities. Currently on the ground here in orlando were working to ensure that these families have access to these visas and generally speaking, as victims, even if theyre undocument the, they have rights to a full list of state and federal funding as well as Foundation Funding to help support them during this time. And the families that were that lost loved ones in the orlando nightclub massacre, they included families from cuba, the dominican republic, puerto rico. Talk about some of the unique challenges there. I know there was one family in particular that had to have a visa expedited to get here from cuba because were not quite open with that country. Exactly. I think thats important to note. With this community, we cant even put Latino Community in one huge bucket within them. Theres so many unique challenges. Its casebycase, based on the individual, based on the family, based on the country. Weve had situations where a mother needs a visa to come to the funeral. Weve had a situation where remains need to be transported to another country. So weve been coordinating with an inkind network of corporations that have volunteered to help during this time of crisis as well as coordinating on the ground with our latino Partner Organizations to ensure that these folks have the resources they need and that they know they have the right to these resources. Do you know whether or not this Family Member would be able to petition to come back if he were to go to the funeral . I cannot speak for this specific case. Im an advocate in this work. If youd asked me a week ago if i knew this much about victim assistance, i wouldnt have believed it. We on the ground in orlando are working in corporation with partners in the local, state and federal government. At Equality Florida were committed to the lgbtq community, communities of color within this community. Were doing everything we can to ensure they know their rights and they can have access. During this heartwrenching time were doing what we can to ensure we focus on the victims and their families and survivors and make sure they dont get trapped in a bureaucratic mess. Ida escamoni, thank you for being here. Chris easiest did an indepth interview with the director of o. J. made in america. Hmmmmmm. Hmmmmm. [ dreams by beck ] hmmmmm. The turbocharged dream machine. The Volkswagen Golf gti. Named one of car and drers 10best, 10 years in a row. Think yotry nexium 24hr. s best for your heartburn . 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Tonight there are formal murder charges for the man suspected of killing a british politician, shooting and stabbing jo cox on the street in broad daylight. Theres new evidence tonight tieing that suspect with neo nazis here in the united states. Nbc has the latest from london. Reporter joy, officially police here have not released a motive. They said tonight theyre still questioning the suspect, a man who lived alone in the town where jo cox was killed and allegedly had ties to a u. S. Neonazi group. Tonight possible new clues behind the deadly ambush of british member of Parliament Jo cox. Police investigating whether the reported suspect 52yearold tommy maier had links to extremists. This document allegedly tying him to the neo Nazi Organization National Alliance. We have documentary proof of his connections with the National Alliance between 1999 and 2003. Reporter like this receipt for books, including one on how to make a gun. In a country where gun laws are strict and gun violence rare, witnesses said the weapon could have been homemade. Probably a makeshift gun reporter new clues to the suspects motive may tie into a historic vote next week about whether britain will break away from europe. The suspect reportedly yelled britain first, a rallying cry for antiimmigrant groups who want to leave the eu. Jo cox wanted to stay. Our communities have been deeply enhanced by imgrace reporter the highstakes vote critical for the u. S. Too. If britain leaves, a domino effect could send americans 401 k s plumping. The stock Market Impact would be immediate and significant, much more so than an economic one. Reporter tonight both sides here are suspending their campaigns while a stunned nation mourns. Nbc news, london. The vote is next thursday, just six days away. The latest opinion polls taken before jo coxs death showed the leave side edging ahead. And one more note about the suspect. 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I believe hes turning off, i cant say for sure but i think thats sunset. Lets just wait and see. It is. Yeah, it is. I think that might be wilshire boulevard hes getting off of. Let see, its either sunset or wilshire. When he gets up to the corner ill be able to tell you. No, i think thats sunset. Yeah, i do too. Yeah, i think youre right. Look at the people. Look at the people. At this very minute, 22 years ago tonight, o. J. Simpson was in the back of a white ford bronco while his longtime friend al cowins was behind the wheel. Theyd lead police on the most famous car chase in american history. 95 million watched on television that night, including on nbc, which ran game five of the nba finals in a split screen with the chase. The trial of o. J. Simpson for the murder of his exwife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend ron goldman was billed as the trial of the century, but it and the not guilty verdict exposed a deep racial divide in this country. Earlier this year many in the country were also transfixed by the fx miniseries the people versus o. J. Simpson which was cables mostwatched new show of 2016. Now if youre thinking to yourself that after the popularity of that series there was no way people would have a desire to watch any more about o. J. This year, then you havent seen the amazing new documentary by director ezra edelman. Murderer where he gonna run to its easy to celebrate. Its easy to be fun when everybodys winning. Youve got a tragedy in your life, write an interesting autobiography. O. J. Simpson made in america is a fivepart documentary series that looks at one of the most extraordinary falls from grace in modern history. Chris hayes sat down with ezra edelman and began by asking what it was like to devoting nearly eight hours to o. J. Simpson. This story is befitting of that length. I mean, there is that much in terms of his life, the story of l. A. , the criminal justice system. For you to fully understand what happened in 1994 and 95, i feel like youve got to go that deep. Did you know that when the project started . Was the scope of it apparent to you . Or was this something where youre doing the work on it, finding all this footage, discovering all these things, and it extended and extended . The concept i was approached because i dont think any person in their right mind would actually want to take this on in this way. The initial concept was five hours for tv. And if that had not been the initial thing, i would have said no, because frankly, so many people have tried to do or told stories about the trial and if you have two hours to do it what are you going to do . When theres an expectation that you have to tell a story about those events . How do you make how do you add to the story . Correct. The answer is, you cant. Unless you have o. J. Himself talking about it in a different way. And so for me, that initial concept, that canvas that was being offered, it told me, oh, i can go backwards. I can go and tell the history. I can go and tell this story about the lapd and the black community in los angeles. I can examine o. J. s rise to fame as a football star and as at commercial pitchman. And really parse his racial identity. And by the way, all these things are necessary to understand just how crazy the trial was. Its like the experience of watching it is, its like you lay the trains on these different tracks and then we just set them off. So just the lapd cop stuff was mindblowing, to me. There are things in there i mean, i have read a lot about the watts riots and i obviously knew about rodney king. But lula love, a woman shot and killed by lapd and there was essentially no punishment. Thats correct. You embed in the mind of the viewer what it would be like, a little bit i think, to be how you might think about the lapd if you were a black angelino and walked into that trial room. Whats important is as you know the trial was so divisive. And people lining up, white black, sort of. It really was simplified that if you were black, you thought he was innocent. If you were white, you believed he was guilty. And then you had these clips when the verdict was read of black people celebrating and white people crying, or white people angry at black people celebrating. Then theres this sense of, i didnt understand, why were black people cheering a murderer . The person that we believed to be a murderer . And for me its like, thats not that confusing. If you just understand the history, if you understand what has been happening in this city for the past 50 years, maybe youd be able to empathize. The only way you can do that is to go on this yes or nony. There is this penny drop moment, this cop starts showing up in the interviews. You do all these interviews. This cop starts showing up. Hes there saying very kind of reactionary white cop stuff about black angelinos and crime. Youre thinking, this is interesting. Then you get to the point, when we got to o. J. s house, youre like, oh. That guy, he wasnt even furman that we know about. Theres another guy who has theseviews. I understood . I understood in this moment in a way i hadnt before the way it felt like to interpret this through that prism. Then we did our job. In essence, this is oral history. You have all these characters you essentially dot the landscape of los angeles. Some live in the west side, some live in south l. A. And the way that we were telling the story, i really felt that they had to take you on this journey through this history. And all of them have some role themselves in the o. J. Universe, vortex. And you dont really realize that until you get to that part of the story. Youve got really incredible parents. Your mom is a longtime civil rights activist, defender of children. Your father, a law professor, famously resigned from the Clinton Administration over welfare reform. But things that struck me as i watched this was a sense of eternal recurrence. There was a little bit of this. It was tough in ways because it felt like, man, all this has been written before, now here we are 20 years later, we have black lives matter, we have footage of Police Violence did you come away working on this project, some thoughts about progress, about what progress has been made . Sure, but i dont know that a lot has been made. I think you hit the nail on the head as far as when you watch this film, you immediately go to this place of thinking about the cyclical nature of history. And then the fact that we spent so much time, and generationally, i dont know exactly how old you are, im 41. I was in high school when rodney king happened. That was an awakening. Then theres the riots. In some ways, thats one of those times where your innocence gets wrung. Youre like, this happened. This happens, i didnt realize this. Then when you realize, when you start thinking about this, well, this happened 27 years before. Watts exploded in violence. In terms of when we decide over the same stuff. Over the same stuff. When we perk up, when we decide to Pay Attention and discuss when this stuff happens, but does it change . I think the last two years shows that nothings really changed. Having said that, i think in l. A. There has been some progress within the police department. Thats undeniable. Then when you look at all the stuff thats happened, the stuff thats been happening in chicago the past couple of years, you do question whether we have any progress. Ezra edelman, o. J. made in america, do whatever you can to see this, thanks. That is all in for this evening. Catch me on a. M. 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