They deny all knowledge of ball tampering in last sundays game. Good evening. A crucial moment today in the g. O. P. 2016 primary. Two main mantles came face to face at a private meeting in Salt Lake City today. A meeting that was scheduled before he announced he may launch a Third Campaign for president originally it was to show respect, and a signal to donors and operatives to rally around the romney approved successor. Then mitt threw a curveball saying he may get in the race himself. The meeting between the two of themes stayed on the books. They have been extremely tight lipped about the details. Jeb tweeted a picture of himself at an airport. He was spotted making his way through baggage claim in the Salt Lake City airport. Were left with no choice but to speculate wildly about what happened when they met face to face. Did they play rock paperer scissors, best of three, to decide who gets to run . All in just obtained exclusive footage of the meeting. So i think we both agree the strongest candidate should run. And we both agree that the role of Vice President would be a compelling one. It makes sense for me. Youre already vetted. Are you kidding me . Plus you would be the first Vice President to serve under two successive president s. I would rather be shot in the [ bleep ] face than be Vice President again. So, robert, this was a scoop last night, what were the conditions under which it was created . It was issued from jeb bush to mitt romney after the november elections and romney, of course, accepted. It was seen as one of many meetings that bush would do between november and february of this year while he makes a final decision. But when we spoke today, they said that bush made this invitation thinking romney was not going to run. When romney started to make his move, romney just sat back. He knew bush would not cancel the meeting even if he was frustrated with romneys move, so this gives him an opportunity to see where bush stands politically, and he is interested in what jeb bush is doing behind the scenes. Mike murphy and romney met to talk through the race. So what is the end goal for each of these men as they go into the meeting today. They both want to believe they have a shot at the nomination. Romney wants to see where are jebs skills right now. Romney has reservations about bushs candidacy. Thinks he will have the same kind of attacks. He thinks his skills are rusty in terms of retail politics. Is bush the talent that everyone is talking about in those donor meetings. Is romney flirting with a bid . What does your reporting suggest about that . My reporting suggests that romney is not deterred by the press criticism. He is not deterred by the criticism of some in his own party. He is driven by a sense of ambition but history. He is talking about his father, George Romney behind the scenes. He thinks it is in his blood, part of his life to really seek the presidency. I think he was proven right. He knows there is a lot of criticism out there about a third try, but he is moving for a run. What was the senate for republican integrity i think started calling through the romney donor list, got a lot of people on the record, on the fence on if they would reup with romney or if they would go to jeb. That seems like that is the battle for big money donors. A lot of people who are romneys biggest donors. And the loyalists are going pretty quickly to his side, but romney still has a big base of people. And i think a lot of jebs support is soft. So what is coming next . What do you anticipate . Romney is giving a big speech in mississippi state. He knows he needs to run in a more formal way. If he doesnt he will be left behind by the donors. But you have christie, i will be with him in iowa. Scott walker, he thinks the battle between the establishment heavies will open a path to him. It is fluid right now. Theyre trying to test the amount of support they can get. There will be between 15 and 20 people running . Right, and the consequence of that is money. If you dont get a bounce to propel you through to the nomination process, you have to play long term. The invisible primary is lining up donors, a small subsection of the american electorate. Extremely wealthy, unrepresentative of the republican base. Yes, its to keep these ads going. Beauty pageants judged by billionaires. Thank you. In his first conversations, mitt romney said he is intent on running to the right of jeb bush. First of all, why . What would that gain him . Second it is remarkable to see the unself consciousness that he will try out for this campaign. There is a moderate mitt, then a severely conservative version. Now there is romney 3. 0, the more conservative. He picked a strange way of going about it. It is a human tragedy that the middle class in this country does not belief the future will be brighter than the past, or their kids future is better than their own. More people are in poverty in america than ever before. This week he is talking about man made climate change. He described him as one of the republicans that think the world is getting warmer. That kind of rhetoric managed to alienate one of his former supporters. Romney now into climate change. No really, maybe he will go back to being pro choice, is he kidding . There is something going on here that Jennifer Rubin and everyone else seems to miss. He is trying to get my endorsement. You know talking about stagnant wages and Carbon Emissions are the keys to my heart. So i guess this is someone that managed several iterations. It doesnt seem plausible that he will launch another one here, but if he does that it just reaffirms him as the image of someone willing to say anything. Yes, he certainly has a gift for reinvention. I have my doubts whether this will be a serious candidacy or not. Some of the things he are saying are clearly different points of emphasis than he has in the past. He was someone that was governor of massachusetts. They signed on to a regional cap and trade. There is a letter he talks about the fact of Carbon Emissions and climate change. It does strike me there will be a tipple point in that republican feel where it gets too embarrassing to deny it, and you might see some of these contestants edge out and say yes, this is what the science says. Yes, that is certainly possible. As governor romney took a few different actions to act on climate change, and at the time he was seen as somebody that was in that party but believing in it and willing to do something about it. He moved very quickly away from those positions when he ran very hard to the right in 2008. You know we saw in each of these campaigns he has run, he has been just attacked mercilessly by his rivals in the republican primary. It was mccain that had that great line when he was smiling and he said youre right, governor romney, you are the candidate of change. I dont know what is lets to say about that. Do people in romney world think she going to run again . The people in massachusetts, do they think this is a weird ego turn that he needs for his own sense of identity to reassert his privacy in this party and then he can hand off the baton, or he is really go going to do it. To be honest im not close enough right now to tell you, but as robert saw it, he long saw this as his destiny, and he is someone that genuinely wants to contribute. I think he is probably a little bored. He sees an opening here, he wants to stay in the conversation. I think he genuinely believes he will be a great president and his tight circle believes that. How far this goes . Is he taking it as far as he needs it too . Voters, activists, and donors i think these things have a momentum all of their own. They start thinking about running for president , they start out being like man, that doesnt seem like a pleasant enterprise. And then people around you are saying you could be the next president , and he has done through getting through the unpleasantness. At one level is seems sociopathic to want to do it again, but the other level, he is making a choice in the margins in a way that other people arent. And its so funny to be talking about this. These are the same conversations we were having the last campaign, right . He did it before, he is better at it, more seasoned, he brought his wife around. Ultimately were seeing some of the same rational for running that he did four years ago. The fact of it is that Everybody Knows the direction of the country will change anyway when obama leaves. Well, you got your chance, and now someone else is going to be president. So what is there left to, you know, to run on . I think the idea that voters respond to i was right. Tom brady mentioned isis in a news conference. Plus, Lindsey Graham wants to the republicans to finally, once and for all, define rape. I hope and pray that we can find a way to deal with the current conflict about definitions. And if we do not, shame on us all. Ugh. Heartburn. Did someone say burn . Try alka seltzer reliefchews. They work just as fast and taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. Mmm. Amazing. Yeah, i get that a lot. Alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. Enjoy the relief. Breaking news at this hour, the president of saudi arabia has died. He will be buried after the third prayer of the day, tomorrow, east coast time. Crown prince solomon automatically became king. 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The scandal over the allegedly deflated footballs by the patriots has now reached a level where the senates top democratic and the Vice President himself are offering their thoughts on it. And patriots coach Bill Belichick and Quarterback Tom Brady were forced to address the scandal that is dominating the conversation in the run up to the super bowl. Belichick gave an inordinately long statement. He said i have no knowledge of this, i have no knowledge of the footballs being deflated, go ask tom. Toms personal preferences for a ball are something he can talk about in better detail. And give more information than i would possibly provide. To tell you in my entire coaching career, i have never talked to any player, staff member, about football air pressure. That is not a subject i have ever brought up. After belichicks eightminute statement, he answered some questions, and answer he did in classic belichick style. I have no knowledge whatsoever of this situation until monday morning. I had no knowledge, no explanation. I was completely and totally unaware. I dont have an explanation. I told you everything i know. Nothing else i know. I have no explanation for what happened. I dont have an explanation for what happened. I dont have an explanation for what happened. I dont have an explanation for what happened. I have told you all i know about the subject from my perspective. After belichick was done doing his best Marshawn Lynch impersonation, this afternoon it was tom bradys turn to answer questions. He denied wrongdoing. He said he beat the colts fair and square and he would rather be talking about something else. Is tom brady a cheater . I dont believe so, i feel like i always played within the rules and i would not do anything to break the rules. I would not alter the ball. Are you comfortable saying no one did anything wrong . Yes, im very comfort saying is that. I also that i was in a locker room preparing for a game. I dont know what happened over the course of the process of the footballs. Everything will be fine, this is not isis, no one is dying. We will get through this and we can start preparing for seattle and get our mind focused. He said he likes footballs to be inflated to 12. 5 pounds per square inch. He talked to the staff who said they, too, had not altered the balls in anyway. Richard sherman, the outspoken seahawks player, says they may want to reevaluate the smack talking quarterback. People have a skewed vision of tom brady, that he does everything right. Joining me now is david zirin. That Brady Press Conference was one of the most bizarre. It seemed like he made a bet to see how many times he could use the word balls. Also, there was an incredibly polarized division of people watching. When i was watching this, i found brady to be so unconvincing, and after watching it i was convinced that isis was behind the deflation of the footballs. They are saying this is the biggest load of whowee i have ever heard. The patriots dont get past the test. If i said mitt romney slept with the queen of england, you would throw me off the show, if i said it was bill clinton, you would say word . This dynasty, and golden boy tom brady, and people think something stinks. What was also fascinating, the league tests the balls two hours before the game. At some point in the first half, it appears after a colts pick, one of their equipment managers got their hands on a patriots ball and said this doesnt feel right. The question becomes, what happened . When did they get underinflated . It seems like belichick threw brady under the bus. Some equipment manager at the bottom of the totem pole is going to take the fall for this. I would not even be boiling eggs at this point. Lawyer up. I would hope i dont have a mortgage. This is going to get kicked down the train. And Roger Goodell, the lovely commissioner of the National Football league, has a vested interest in defending the patriots. Everybody from bob costas to everybody was saying that Roger Goodell should not be the commissioner of the football legal. Bob kraft holds the biggest lease. So hes not going to say anything. He is not going to invoke the rule 17, clause two. And my goodness if he did that you may have to reemt even msnbc. If he did that, it would be wall to wall on every channel until the super bowl. I want to show you this chart. What that incredible jump from 2011 to 2014, what that represents, ahead. Ugh. Heartburn. Did someone say burn . Try alka seltzer reliefchews. They work just as fast and taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. Mmm. Amazing. Yeah, i get that a lot. Alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. Enjoy the relief. Huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Everybody knows that. 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They could not have sent a worse signal to the Pro Life Community and they are in ses sense getting us to ask the question why should we work for republican candidates. It all started a couple weeks ago according to the National Journal siting sources who were in the room at the time, that three women approached majority women Steve Scalise with concerns about the bill. They say that a woman does not qualify if she has not reported her rape to police. A week later, elmers spoke out about her concerns telling the National Journal, quote, we got into trouble last year and i think we need to be careful again about how we move forward on tuesday, they went one step further. I ask unanimous consent to remove myself as a cosponsor of hr36. Mr. Speaker, aask unanimous consent to remove myself from h. R. 36. House leadership remained committed to the bill has forecasted. They said were still planning on moving forward with the bill tomorrow. As a closed door on for instance meeting, he delivered that message to a room full of republican women and it apparently did not go over well. Marsha blackburn saying because of the rape cause they were fumbling over the sensitive subject. Ultimately leadership relented on the bill that was once a foregone conclusion. Tonight, breaking news, a Dramatic Development in congress. House g. O. P. Abruptly drops plan to debate abortion plan after revolt by g. O. P. Women and others. They may have scored a huge victory, but they made themselves a whole new movement of enemies. Erin, tell me what that scene was like. There was so much furry i saw in roulette. And how they felt over this apparent betrayal. There was certainly a lot of anger in the grass roots, but i think they know the 20 week plan will be back. This was an tremendous movement. This is a group of people that dont want to see any kind of rape exception. And by the way that rape exception reporting to the police is nocsious. Women say they will vote for it it is not a real show of unity. But i think they know ultimately they will deliver and this bill is their preferred vehicle for a direct assault on row v. Wade. Two issues, just quickly on the rape and why they keep having political problems with it. The philosophy that most of the base adheres is because they say the fetus is blameless, so philosophically their opposed to it, but this is why they end up doing this over and over. There is vast daylight between the activists that dont want to see any kind of exception and the average american that has internally contradictory views. They suddenly feel like they have more empathy when the circumstances were abuse. In 2013, when this bill was passed, people like Marsha Blackburn sponsored it with the exact same language. Im just a little skeptical of this uprising. There is going to be swing districts. North carolina is certainly a swing state. They have reason to be afraid. 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More than two dozen women have gone public with accusations against cosby, all of which he and his attorneys have strongly and repeatedly untilled. Some celebrities that have had relationships with him, including jay leno. He made a flatout statement that reverberated around the world. If was on tv, it would have been edited, but because someone filmed and put it out there, youre getting your news raw and unfiltered which i think is fantastic. Do you watch that cosby thing and think sad . Or do you think whats your take on that . It is a guy that was i mean, i dont know why it is so hard to believe women. I mean you go to saudi arabia and you need two women to testify against a man, here you need 25. Malcalmjamal warner said just as hard as it is to hear from women, its hard to watch my friend go through this. What people think about cosby, his career, and his body of work. Its something that fans are reconsidering. 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No. The dentist joke will not be as funny anymore, now it sounds like were making jokes about drugging people . Im of the belief that i have to separate the art from the man. Do i admire the man . No, do i admire the art . Yes. Where there is smoke, there is a gigantic blaze. Im not a fan of some of these others, a founding father, thomas jefferson, can you ever read the declaration of the independence again . He was a slave owner, he had an affair with a 15yearold slave just a historical side note, people were talking about that was a scandal at the time. Political opponents ran on that at the time. People thought that was messed up at the time. Just to bracket that. She was 15, historically. People gloss over things. There are other things, i think it is important to the game. I want to be specific here. Roman polanski, the victim was 13 at the time. He fled the u. S. He still makes movies, he is still widely admired as an artist. It was an accusation. He denies the allegation, he was never charged, but woody allen, a celebrated and beloved artist. Oscar winning actresses are in his films. And then r. Kelly, he was accused of some of the most heinous stuff. A sex tape with an underage girl. He was acquitted, but i feel like i remember when we were having the conversation about r. Kelly that were saying now with bill cosby, and he is just back. I dont think he is just back. He wants to be back will you bump an r. Kelly song at a party . Im an africanamerican, a song comes on i am going to leave the room . I remember watching the porno in a bronx apartment. And that girl looks five. But that gets to what tara is saying is you separate him. His body of work, he is a massively talented musician, and you just play those songs, but that is a struggle. I was at karaoke and someone was singing an r. Kelly song and i was like this is a jam. I remember saying to a lot of people when r. Kelly came out like the entire time, because i started as an entertainment journalist. Its cool for him to pee on little girls, youre cool with that . Why is it okay now . Youre saying the requirement is that you think of it when the song comes on. I think for me the requirement is that if youre going to talk about somebody even as a great artist, i think the whole story needs to be told. So he has been proven, but not Proven Guilty of a crime, i think the whole story should be told. But for everybody, not a double standard. Not like he is cool, but right, yes, the point is that like can you still watch that thing, consume that thing and not fill morally implicated. Thank you. A quick correction for something earlier in the show. It is the worst case of measles since 1990, not 1950 like i said earlier, now the Rachel Maddow show. President obama went to another red state today. He is making clear he is not planning on backing down. Republican congress be damned. After that speech, president obama basically opened the hatch on the lions den and jumped right in. From the state of the union first went to red state idaho yesterday. Where he lost by good margins twice. They not about to turn blue, but he was speaking an boise. Then he went to a redder state, kansas. He spoke in front of a crowd of