Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. In what was an instantly iconic moment today america was introduced to Caitlyn Jenner. Call me caitlyn with a portrait by annie lebowitz. Bruce jenner went to the Surgeons Office in Beverly Hills thinking the facial feminization surgery would take about five hours. Caitlyn left the office in Beverly Hills after the procedure had taken roughly ten hours n. A video on vanity fairs website Caitlyn Jenner described her thoughts the. I was running a way from a lot of things. Very, very proud of the accomplishment. I dont want to diminish the accomplishment. The last few days doing the shoot was about my life and who i am as a person. Bruce always had to tell a lie. He was always living that lie every day. He always had a secret from morning until night. Caitlyn doesnt have any secrets. As soon as the vanity fair cover comes out, im free. Caitlyn jenners first tweet, im so happy after such a long struggle, to be living my true self. Cant wait for you to get to know her me. Caitlyn jenner has 1 million followers. She became the fastest twitter follower even faster than president obama. Today ushered in the next chapter of the transition of the olympic gold medal superstar and reality tv staple who has been known as bruce jenner. He first publicly admitted he was in the process in an interview with diane sawyer broadcast april 24. I look at it this way. Bruce always telling a lie. Hes lived the lie his whole life about who he is. And i cant do that any longer. Are you a woman . Yes, for all intents and purposes, i am a woman. Now with this first public photograph as Caitlyn Jenner has become the most famous transgender person to go through a transition in the public eye in history. Caitlyn general letter have her own reality show on e and she will be awarded the arthur ashe courage award at the espn espy awards. Congressman mike honda of california tweeted in february, quote, as a proud grandpa of a transgender grandchild i hope she can fear safe at School Without fear of being bullied. Its a great pleasure to have you. Thank you. First, your sense of the import of this as this cultural moment today. Well, i think its a moment, like you said, a culture moment but its a moment of teaching and learning, and i think that caitlyn had done a wonderful job of instructing people about this life, her life, and distinction. She was very hard on herself when she said that bruce jenner was a liar. Well, society had a lot to do with it and didnt allow that kind of exposure to happen. I hope that her story today and in the future will be able to mature our population and make us a little bit more open and eliminate closets for young people. I find her discussion of this real unburdening thats happening, the idea of living with the burden, profoundly moving. Youre someone of the same roughly aged cohort as jenner, and, obviously this is something i think theres a certain kind of learning curve for folks of that cohort. Im curious how youve gone through that yourself. I think there are a couple of changes occur almost immediately. A change of pronounce and even searches for a more appropriate pronoun. And i think that how we look at birthing and how children are assigned a gender is going to be important, also. I think people of my age group have a lot of learning to do, but its something that helps us become more open, more nurturing, more embracing, and itll save a lot of lives. What do you mean by that . I think suicide among youngsters who are in question about their own gender, the fact that theyre being bullied all the time, and the effort to protect them from bullying is minimal right now. But with this kind of discussion, i think that more and more youngsters, more and more people will be aware of what kind of hurt and how far that hurt drives into a person to a point of committing suicide. And i think we have youngsters who when they first declare themselves to parents are very powerful image and person of a childs life if theres a resistance from a youngster declaring herself in the case of melissa, the first plank of the door to the closet, to the extent that were open and nurturing and engaging and allowing them to express themselves, that door will not exist. Do you have conversations about this issue with your colleagues . There are tremendous legal impediments, not just prejudice, there are legal impediments to folks out there. Tell me the level of kind of familiarity, literacy, openmindedness among your colleagues. I think thats an ongoing process. Were going through the acceptance of the letters lbgtq. Although weve passed laws and the Supreme Court has made judgments, we still have a way to go and open dialogue and discussion is healthy. I have a colleague from florida and we have our occasional chats. I think for myself this past weekend i spent time with a gentleman by the jaime of joel who is the executive director of gender Spectrum Group in emeryville, california, who works very closely with the endocrinologist at the university of californiasan francisco. Steven rosenthal. Theyre collaborating and looking at the science and the sociology of transgender. And i think from their work we can come up with some word smithing on how to adjust our policies in an appropriate way. Congressman mike honda, a pleasure. Thank you for joining me tonight. Thank you. There are 700,000 transgender men and women in the u. S. Most of them not famous and many are often the target of open hostility but there are positive little developments. Occupational safety and health administration, osha, issued a four page guide to restroom access to ensure transgender employees are able to work in a manner consistent with how they live the rest of their daily lives and said transgender employees should have access to the restroom that correspondents to their gender identity and not be forced to use a third or gender neutral bathroom. Both houses of the state Legislature Passed a bill to changing gender on birth certificates according to a press release. According to the Movement Advancement project most states score poorly when ranked on lbgt policies that include marriage, adoption, safe schools, health and safety, and ability for transgender people to change the gender on identity documents. Joining me now a transgender rights advocate parker molloy. There are so many tangible concrete battles fought for equality in this space. I want to talk about your assessment of the import of this moment, this cultural moment, how it will impact those battles happening on the ground. Sure. Thanks for having me, chris. I believe that it all kind of ties together. You see these legal developments, the osha pamphlet essentially, along with the connecticuts new law. These are great things. This is a positive forward. You combine that with Caitlyn Jenner popping up on the cover of vanity fair and theres just so much visibility right now. I believe it ties in together. As you mentioned things most people arent like Caitlyn Jenner. Most people have to go to a day job and dont have the luxury of being able to hide away like that. So oshas recommendation is really important in the sense its trying to help the majority of trans people. The issue is the fact this is just a recommendation. It doesnt have any real teeth to it. Theres nothing that can force people to follow it. And while they do note that the courts have ruled in favor of transpeople, these are expensive battles to take to Supreme Court and so that makes it prohibitive in another sense. The point you made there strikes me as an essential and important one about the kind of daytoday friction with a world that isnt necessarily in the most enlightened space in conceiving of this. And sometimes i think probably out of ignorance more than malice but a combination of both am what are policies you think that could genuinely get us towards a better world in that respect . Sure. I think the first thing that needs to happen there, we need to see work place protections and not to just rely on those protections being the department of justice ruling or osha ruling something. We need to have that in legislation which is why i think its really important we get a trans inclusive nondiscrimination act passed through congress without, you know, any excessive loopholes that allow people out of that because we just need to make it clear that its not okay to deny someone work and its not okay to fire them just for being trans or for coming out as trans. As long as thats the case, it legitimizes the argument trans people arent okay. Theres something wrong with them. Theyre not welcome to be around children. Recently there was a case at a barnes noble where a trans employee who was suing barnes noble claims that she was fired after coming out as trans, and part of the reason given was think about the children. This is a family are store. Now nothing hurts more than hearing people say that you cant be around children or you shouldnt be around children simply are for existing. And that comes from this culture thats built in that really envelops all of us. Thats interesting, this sort of essential front line nature of actual statutory work place protection is a really key point. Parker molloy, thank you for your time. Texas allowing guns in more places on campus. First, a brandnew contender for president and an update on auer fantasy candidate draft next. Progressive insurance here and im a box who thrives on the unexpected. Haha shall we dine . [ chuckle ] you wouldnt expect an Insurance Company to show you their rates and their competitors rates but thats precisely what we do. Going up nope, coming down. And if you switch to progressive today you could save an average of over 500 bucks. Stop it. So call me today at the number below. Or is it above . Dismount oh, and he sticks the landing start the interview with a firm handshake. Ay,no dont do that try new head shoulders instant relief. It cools on contact, and also keeps you 100 flake free. Try new head shoulders instant relief. For cooling relief in a snap. Today we have another entrant in the president ial race which means more points on our all in fantasy draft board. Lindsey graham, if you like john mccain then youre going to like Lindsey Graham. My illegitimate son, Lindsey Graham, is exploring that option. Hes from the home of the gamecocks. If you have a war, hes for it. Put your hands together for Lindsey Graham. Your reaction to Lindsey Graham . Not happy. Hes a whammie pick without being a whammie pick. Lindsey graham declaring hits run in his home state of South Carolina despite having something less than a groundswell of support from the republican faithful. Graham is a former Baltimore MayorMartin Omalley and former governor, a democrat, announced his White House Run in baltimore at an event that drew protesters tied to the black lives mattered movement to heckled omalley during his announcement. Today, to all who can hear my voice, i declare i am a candidate for president of the United States, and i am running for you. Those keeping score at home Michael Steele is leading in our all in fantasy draft. A long way to go. A lot of candidates on the board. Check out our Facebook Page where we have our draft updates. Martin omalley joins a democratic president ial field who has Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, the latter of whom has been drawing massive crowds, larger than many expected including an estimated 4,000 people at a minneapolis town hall yesterday. With Lindsey Graham entry into the race today, now a full 5 of the senate is running for president. The battles are playing out on the senate floor where cameras caught graham hilariously rolling his eyes at rhetoric from rand paul. Well bring you the back story on what prompted that next. Clinically proven neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair with the fastest retinol formula available, it works on fine lines and even deep wrinkles. Youll see younger looking skin in just one week. Stop hoping for results, and start seeing them. Rapid wrinkle repair. And for dark spots rapid tone repair. From neutrogena®. Last year the senior senator endorsed the president ial ambitions of his states junior senator saying if rand paul runs for president , quote, hell be able to count on me the. Now paul has handed a huge defeat to his colleague and just about the most humiliating way possible. The house pass add bill earlier this month, the usa freedom act and changed the law to end the bolt collection of phone records, exposed by edward snowden. Those records would instead be held by telecon Companies Like verizon, though the nsa could still get a court order to access them. Mitch mcconnell didnt like that. He wanted to keep the patriot act pretty much unchanged. He hoped coreplace it with something he liked better. It was a gamble and it failed spectacularly. Despite warnings from the white house mcconnell and many others have dire consequences, the provisions expired last night at midnight without Congress Passing anything this despite the fact mcconnell had finally relented and was willing to pass the house bill during a special session yesterday. Why couldnt he get it done . Rand paul, the man mcconnell endorsed for president , used the special session to lecture his colleagues about what he sees as their willingness to give away americans freedoms. Things got pretty nasty. People here in town think im making a huge mistake. Some of them, i think, secretly want there to be an attack on the United States so they can blame it on me. Paul admit that had might have been hyperbolic. He energized his supporters and infuriated colleagues with mccain, Dianne Feinstein suggesting paul was putting his political ambitions ahead of security. A closed door meeting paul himself skipped in which senator mark kirk of illinois dubbed the we dont stand with rand meeting. Tomorrow when paul runs out of tools to block it, they are expected to move forward, reinstate the provisions but blocking bolt collection of phone records by the government. The big question after all of this political posturing in the most dramatic debate over american surveillance since september 11 is whether after all of this anything will have truly changed. Joining me one of the few representatives to vote against that bill, representative ted lieu. Im confused. At 2 15 we saw the government can say give us three months of phone records, every metadata, every phone record call, not the content, but who is calling whom, we want to store it. What is different the way the freedom act has changed that . I dont understand. The freedom act has private sector Telephone Companies hold on to the record and thats one reason i voted no against the freedom act. I dont believe private Sector Companies should be an arm of Law Enforcement. Right. This is what i dont understand. Dont they by definition have these records . Like verizon presumably can access this if they need to. I dont understand what affirmatively theyre being asked to do here. Here is the whole rub with all of this. Even though the patriot act has expired, the nsa can still do everything it virtually wants to do if they just get a warrant. The whole issue can they spy on americans without warrants . And i support what rand paul did. I might add, by the way, since the patriot act provision expired today might be a good day to call your mother. It will be the first time in many years the federal government is not seizing your phone records. First of all, on this warrant question, my understanding, again, get to the details, the reason that the document that leaked, right, the snowden document that leaked, was that not a warrant or was that just an order from the federal government for the bulk collection . You have these fisa courts, a rubber stamped court, that has done everything the nsa asked and they gave a generalized warrant that said you, nsa, can seize every phone record of every american. And thats just flat out unconstitutional. Federal courts have ruled that. And the notion that you are suspicious just because you use a phone is a noteworthy constitution and thats why congress is so upset about what the nsa did. So lets say this passes, i am some part of the government, the nsa and i want those records now, could i still go get the whole group of them from verizon which is storing them or do i have to say i want the phone records for this individual person . You would have to have a select search query to these phone companies. I see. I think its still a little too broad the way its written. The usa freedom act is better than the existing patriot act. I voted no because i dont think the limits go far enough. It comes down to the Fourth Amendment that is really clear. Basically unless the government gets a warrant and for years our government has not been doing that. The history here is in the 18th century, the colonists hated king george ii had suspended the necessity of getting specific warrants. There were general warrants in the colonies that allowed the british to just take everything in a house and it specifically general warrants, that was one of the arguments the colonists made for the tyranny of king george. If you want to have this massive surveillance of americans, you have to change the constitution. If youre not going to be able to do that, the nsa cannot be executing the Bulk Collection Program. We have seen how easily the surveillance state can kind of tweak itself to do what it needs to do or feels it needs to do no matter what the laws are on the ground. Do you have any confidence we will actually see genuine constraints imposed on what the nsa is doing . I think we should start from the bottom up and scrap the entire patriot act and rebuild it. Thats one reason i was against the usa freedom act. If thats the only thing congress can pass, it will be a step in the right direction, and at the end of the day its pretty simple, just follow the constitution. Thats all were asking our federal agencies to do. And if they dont, then its corrosive to democracy and it reduces trust in our executive branch and that is not helpful. What is your sense of where this debate has gone and where its going . It seemed for a while, the last few years, the polling reflects people, a lot of people are disturbed by some of the things the federal government has been revealed to have been doing. The fear around a renewed terrorist or sense theres a renewed terrorist threat has changed that point. Where do you think we are right now in terms of the public debate on this . My constituents in Southern California sent me here to fight for their privacy and Fourth Amendment rights. On this issue of balancing liberty and security its not even a close call because the nsa still hasnt been able to cite a single instance where this bulk collection has saved one american life. If you look at the court decisions, they say that theres no evidence this Bulk Collection Program has been effective and really is a mass surveillance of americans with very little to gain. And i think we need to start from the bottom up and scrap the patriot act and rebuild something that protects liberty and security. Representative ted lieu, thanks for your time tonight. Two major victories for gun rights activists in texas. 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President obama said he had a devoutly catholic man who made a difference in all he touched. Beau biden believed the best of us all. We swing our lanterns higher. Joe biden has suffered immense loss in his life. The elder biden took the oath of office as a u. S. Senator from the hospital at his sons bedside. Thats beau there. In 2012 Vice President biden delivered one of the most honest human speeches ive ever heard as he addressed those who lost loved ones. Here is the advice he gave them. It can and will get better. There will come a day, i promise you, and you parents as well, when the thought of your son or daughter or your husband or wife brings a smile to your lips before it brings a tear to your eye. It will happen. My prayer for you is that day will come sooner or later. The only thing i have more experience than you in is this, im telling you, it will come. I cannot fathom the kind of loss that mr. Biden is going through and hope the Vice President s wish for others that he so eloquently expressed comes as soon as possible for him. I want to take a moment to show you a photograph. Look at this here. Where do you think this picture was taken . Afghanistan, anbar province, iraq . Try phoenix, arizona, outside a place of worship while people were worshipping there. One of many images from friday night when protesters showed up, some armed like that gentleman, to protest against islam. If you look closely he at the gentlemen in full camouflage, he is openly carrying a machine gun and has a handgun strapped to his thigh. Arizona is one of 44 states known as an open carry state. Which means any law abiding adult can carry a handgun in the open. Some require a license. In texas its legal to carry rifles and machine guns. Last week the texas Legislature Passed a bill that will do that. They can carry them in belt or shoulder holsters. Open carry just passed in both the texas house and is not. Next destination my pen. Thats not the only gun liberalization. Texas lawmakers expanded the right to carry guns on campuses. They let them carry them on university grounds. The new legislation will allow these gun owners to carry concealed handguns into dorms, classrooms, cafeterias and other buildings on public campuses. Joining me is the texas state representative who was assigned a security detail. You need to leave now. Im trying to. You need to leave. Im asking to you leave my office. Im asking to you leave my state because you dont take your oath seriously. You need to leave my office now. Read the constitution. You need to leave my office. You need to leave my office. Leave my office. Get your foot out of the door. What are you going to do . Get out. Read the constitution. No, no, no. Read the constitution. All right, representative, good to have you here. Your reaction to what appears to be a victory for the same forces that have controversially, i think, organized to lobby you and your colleagues. Well, i think the campus carry is not as black and white as you may have described it earlier in the segment. I think the implementation of it is going to be left up to the local administrations, to the chancellors, to the president s of each university that i think will limit the places where people can conceal carry on university grounds. Ive been following this legislative session and it seems youve been preoccupied with a very big, drawnout fight about spending caps and the like, and a gun agenda, right, driven by the open carry activists who whatever theyve done that might cross the line has appeared to be, to me as an outsider as effective. It works. It scared a great majority of the house to vote in favor of open carry. Youre not wrong, chris. That tactic opened up the door to the Lieutenant Governors Office not more than a few days after the same gentleman wanted to attack us for treason. Its working. Theres a sort of interesting quirk here, that 44 states allow open carry. Texas is one that has a restriction on this. The open carry people say how can it be the case we here in texas have more restrictive gun laws than all of these other states. Some are more liberal and my understanding is the history goes back to not wanting to allow confederates to ride around with open guns and then after that a fear that africanamericans would be appearing with open guns. Theres an interesting history to this law in texas. A lot of the people you see in the clips use a lot of racist rhetoric in attacking me after the fact yet they choose to boot strap this point of view that open carry should be allowed because it was, in fact, instituted for racist purposes at the turn of the century or before. Its kind of an odd situation where theyre harkening back to those days in order to justify why we need it now. Do you think this will be a model for gun activists in other states since this relatively small but incredibly persistent vocal and at times intimidating group has been, as you said, effective in pushing this . Its unfortunate but i think it will and until we have leaders at the state level and im speaking specifically about the lieutenant government who has the spine to not allow folks like that in his office to even dialogue about it, once theyve been as aggressive and intimidating as this group was, were going to have this problem. I dont see why it wouldnt be duplicated in other states and for other types of legislation, not just this. I made the comment. To me its a lack of spine in my opinion. Thank you for joining us. Shocking data showing how many to me its a lack of spine in my opinion. Thank you for joining us. 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If that woman tries to mislead folks by accusing american Law Enforcement of shooting down young black men in the streets. As weve been covering recent Police Shootings of africanamericans in the protest movement that sprung up in the wake of Michael Browns death, people like bill oreilly argued it has made a problem. Examples of black men targeted are exceptions to the rule inflated by activists to score political points. A part of the issue is our reliance on anecdotal evidence. This country just doesnt collect good data on the number and circumstances of People Killed by police each year. You could tell me how many people, the absolute number, who bought a book on amazon. Its ridiculous that i cant tell you how many people were shot by police in this country last week, last year, the last decade. Its ridiculous. Journalists at two major media organizations are filling in the gaps. The post tallies up the people fatally shot already at 385 or more than two per day. Killed by police by gunshot, taser or under mysterious custody like freddie gray already at 467 for the year n. Both data sets the vast majority, more than 75 , had some kind of weapon on them. Overall the demographics are evenly split between whites and people of color. But, and this is key, when it comes to unarmed People Killed by police, both studies reveal the troubling racial disparity. The post found twothirds were black or hispanic. The guardian more than twice as many africanamericans as whites, 32 compared to just 15 of whites. Coming up next, two journalist who is worked on these groundbreaking studies and how they may change the way we think about policing in america. Take me in, into your darkest hour and ill never desert you ill stand by you yeah yeah. So, thats our Loyalty Program. Youre automatically enrolled. And the longer you stay, the more rewards you get. Great. Oh ill stand by you wont let nobody hurt you isnt there a simpler way to explain the Loyalty Program . Yes. Standing by you from day one. Now, thats progressive. Heroes charge Lightning Strike kiss lead your heroes in the hit mobile game download heroes charge now the vast bureaucracy spends on counting things, counts the average hours per week that american men spend on lawn care, how many women between the ages of 15 and 44 currently use contraception, thats shy of 62 . It even counts nut consumption among Nonhispanic White men, 42 ate nuts on any given day in 2009 and 2010. The federal government counts all those things yet not the number of People Killed by Police Officers every year. Joining us the National Reporter for the Washington Post be a Senior Reporter for the guardian. You have been covering Police Shootings and death in police custody, covering protests to them, and i think both arrived at the same conclusion we all have in covering this, we just dont know whats going on because the data is no good. Wes, maybe you can tell me how you put this together to fill in the gaps. I think we used very similar methodology the guardian used in piecing together these two databases. Initially what we all saw in covering these stories, there was no data as you pointed out, the government tracks all types of things but not the number of People Killed in part because Police Departments are not required to say to anyone when they have killed someone, many of them are not required to even report it at the state level much less the federal level. The fbi puts out every year is woefully inadequate, onlyof roughly 15,000 Police Departments are contributing to it. And so as we tried to do comparisons, as we tried to track something getting worse, something getting better, none of us could do it. The best measure right now is media coverage. In most cases if someone is killed by a police officer, some local media writes about it. And so you guys use a similar methodology. You comb through and find instances in which this has been reported in the media as owe posed to some official channel . Partly that. As wes says, local Media Outlets are a source for areas we dont find ourselves. Traditional reporting is needed. We found five people who were never publicly named. We found that shocking. We found five people, three in texas, two in california. They were just never reported. And they died in police custody. It was noted in reports that someone had died. They were never named. We think that just shows that these figures and the information about how these people died and who they were are sorely needed. I want to talk about racial disparity. You have people, a certain kind of skeptic who says, look, yes, you are focussing on African Americans but white people are shot by cops as well and also you would expect some disparity because the criminal Justice System is racially disparate in general. But what we see is a distinction between the broad amount of encounters, so in the case of the Washington Post shootings and then unarmed shootings, right . And that same disparity shows up and that is an unexplained disparity but for some kind of racial suspicion, racial bias, et cetera, right . I think what the figures show we need this data before we can have this discussion about whether person Certain Police forces are racist, black people, hispanic people are targeted. Theres no way this debate could be had if there arent official data, official statistics on who and why people are dying. Having covered this, did those numbers surprise you the disparity between the sort of overall racial breakdown of people who were shot by police and those shot who were unarmed . They didnt quite surprise me, certainly stuck out to me. One of the top line numbers here and it seems to underscore and validate the concerns. As john said without the official data, were trying to do the best we can doing through traditional reporting means relying on other reports. What we know is were missing some cases. We know that. And without the official data its hard to do these comparisons. A secondary in terms of speaking to the racial disparities, one thing we also looked at was how these encounters were initiated and what happened immediately precipitated the shooting. The other thing we noticed in the if you were to compare the white armed universe to the black armed universe in more cases, a higher percentage of the cases, a white armed suspect is the shooting at the officers, engaging the officer while a black or hispanic is more likely to be running away even if they have a gun or knife. Those are impossible to do at the highest level unless we have real official data we can really rely on. What also stuck out to me the vast majority of people are armed, right, in these cases, and it is a reminder, right, that police in america encounter lots of people with guns. All the time. We are obviously focusing on the people unarmed for very obvious reasons and legitimate reasons, but it is a reminder about the percentage just the amount, the prevalence of guns in america and how often Police Officers counter them. If you look at our database, at the stories of the people who died, some of them are pretty bad guys. There are armed people, there are massive drug operations going on that Police Encounter where they are shot at, are facing these dangerous situations, if they are going to be armed, then theyre going to fire back. I think there is a lot in these databases to like. Why wouldnt they want the general public to know that the vast majority of people who are killed in encounters are armed themselves. For obvious reasons the cases that catch the eye, that catch the attention of the media, are cases where people were unarmed, controversial cases where the Law Enforcement officer was not identified. This data could tell the police side of the story as well. We want to just know, right . We want to know what the facts are, whatever political prism they could run through. One thing for your finding is 24 identified as mentally ill. This is something that keeps cropping up in cases of people both armed and unarmed where you have someone who is very clearly mentally ill and its heartbreaking independent of whether its justified in the moment or not it feels like were failing these people. Of course. Thats, in fact, something Many Police Chiefs have pointed out to me over the course of months ive talked with them. The idea how they are the types of people theyre having to deal with, the social ills, drugs, mental illness, in fact, according to our findings so far this year police in the United States have killed more suicidal people than they have homicide suspects, and it tells you, it talks about the people Police Officers are interacting with and it may be how the training could change or potentially what types of preparedness they need before they enter these situations. Great thanks. That is all for this evening. The Rachel Maddow show starts now. Thanks for staying with us this hour. Happy monday. We have a lot a lot coming up tonight. We have a cops and robbers style caper that is under way in at least one state, maybe a couple of states. We have a Surprising Development in the already really surprising former speaker of the house Dennis Hastert case. We have some historic cultural and civil rights news to talk about tonight. Some astonishing news about Bernie Sanders blowing everyones minds in a good way. So theres a lot going on. A lot coming up on the show tonight. We start tonight with what i like to think of as our little organizational management problem. The known universe of 19 major candidates or potential candidates for the republican nomination for president. This is our working this is not even a list. Its our working thing we put up on the wall during the day to