In one location authorities found an explosive device, chemicals and an isis flag. Authorities released this image of three men pushing luggage carts at the airport prior to the attack. Nbc reports they are suspects in the attack. Two are believed to be dead. The other, the man in the lighter jacket to the right is being sought as we talk. Any way, many questions remain, of course. Who are the men pictured in the photo . How far in advance was this planned . Did it get moved up after the arrest of the suspect from the paris attack and are there many attacks on the way in the near future . Lets begin this hour in brussels. Christopher, thank you for joining us. Give us wrap up, a wrap around of what you can report right now. I think the most interesting thing weve heard is that there was a taxi driver who took the three guys out to the airport. They wouldnt let him lift the bags out of his trunk. They were so heavy he couldnt lift them. He thought it was weird. When he heard there was these explosions he got in touch with police and he took police to the apartment from which he picked them up. That is where they got that break and found those chemicals and that evidence, the flag. Other evidence of jihadist activities. That was a really important break in the case. It helped them go back and look at the videos, the closed circuit tv video and identify the three. Thats how they got to be singled out. I think thats the most interesting development. It takes them well down the path toward finding this one guy. Its not just that they have an unidentified picture. They also know where he was holding up and they may even have some dna. We havent heard anything like that yet. Do we have any leads like that like the subway attack an hour later . None that ive heard. That was a much more devastating attack. Not only were more People Killed but when you set off a bomb inside a crowded subway car, youll kill a lot of people. If its a suicide bomber with a vest, his body is obliterated and it will be mixed in with a lot of other dna. Living in paris and reporting from there, do you have a sense of belgium . Its taken some hits on this program as an inadequate government in terms of security, immigration and assimilation and those goals we like to put together. Not being the case in that country. Do you have a sense of that situation of belgium. A country that gets very little attention in the United States and now does. Belgium is a country thats not terribly well organized. You have the flemish population and the french speaking population. This is a country that went for two years without a government. Its hard to run a tough security establishment when the people at the top cant get their act together. That was def ninitely the case here. Its not a surprise they are not competent in their police work. In terms of immigration, they wound up with a lot of people who were brought here to work in factories and the factories closed and the people didnt have anywhere to go. They stayed put and got embedded in neighborhoods. Once the economy is dealing hashish. They dont like police very much. They have an underground culture. When you introduce jihadist into the mix who tell young men you seem to be leading a pointless life, ill show you how to go fight for the rights of your muslim compatriots around the world. Some men find that seductive. Thats how they wind up in syria. Youre a great story teller. I think its the exact truth in what you described. Thank you. Bryan is with the center for american progress. You know, were just going around an area here. Were trying to focus in on the picture of three suspects. Two of which had strangely wearing gloves, which may have contained a button to push. Suicide bombers, were looking that the. A cab driver we just learned from chris, a cab driver was told by the passengers dont try to lift the bags. Well do it. Thats something suspicious there. Thats the information we there. We do know its isis. Put it together. Whats interesting, listening to the reporting on this is the tip of the spear here is Law Enforcement and intelligence work and everything you just described there. This is what our Law Enforcement and intelligence agencies do. Its important that this attack and our reaction is much more mature. Were understanding a decade ago we understand our u. S. Military should go somewhere. We understand there requires governing constituti ining inst. Theres no foolproof system but we have gotten good in the United States of preventing these attacks. Remember 9 11, those people were living in germany, the master minds. They got the Pilot Training in florida. Yes. Thats right. A lot of that was pretty close to home when they were putting it together. Let me bring in Anthony Roman about this picture. How did we start with the maco of isis trying to develop a caliphate. Whats left of iraq and syria and at the same time do we have this kind of loyalty on the contin continent of europe to have people kill themselves in rush hour in brussels. Just to do that, just to create a noise that will unsettle the west. When you have an entire community thats disenfranchised economically and socially and politically, its a Fertile Ground for isis to harvest future terrorists. They bring them to the so called caliphate. They receive military training. Its exciting. Theres coamaraderie. They come back and highly radicalized. When you factor in that the intelligen Intelligence Services are not being effective. The u. S. Intelligence agencies are reluctant to cooperate with the belgium intelligence agencies, you have a real problem on your hand. This is why belgium is such an easy target. Do you think its why they live there . Its a chicken and egg problem. Why are there so many bad guys coming from such a small european country . This area is a no go zone. Some of my intelligence sources right after the paris attack were present undercover. They reported that there was an air of absolute defiance that this is our area. This is our country. Were not leaving and youre not interfering with what we do. That was the common feeling of the intelligence agencies that there were there. A complete lack of especially gauging the community economically, socially and politically so that they participate in the process and help you with the solution. The solution is actually counter intuitive to what most people think. Its inclusiveness. Its participation. Its europe. Its not america. Thats right. Thats why we left. Thats why most americans left because they didnt fit into europe. Its part of the answer. In our own debate, we are heard here in america, some messages of steady resolve and resilience and erratic fear mongering. Trying to paint muslim communities in a certain way. The way the british did the irish for several hundred years. There is a history of not fitting into europe. Those were a different eras. I think at this point this issue of pluralism is at the core of how do we keep everybody secure. I know. Theres a difference. I hope we still stay better at it than they are. Thank you. I loved listens to you. Joining us by phone is betty newsome. Its reported your niece and husband are missing. Can you tell us what you know . Betty. I think well try to get back to her. When we return, reaction from john kasich. Hell join us life. Our coverage will continue after this. Driverassist systems. It recognizes pedestrians and alerts you. Warns you about incoming crosstraffic. Cameras and radar detect dangers you dont. And it can even stop by itself. 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I would have had my intelligence and military folks and met with them to talk about vulnerabilities a vulnerabilities, and i would have sent them to europe. This isnt anything anybody advised me to say. This is what i know. Send them to europe. Send them to brussels. Sit down with our allies in europe. Honestly, examine our vulnerabilities and begin to fix them. The other thing is weve got to go and destroy isis. We keep talking about it but were not doing anything about it. We need that coalition of arabs, the muslims who support us and that Good Coalition to go and take them out on the air and the ground and we need aggressive, aggressive intelligence. Human intelligence. We need to make sure that the civilized world is together on this. We need to share intelligence and here at home when it comes to these Counter Terrorism task forces that are made up of fbi, Homeland Security, state and Law Enforcement they need to have the resources which im told they have and they need to have tools which is why im glad, i think were getting a resolution in this encryption case. I know youre patriotic about the patriotism that you and i share. Im thinking, how do we keep that the way it is that for most of the people who have come to the United States over the years, in fact, 99. 999 come here because they want to be americans. They want to be americans and wave the flag like we did as kids. We used to march up and down in front of our catholic grade school. It was unbelievable. We want to assimilate as fast as possible. Some people come here and join large communities. They are isolated from the rest of the countries. Might be in denver, detroit, new jersey, could be anywhere. That could be harmless. When you have an east, west situation, the muslim world being offered these ideas of terrorism and radicalization, how do you work against that as americans when you have a free society. How do you stop it . Can you . I think number one, is sometimes it takes another generation. When my mother and father who were the sons and daughter of an immigrant, they didnt talk much about the old country. Some people do cling to that. I think its a generational change. You know the kids begin to assimilate on the ball field, soccer field. They begin to assimilate in school. It begins to change. Youre right. There are some communities like as you mentioned in little havana. They still love america and have assimilated. Thats part of it. The other thing is, chris, listen, these Counter Terrorism task forces, the ability of state and local Law Enforcement along with the fbi to gather information while still respecting the civil rights and freedom of americans, thats where we come in. Thats where you and i notice something in our community and our neighbors notice something. We let Law Enforcement know. In san bernardino, the neighbor apparently saw things happening but the neighbor didnt tell anybody. The father saw radicalization happening to his son, didnt tell anybody. There will be responsibility, to some degree on our part, the let the Law EnforcementCommunity Know about radicalization. On assimilation, i think its a process of generation is what i basically think. Unfortunately, the case where is the people will come here from a country pretty remote from here whether north africa or the middle east. The parents will bust their butt to make a living and fit in. The kinds come along and find themes alienated. Reacting to the attacks, donald trump said torture works when interrogating suspects. Im not sure what brought this up, but here is what he said. Are you in the camp that harsh interrogation, torture, works in case like this . Yes, i am in that camp. I dont believe the other people. I am in that camp. Here is Hillary Clinton what she had to say on the same question. As to water boarding, our country most experienced and greatest military leaders will tell you that torture is not effective. It does put our own soldiers and our own civilians at risk. You know governor, i dont know whether donald trump knows any more about water boarding or snow boarding, but it seems to be a statement of strength the people like. They want know you will push to the limits our power to protect us. Just right to the limits and beyond the limits. Well, you know, i think that a leader is somebody who is tough and strong and measured. When you think about Ronald Reagan and you knew him and i knew him, he never overreacted. He never used inflammatory rhetoric. He was always very, very calm even the middle of a crisis. We think back to a guy we all admire and love was winston churchill. He said never, never, never give in. There are proper ways to show strength. Frankly, i think if you gyrating back and forth it doesnt give people confidence. When it comes to interrogation, i talk to people who were high up in the cia, there are techniques we can use. The problem with torture is that we can often get information thats completely false. We want to be effective this terms of our techniques of interrogation and we want to be strong about it. We dont have to apologize for it. Were trying to protect the country. My approach is to be measured, to be strong, to be calm and be ability to take action. I happen to believe here in the United States with our joint Terrorism Task forces the biggest challenge is the lone wolf, the home grown terrorist. We have to make sure we know whos is coming into the country, for example, with this visa waiver program. Thats an appropriate thing for congress to look at and administration to lead the way on. Lets be resolute and lets solve this problem, and thats the way i approach it. If it doesnt get me a vote, i guess thats just tough, isnt it . What about this snake thing trump talks about. He tells the person of the story who bring the snake in and they feed it and the poisonous snakebites the person and kills them. He said Something Like what do you expect. Thats the argument he makes. Were going to have to rely on local police, state police, state intelligence, not state intelligence but the fbi and our intelligence community. In regard to that, when it comes to the lone wolf or when it comes to the home grown terrorist, were going to have to have neighbors keeping their eyes open. Yes. You can say all the things you want to, chris, and you can use all the rhetoric you want to, but im interested in solving the problem. In my state, im the governor of ohio, were the seventh largest state. Its a state weve had to keep our eye on. I remember getting a Homeland Security briefing when i first became governor of the threats. We handle these things. Im not telling you well be perfect. I can tell you i talked to our head of Public Safety today, we go over things. We ask about the resources. We try to find out where the threats might be. They tell me things that they think are appropriate, and we just move forward making sure that were going everything we can do. I think when people hear that, they feel better about that. Frankly, than when we lose our cool. We had an ebola crisis, we thought, in ohio. I handled it in a strong and calm way. It gives people confidence to know somebodys in charge. I cant promise anybody we wont have a lone wolf or a home grown terrorist. Were going everything we can to bring all the assets. When i think about people whether in europe. When people die and they bleed in europe, we die a little bit and we bleed a little bit in the United States. I think about my family the same way i think about people that i dont even know who live in our country. You know, last question, and i agree with everything you said. There is a tendency in our history when we get attacks, were raring to do something about it. We get very militaristic in a sense. We want to show the people that hit us that we can hit them back just as hard, if not harder. Is this going to help trump because of his incredible statements about banning muslims from the country and torture and all the things he said put him on that very marshal side of things . Doesnt this help him what happened, not his idea to do it. He had nothing to do with it. He didnt want it to happen. Politically, does that not help the person like him who gives sump a strong statement of defiance . Maybe thats a time when leaders need to really kind of stand in the breech. 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Along came the september bombing and everybody felt something. Or rome. Theres some competitors there. People felt something. Maybe because the nightclub, people having fun on a late weekend night, seemed something they would like to be doing and all of a sudden theyre dead. Weve been talking about it since 9 11. We talked about what if they walked into a large stadium or restaurant. Subway, Movie Theaters. Its happening right in front of our eyes in place that many of us visit from time to time. Its a culture that feels close to ours. Its city you could walk into a big Movie Theater with oversized luggage and nobody stop you. I hate to think about how vulnerable we. Subways, nobody checks you. You race on to the car. Youre there in two seconds. You could be doing anything. You dont want to be doing profiling. I dont know what we do. I think weve been lucky. We have been lucky. Lets talk about sympathies for paris because many of us have been there. Many of us like paris. People forget that one week later youre quite the i wouldnt speak to gently. Theres a lot of people who havent been on a airplane who did feel for paris. Up with week later there was a horrific terror attack were people were killed, where were People Holding vigils for them. Where were people demanding that president obama drop everything. Your point . What about cameroon, the next day. Whats your point . They are very remote. They are all pinpricks in the war of terror. Look how angry we got when kenya was hit. Europes our closest ally. We had the longest standing relationship with them. We rely on them but a whole host of other challenges around the world. There is common values there. There are connections, a personal connection. Weve had such a rich history with europe for 60 or 70 years. Lets talk about the weird empathy. Not empathy positive, negative em empathy. Brushing your teeth. Only this time the cab ride for you and your two friends is to kill yourself. Killing yourself you kill total strangers, baby, grandmothers, killing regular people youve been living along your whole life in belgium. Killing people you see on the corner. People you say hello to. People that sell you a newspaper in the morning. Kill them. Thats what really strikes me. Goes capability to do that. The capability to have a plan and say yes i will do it weeks ahead putting it together. How do you stop a person. Three guys talking to each other for all we know. For all we know. The problem is theyre like lone wolves but this is a bigger problem than lone wolves. Were talking about People Living in a country, some were born there. Some raises there who feel isolated, alienated and are able to hide in plain sight and plot and plan and murder. Hundreds of people, if you lu all the terrorist attacks. Im with you over how this is possible this can happen. I remember talking to my mother and she said why cant we go in there and get them. I said were fighting an enemy that has no country. Sdplm i said earlier tonight, a 13yearold today five years from now can be a terrorist. Hes not a terrorist now. He will become one. Its not an ethnic group. This is the real vulnerability for europe. They have all these young people inspired by the isis movement. Is it online . Its all online. They connect easily. They are targeted in many ways. They are targeted to be radic radicalized in various countries across europe. Its not just a belgium problem. Its not just a french problem. Its all over europe. This is what the europeans have been trying to tackle. What we have to understand is we may never get at the heart of our vulnerabilities if well keep our societies as open as we want to. Yes, we can and should do more. What percentage of people we all went to school with had tough times going to school . Theres a lot of people that feel alienated. If theres something saying join up, we know how you feel, well suit you up. 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Add to that they have six Different Police departments effectively inside brussels itself. The broader problem is our ability in the United States to be safe from the continued radicalization in places like brussels is dependent on the quality of something called no fly list. Thats the list that prevents european citizens from traveling to the United States. The reality of the situation is that we are really unsure as to how good the information on these no fly lists are and how good europeans are at populated that list with information about their pending investigatioinves. One of the recommendations we have to take seriously is telling a will the of European Countries that they still want to be part of programs like the program that allows you to come into the United States without a visa. Theyve got to start populating these records, these no fly lists with their up to date information about pending investigations. Im thinking of the degrees to which we check people as they cross borders. You get to the canada all you do is answer a local accent. If it sounded american, you can cross and come back. Thats how comfortable we were. If you get on an israeli airliner, you have to go through an interview. They really try to figure you out psychologically. They want to know that nobody will cause any trouble to israel. How can tough can we interview people coming from the problem areas of the world . Well, we have a different relationship with the europeans. Of course, a lot of our economy relies on the free flow. We have to raise the standard by which we allow people to come here without a visa. That problem involves increasing a lot of security screens that are part of the visa Free Travel Program to the United States. It requires us saying to the europeans that if they are not populating the no fly list with their most relevant information, then we arent going to allow them to continue to be part of that program. There will be some tough messages we need to send to the europeans in order to make sure our homeland is kept safe. Senator ted cruz is running for president and offer dire warnings. Our european allies are now seeing what come offense a toxic mix of migrants who have been infiltrated. We need to empower law patrols. He doubled down. Lets listen. Political correctness causes lives. Its standard Law Enforcement, its good Law Enforcement to focus on where threats are imnating. Where theres an expanding presence. We need Law Enforcement resources directed there. Im wondering what that means. What does it mean to you what hes talking about, tanks, police cars, regular cars. Seemed to me that would only drive up the sense of keeping secrets. I think theres sort of an overplay in our Politics Today about analogies to the nazis. It struck them in way that had some pretty insidious Historical Context to it. One of the critical differences between the United States and belgium is that we dont get our muslim populations that we have been able to assimilate them as we have legions of immigrants before them. This things that are coming out of senator cruzs mouth, the things that donald trump is saying will push american muslims into isolated corners of cities that allow them to fall pray, to fall victim to some of these messaging. It had some very insidious Historical Context to it. Im at an airport every two days. Our airports and our traffic with people across this country is overwhelmingly diverse. Theres so many people with traditional garb and head coverings and so many different kinds of people, different shades of color. We have so many different people in this country. You would think people would get used to that. People like cruz have tried to build this up and they dont think about things anymore. The idea that the east is at war with the west. The caliphate is shrinking and it shrunk by over a third since the beginning of last year. That narrative is unavailable in a way its been in the past. They say things and take step that would prove this really is a war between christians and muslims. Everything that we do in our president ial candidate say to feed into it just frankly grows be potential strength of the organization. I think people need know the bad guys. The ones stirring up and encouraging young people to kill themselves. Ban them. Theyre the enemy. They want to hear that. Any way its perverse but it does make sense if you think about it. Thank you. Our coverage of the terror attacks will continue. Stay with us. Cant afford to let heartburn get in the way . Try nexium 24hr, now the 1 selling brand for frequent heartburn. 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Its like the whole in the wall gang. There has been ramped up security measures in place. There are hundreds, if not thousands of soft targets. What police and Law Enforcement officials need is the tactical intelligence. They need the signals intelligence. They need the communication between the individuals. Unless they are able to access that, whether through their phones, emails or facetoface communication, its difficult to pin down the precise time. Does it tell you that struck within a country within almost walking distance of where they live . They didnt go off with all this talk, who is going to talk about the intereuropean thing. This isnt a factor of being able to move from one european country to another. This was done within belgium. Its possible they were going to carry this out at a future point in time. Not the same people because they could be dead. They probably did this now because of the recent capture. You believe theres a connection . I believe theres a connection. Theres been some reported connections in the press. This whole question of easy movement. It was the top recruitment city for isil two years ago. They put into Place Community engagement, community dialogue. How do we know its the top Recruitment Center . According to the mayor it was two years ago. Since then its not had any isil recruitment from people going to syria. Its not just part of our values to reach out to people and welcome them into our communities d integrate them. Its effective to reduce. Its a safe place from the police because they ineffective. Why did we know it was the trouble before this morning . They are happy to recruit poor and immigrant populations into the area. What they fail to do was create a police force and a Community Leadership that was willing to engage those people. By failing to invest in the community and failing to invest in the security and intelligence monitoring necessary to deal with the fall out of not investing in an integrated community. You created a bit of a perfect storm to have people want to be radicalized and with developments in syria we knew that over a hundred people from that district would go into syria and be trained. They thought many of them wouldnt come back. Whep th when they did, they still failed to have police that spoke ara c arabic. When we knew about the paris attacks and the list of People Living in the area, we were promised house to house searches. You cant search 30,000 houses overnight. You can search more than 1 out of every 250 homes. That wasnt taking place either. Its not the case of cross border movement. It was a thoen hot spot and wasnt really a crackdown in that area. The belgium authorities stumbled. They didnt update their laws. Well said. On top of that, there are 500 individuals from belgium who went to fight in syria. You cant arrest and kill your way out of this. Theres not enough Law Enforcement to do it. Thank you very much. Well be right back. 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