Contact the Judicial Police in paris. Earlier this evening, a Police Operation was under way northeast of paris with police on the ground and overhead helicopters. However, its not entirely clear what role that operation has played in todays manhunt. Police have identified three men as possible suspects in the mas massacre massacre. Two brothers previously mentioned as well as an 18yearold accomplice. The French Wire Service reports the youngest of three suspects has surrendered to police. Joining me now is Pete Williams. Its obviously been a very fluid situation today. Where do things stand right now. The best thing we know is theyre still searching for these two brothers. There season con conflicting reports about what happened to them today. But its quite clear now theyre on the run. Police are engaged in an allout effort to find them. They solicited public help. They describe them as armed and dangerous and asked for anybody in paris that knows where they might be. Anyone in france, anyone in europe who knows where they might be. Now one of the puzzling things about today, chris, is whether two or three people were involved in this attack. Tt french consider said there were three suspect, the two brothers and supposedly the 18yearold who turned himself in tonight. It still isnt clear what role if any the 18yearold played whether hes simply someone the french want to question because they think he may have information or what. So thats something that has to be sorted out. The second thing is that as i say, this has been fluid today. At one point, one of the french officials said that there had been an arrest then retracted it. Earlier today, two u. S. Counterterrorism officials told us that one of the suspects had been killed and that two were in custody. But obviously that information was not right. They said that they couldnt substantiate or confirm. It. And from what we know now, it appears to have been wrong. We know now theres two suspects theyre still looking for. Unclear what the third one, what role if any he played in this. And that will have to work itself out. A couple of other quick things, chris. Obviously the u. S. Is looking that the. They found no indication in looking at their intelligence streams that theres any connection between these two or three and anyone in the u. S. Secondly no indication in the intelligence that theres any warning that was missed. And finally, no plan by the u. S. To raise the terror alert level here because theres no indication of any plot to attack the u. S. All they know this was a oneoff basically aimed at that magazine because of its previous publications about the prophet. Pete williams thank you so much. You bet. Now lets go to bill neely who is live in paris tonight. And bill i imagine a lot of people up early this morning, a lot of sleepless nights in paris particularly for authorities as apparently this manhunt continues. Yes, chris. I mean, this is a city that is shocked at the worst terrorist attack in france in 54 years. A see fearful. There may be a massive man hunt around the country, but there are still two gunmen who, as pete said French Police are describing as armed and dangerous. But this is also a city that was defiant. There were tens of thousands out on the strees tonight to show their sol lairty with the journalists and with the magazine. The other development tonight is the names have been released of all 12 of the victims. And whats really striking is the ages of many of these journalists. The oldest was 80 years old. Another was 76. And he had received highest civilian honor. These were very well known journalists known across the nation. And french journal iss will be paying their respects here today. Tomorrow thursday is a day of national fourning and for three days flags across france will be flown at half staff. The manhunt is on across this nation for the two missing gunmen. Francois hollande calling for that day of mourning. Have there be routine updates from authorities as you would have a situation here in the u. S. , say the Boston Marathon bombing or the active shooting situation, there would be routine press conferences and updates. Will that happen in france . Is that sort of Standard Operating Procedure there . No. Far from it. There hasnt been a sing the French PoliceNews Conference so far. The French Police were very slow to confirm the names of the suspects circulating in french media and on social media for several hour. We dont know yet where there will be a News Conference and a news update from the French Police tomorrow thursday. Francois holland, by contrast the french president who is of course, is at historically low ratings in the poles, he went straight to the newspaper offices, spoke there and then addressed the nation on television tonight. And some of the stuff that people williams was saying earlier, i covered the london bombings ten years ago and the madrid brain domings this killed almost 200 people you have a lot of false leads. Thats certainly whats been happening here. Reports of arrests. Reports that u. S. Counterterrorism officials are saying that people have been arrested based on information they got from paris. A lot of this will clear and in the next few days it should become clear. But the man hunt for the two gunmen we saw but the manhunt is still on across this country. Thousands took to the streets in paris tonight. French officials raised the alert to the highest level following todays attack. The city wide manhunt began immediately after the deadly attack late this morning in paris. At 11 30 a. M. Local time in paris, a van pulled up in front of the local building housing a is asatirical magazine. When the attackers entered the offices, the gunman opened fire indiskrim innocently. They went inside the offices. There are so many dead. One of my colleagues is in a critical condition. The attack lasted just minutes. Meanwhile journalists and neighbors took refuge on the roof. Many scrambled on to rooftops to escape. What fear must have gripped them. Their phones captured the sights and sounds of the killers below. This was the day that militants brought terror to paris. Killed eight people. A guest in the office and a Police Officer. After the attack the gunman fled. Witnesses say the gunman yelled we have avenged the profete mohamed. They exchanged fire with police three times. Video shows a gunman killing an injured policeman who said no no as he was shot at close range. One carefully picked up a shoe before getting into a black car. They continued on to a paris suburb where they abandoned a vehicle and hijacked another car. Troy this eyewitness says the car came stopped here armed men got out on to the pavement and a threatening man had guns and what looked like a bazooka. They left and blocked everything. In total, 12 people are dead 11 are injured, four critical. The magazine had been a target for extremists for years. The publications repeated depictions put the magazine and its staff under the threat of violence for nearly a decade. In 2006 the magazine republished cartoons from a danish newspaper that sparked fury. The following year it published an illustration of muhammad naked. That prompted the french government to close 20 embassies around the globe but none prompted the people to stray from the magazines mission including the editor. Our job is not to defend freedom of speech but without freedom of speech we are dead. We cant live in a country without freedom of speech. I prefer to die than live life. His last cartoon eerily prophetic. The figure of the armed militant replies wait until the end of january before you get a gift from us. Today he was among those killed. Hours after the attack the charlie ebda website. Thought does not reply here. Death threats after he taught about darwin. You have an opportunity today to interview one of the surviving Staff Members of the publication. Who was she . What did she say . The person that i interviewed, chris, was on the staff back when they published the moment cartoons and wrote articles that were in that issue. She talked to me about former colleagues how they had lived under threat and how their lives had never been the same again. She told me about the paper and how it was a paper that defended secularism and challenged all fundamentalisms but was very staunchly antiracist. She called on people around the world to fight against insightment on the internet. But one thing i will never forget is what she told me at the end. They will not make us put down our pens. She talked about speaking with her former colleagues today some of whom were still in shock saying they were going to have an editorial meeting and they were going get an issue out next week or the week after. In terms of the way their lives changed in 2005 2006, they understood the risks. They understood the threats they were under. This must have cast quite a shadow over their lives for years before this day. And journalists and Free Thinkers across the world right now are facing the same risks. There have been Death Threats against a have prominent writer by a group. This simply has to stop. Today was what one al yearian cartoonist called the 9 11 of cartoonists. I saw a cartoon today from one who had been intimidated. Who drew himself with abobscene gesture. There does seem to be defiance among those who have been intimidated. Do you think we will see a backlash in france . I read something today written by a journalist in 1996. She also said one thing is for sure and that is that the pen will not stop. Im afraid of a backlash. Thank you so much. Thank you. Seems like many countries have gotten fairly good at defending against major terrorist attacks but not smaller scale scale ones. Why is that and is it even possible to do so . We will talk about that ahead. Why did a panel of 11 automotive experts. Name the Volkswagen Golf motor trends 2015 car of the year . Well give you four good reasons the allnew Volkswagen Golf starting at 17,995. Theres an Award Winning golf for everyone. You get sick you cant breathe through your nose. Suddenly. Youre a mouthbreather. Well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38 more than cold medicines alone so you can breathe and sleep shut your mouth and sleep right. Breathe right. scraping sound what are you doing . The dishes are clean. I just gotta scrape the rest of the food off them. Ew. Dish issues . 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And al qaedas branch in yemen instructed followers to kill Stephane Charbonnier in the form of a wanted poster in its online magazine with the headline, yes, we can, a bullet a day keeps the infidel away. Charbonnier was killed in todays attack. There are some slaters, these were attacks involving a small number of assailants using guns and little else whose actions did not require a high level of coordination necessary to pull off a larger scale mass casualty, a bombing like those in london or madrid. America and many other nations have appeared to develop a whole range of techniques to combat such large scale attacks. Something one man or a small group armed with a gun or even just a vehicle, that seemed a different sort of challenge. Joining me now is joint Terrorism Task force assistant special agent in charge don borelli. Lets start with what conclusion we may be able to draw from the individuals involved as they walked through the streets. Right. So this one seems like its a beth of an in betweener. Definitely more training, more sophistication that some of these oneoff lone wolves like we saw in australia and canada but maybe not the level of sophistication that we saw with a 9 11 attack or a london bombing, for example. They did seem to move very methodically, tactically, seemed like they had a good idea of where they were going, may not exactly but probably had done some reconnaissance. I would imagine that there had been reconnaissance done on this building, probably had some information from the inside, and the fact that they were not deterred by police. I mean, most people that are going to attack a soft target will see a police car and say, lets back off and find a different soft target. Right, right. They went ahead and went for it even knowing that they were likely going to engage police activity. And Exchange Fire several times with police, murdered a Police Officer up close in cold blood. What is the investigative trail you follow if youre the french authorities right now . I mean, obviously, you have to find them. Thats the most important thing. Youre going to want to build this whole timeline and this network. Youre going to not just the people involved in this attack but who are their circle of influence, their friends, their families, where did they travel . It appears they did get some training. Where did they get the training, where did they get the weapons, who financed them . Was this their idea, was it somebody elses idea . A lot more questions than answers right now. But these are the pieces of the puzzle that the french with the help of the rest of their allies are going to want to put together to figure out are there more of these out there . Is this one cell of many or is this a one off . We have seen these attacks, shes sort of lone wolf attacks or even in the boston bombing situation, which again the suspects named here, two of them are brothers, of course that was the case in the boston bombing, in which you have essentially disaffected violent militants who plot internally and pull something off, right . Is it the case that essentially the most we can hope for for a sort of Security Apparatus is to prevent large scale mass casualty events but that is an order of magnitude to prevent Something Like this on a soft target with a small number of conspirators if thats what it proves to be . It is very difficult. You strive to have 100 . Of course. But the reality of living in a free society, especially one where guns are available, and you dont even need guns. Canada, one individual who apparently still slight ambiguity, used a car. So whatever. If somebody is really that committed to an act of violence even if its just a one person against, you know, a Police Officer or whatever, then its very, very difficult to stop in a society where, you know, we have freedoms and openness and freedom to express, you know, our opinions and all these type of things. We dont live in a police state. Thats the price we pay. Unfortunately, sometimes is that we cannot find everybody thats committed to an act of violence. There are some reports indicating that well, there are several reports indicating that one of the suspects involved here was previously convicted on charges of attempting to join the insurgency in iraq, that he actually served time. What is your knowledge, the degree to which the Law Enforcement officials have a handle on, you know, people that have connections to networks that might produce such an attack . Again, its very difficult because once somebodys in the system and then they get out, youre looking at, do you follow them 24 hours a day. You cant. Thats very, very resource intensive. Also, presumably theres a judicial argument, someones convicted and they served their time. Exactly. But you try to build a network of intelligence that would be people in the community, people that kind of are your eyes and ears. There are other technical surveillance. Theres a lot of things you can do, again, all within the legal framework. How long can you i mean, i have to say, surprised that they have not been apprehended as of yet when you consider the amount of resources that are being thrown as Something Like this. How long can you imagine plausibly they will be able to stay outside . With todays social media and crowd sourcing the information, i think not all that long. Maybe they are in custody. I guess theres ambiguity about what the official status is. But once the names are released and people say, i know that person or ive seen their pictures. Ive seen their picture. Like we saw in boston, it was very soon after the photos were released that the information was flooding in. And thats likely whats happening right now in france, if in fact if theyre maybe not already in custody. Don borelli, thank you very much for your time. What seems to be a nearmiss terror attack here in the u. S. The allnew nissan murano. Nissan. Innovation that excites. Sunday dinners at my house. Its a full day for me, and i love it. But when i started having back pain my sister had to come help. I dont like asking for help. I took tylenol but i had to take six pills to get through the day. So my daughter brought over some aleve. Its just two pills, all day and now, im back aleve. Two pills. All day strong, all day long. And now introducing aleve pm for a better am. Not all toothbrushes are created equal. 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Yesterdays attack happened in broad daylight while volunteers were working inside a local chapter of americas oldest civil rights organization. Although it is not yet known if the motive behind the homemade explosive was a hate crime, the fbi is quoted as saying we believe it was deliberately set. A hate crime is one possibility. If the attack does in fact turn out to be an attempted act of terrorism or a crime, it would not be the first time the naacp has been targeted. In 1989 what was described as a tear gas mail bomb attack, the naacps atlanta offices injured eight people including an infant. And of course theres medgar evers to became the first field officer in mississippi who was assassinated in 1963. Congressman and civil rights icon john lewis said im deeply troubled by the bombing in colorado. It reminds me of another period. These stories cannot be swept under the rug, naacpbombing. Jesse, what is the latest as of this hour . We still dont know too much beyond what the fbi said yesterday. I spoke to an fbi spokeswoman this morning who basically said that they werent ready to release any new details in the case. I was down there this morning at the naacp office and at the barber shop, that building, the federal investigators were gone, all the evidence had been taken away. And except for some minor damage to the building you wouldnt really know the attack actually happened. Did anyone see this happen when it happened . And is that how the description of the person of interest came about . Yeah. I mean, its unclear if there was a direct witness to the actual explosion. What i was basically told was that there were some neighbors that saw this person of interest fleeing from the area after the explosion happened. But this happened in broad daylight. A really nice day down in Colorado Springs. This naacp office is not in a strip mall, its in a small community, theres lots of people around, lots of people heard the blast. Is the understanding that the item that ignited was placed next to a gasoline can, the can was there as an improvised explosive device intending to create a much larger explosion . I think thats what the fbi has been alluding to, but again i think its really important to mention that the fbi hasnt definitively said that the naacp was the target of what appears to be an intentional explosion. There was this barber shop there. I spoke with the barber today. He said, i have no enemies. Theres no way this was me. The overall feeling is that this was targeted at the naacp, but i think its important to mention that there hasnt been official word yet saying that the naacp office there was the direct target. We should also say the naacp itself has been relatively cautious about all this. 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There are conflicting reports at this hour on whether french authorities currently have two of the suspects in todays attack in their custody. Earlier in the hour, Pete Williams told me he heard from some u. S. Officials that one of the suspects had been killed, the remaining two were taken into custody. While other u. S. Officials are saying thats not what theyve been told. French authorities wont say. Theres reports that reporters on the ground all night said there were no shots fired, no signs of a suspect killed or arrested in reims outside pairs. The afp, the French Wire Service reports that the youngest of the three suspects has in fact surrendered to police. All around the world tonight people have been taking to the streets to show solidarity. Holding signs that read je suis charlie, i am charlie. In iron where journalists are holding a vigil. So charlie can live, three Major Media Companies offer equipment to the remaining staff so Charlie Hebdo can continue to function after eight journalists were gunned down this morning. Cartoonists around the world have been responding to the deaths of some of their most prominent colleagues as only they can. Theres this cartoon from david pope, retweeted nearly 60,000 times and counting. This one posted to unofficial Facebook Page of banksy. Or this, arms with a cartoonists tools. They find themselves in the cross hairs of the institutions and the individuals they ridicule. Perhaps most famously the controversy in 2005 and 06 over danish cartoonists depicting the prophet mohammed that set off Death Threats against the artists and others. Even now cartoonists are coming under threat in places like turkey. Theyve been cracking down. Pulitzer prize car soonist and the president of the board of directors of the Cartoonists Rights Network international joel pett. Your reaction to todays massacre . Hi, chris. Well, any of us who have been fortunate enough to meet cartoonists from around the world, go to cartooning confabs as i have been in asia and africa and even in soviet era russia have recognized that this is a tribe of really likeminded kindred spirits. And it transcends nationality and even political ideology. We just like each other. And, you know, we share the same sort of soul searching laments about the human condition on good days, and on days like this, its just pretty tough to take. The phenomenon of cartoonists finding themselves as subject of threats is more widespread than i think you might or folks might imagine. The danish cartoon controversy was the most publicized, but in your role, the organization you serve on the board of, i mean, this is something that happens across the world every day. Yeah, it certainly is. If you look at cartoonist Rights Network internationals website, youll see that we have clients all over the world and this happens on a very small scale, of course, so it doesnt make headlines all the time. Usually not from terrorists, but at the hands of their own government, who, you know, intimidate and otherwise try to control this kind of free speech that is uncontrollable. What is it about the medium that makes it so feared and powerful . I mean, were having youre seeing people were having internal debates over whether well show some of the more offensive or provocative cartoons. Nbc news has decided we should not as have other networks. It packs a punch that mere words or monologues dont seem to. You know, thats true. I think part of it is that its difficult to respond to ridicule and satire. I mean, if somebody draws you like a turtle, the way i do our senator mitch mcconnell, you just cant write back and say, im not a turtle. And its hard to respond to humorous satire and ridicule, and if youre smart you just go along with it, and if youre not, you try to stop it by force, which unfortunately happens all too often. Is there a sense tonight amok among the tribe you talked about of collective grief, collective solidarity and what steps to take in defiance of this . Well, certainly there is. And as you said earlier, the only thing we know to do is draw more cartoons. But the pen may be mightier than the sword in the long run but there are certainly days when it sure doesnt feel like it for right now. I think everybody shares the same sort of feeling of helplessness. For me, and i cant speak for the rest of the cartooning world on this, it is things like this are a wakeup call to not waste the opportunity that we have, any of us fortunate enough to have a platform in this country or anywhere else, to draw satire, need occasional reminders, not like this, of course, but that i hate to call it a Serious Business because clearly it isnt, but there is some obligation to, if youre going to be a provocateur, to provoke the right people and the right institutions for the right reasons. So, you know, little as that might be, thats what i take away from it. The idea that theres a kind of in this satirical enterprise, a sort of solemnity to the actual weight that you bear in doing something thats as meaningful and powerful that it is that people kill over it. Yeah, its hard to fathom that. You know, for all of the International Incidents that we have at cnri tried to mitigate, there are very few of them in this country. And i think its a combination of the fact that, well, first of all, the corporations have done a pretty good job of silencing the cartoonists simply by laying us off, so much more civilized, but secondly and more seriously, i think that we dont take the kinds of chances, publishers and editors, cartoonists will, but publishers and editors in this country dont take the kinds of chances that some others do around the world. Its impossible really to imagine the New York Times or the wall street journal, neither of which even run political cartoons or usa today which, to their credit, do, really taking on something that had a real cutting edge possibility of provoking, you know, something big. Yeah, its hard to imagine a large american publication that would be running precisely the cartoons that were being run in this publication which we should note had a relatively small circulation. This was not le monde. Yes, this was a satire journal, not a large daily, but even le monde runs page one editorial cartoons by jeanclaude plateau against the jihadists. It takes guts to do that. If todays attack on the offices of Charlie Hebdo were in retaliation for the publications representation of the prophet mohammed, what does that mean for the future of free speech . Ill be joined by a Panel Including someone whose father was threatened in his home home after speaking out against fundamentalism and terrorism. Boy once upon a time, there was a nice house that lived with a family. One day, it started to rain. The house tried to keep out all the water, but water got inside and ruined everybodys everythings. The house thought she let the family down. They just didnt think it could happen. They told the house they would take better care of her. Always. Announcer protect what matters. Get flood insurance. Todays bloody attacks in paris come in the context of a long running debate in france europe, and across the world about the right to offend what free speech and satire look like. In an age when media is global. The barbarity of what happened today has me reconsidering some things i used to think. More on that ahead. At the exception of some new alkaseltzer plus day powder rushes relief to your worst cold symptoms plus chest congestion. [breath of relief] oh, what a relief it is. The Volkswagen Golf was just named motor trends 2015 car of the year. So was the 100 electric egolf, and the 45 highway mpg tdi clean diesel. And last but not least the High Performance gti. Looks like were gonna need a bigger podium. The Volkswagen Golf family. Motor trends 2015 cars of the year. Jihadi supporters on twitter, the muslim worlds condemnation of todays attack in paris has been more or less unanimous. Organizations alike denouncing the shooting. At this point the attack appears to are been retaliation for the satirical magazines representation of the muslim mohammed. If that bears out, this is a stick of dynamite thrust into what is a deep and dangerous fault line running through france, europe and the world. What constitutes legitimate debate in an era of global media, when something published one place is something published everywhere. At a time of heightened tensions of identity and security in europe, like the isis beheadings theyre crafted to play into the worst fears of the jihadist threat. Every bit as barbaric as you have been led to believe and theyll come for you. When i first heard about the murders at the magazines office, i remember the controversy over danish cartoons mocking the prophet mohammed. At the time i thought those cartoons were stupid, offensive and many were racist. If i were running a magazine i wouldnt publish them nor offer praise to those who did. They seemed to be a pointless prank. 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So why am i still thinking about this . How are you . Aleve, proven better on pain. Welcome to the most social car weve ever designed. The allnew nissan murano. Nissan. Innovation that excites. Were back. Joining me now michael moynihan, of the daily beast, karima bennoune, author of your fatwa does not apply here. Her father was the subject of Death Threats after he taught about darwin. And arsalan iftikhar, Senior Editor of the islamic monthly. All right. Let me start with you. What is your reaction to today . And does what happened today change your the prior believe beliefs you had yesterday about speech, offensiveness, violence and intimidation . Im completely horrified by what happened today. And like so many people of muslim heritage around the world, i do, want to say, i am charlie, in arabic [ speaking Foreign Language ] and in french [ speaking Foreign Language ] this has confirmed my belief that muslim fundamentalist movements are one of the major human rights threats we face around the world and we have to defeat those movements. What does that mean, though . What does defeat mean . It means first going after and discrediting the ideology that motivates them. It means exposing their terrorist atrocities. Unfortunately, what happened today has been repeated across majority regions of the world. It reminds me of an attack in algiers in 1996. So it means exposing the way theyve victimized so many civilians including people of muslim heritage themselves. It means, in the case of the armed wing of these movements weve seen operating today, it means dismantling and taking apart and taking away the funding from those movements. And i think part of what it means is that people of muslim heritage around the world have a responsibility to speak out against these atrocities, against the movements that carry them out, against the apologists for them. We have a responsibility to be as courageous as the people on the frontlines. People today are speaking out in places like algeria, even somebody from sudan signed a petition in support of the journalists at Charlie Hebdo. I want to show you an image that people have been talking about this magazine and ive heard the phrase, equal opportunity offender. Heres one cartoon. At one point they sort of found themselves condemned by from rabbis, catholic priests and islamic clerics. And there are going to be people today, tomorrow, friday night on bill maher who basically say, well, look who they offended everyone, they went after jesus, they went after catholics, they went after jews and its only the muslims who react violently. What are you going to say to the people who are going to and are saying that right now . Chris, i think its important to keep in mind that the acts of three murderers, gunmen in paris, france, do not equate to the acts of 1. 7 billion muslims on the face of the earth. Its important to keep in mind that the 2005 danish cartoon, the fire bombing at Charlie Hebdo headquarters in paris, were in 2015 now, a lot of these cartoons are not even new. Its important for free speech advocates and First Amendment freaks around the world and in western and eastern societies to stand up in solidarity against any sort of violence perpetrated against people who are just trying to exercise free speech. We all know that free speech is not absolute. You know that theres no western liberal newspaper on the face of the earth that would publish antisemitic cartoons and rightly so for understandable reasons. When it comes to islam and muslims, this sort of conflation in terms of the need for muslim public intellectuals and leaders to come out and condemn, obviously which we have today still remains large because we want the rest of western societies to know that were part and parcel of our nations. One of the 12 people who were actually killed, the 42yearold policeman. Thats right. Who was gunned down on the sidewalk was actually a muslim. Right. So were as much victims in this as anybody else. And you know, we are horrified and saddened by the tragedy today. Michael, i think of you as kind of a maximalist on this. I think you and i probably have very different views of the decision to publish the danish cartoons. You thought they were affirmatively i even published them, too. On the website i ran in sweden after a website in sweden was shut down for publishing them. My feeling today is a very good post if it turns the out if a large enough group of people is willing to murder you for something, then saying that thing actually turns out to be something that needs to be said. But there is also the case of this question sort of offense for offenses sake. And i guess what is your thinking about this . I mean, i cant question their motivations. I dont want to go around saying that Charlie Hebdo and fleming rose in denmark didnt, i know fleming rose, but did you do it for the right reason. I hear this a lot today that Charlie Hebdo is a left wing, its a left wing, i dont care if its a right wing. Nobody deserves to go to jail, to be blown up, to be shot for these things. I do make a few points, fantastic intro to your first guest, its right to say, as everyone does say ad nauseam but not all 1. 7 billion muslims are terrorists. Lets flip that here. Not all 1. 7 billion muslims are offended, by the way. Many in the muslim world, many liberals in the world who are muslim are protesting against this and against censorship, too. It does get inverted. The assumption of offense can be stereotyping as the assumption of extremism. Absolutely. And the research that i did on muslim opposition to fundamentalism, i interviewed a wonderful arts promoter in lahore, pakistan, and he said to me sitting in lahore, this is somebody whose own festivals had been attacked, he said if the prophet mohammed would have seen these cartoons, they would have had a laugh. Muslims can appreciate satire. And we have to defend the right to blaspheme, which is different than the right to discriminate, which i absolutely oppose. Do you worry about what tomorrow and the next week and the next month looks like in france and around europe as the backlash to this grows . In germany in the last few weeks there have been 17,000 people showing up at antimuslim protests all around the country. This is only going to exacerbate that. There are reports that show the gunmen were screaming things like, we are avenging the prophet and theyve done nothing but disgraced the prophet. The prophet was insulted many times in his life and never once did he kill anybody in retribution for that. This is completely devoid of religion. This is pure mass murder, plain and simple. It doesnt matter the nationality or the religion of the perpetrators, this is a crime against humanity. I would say this, whether its devoid of religion or not, we dont def shouted about the prophet. It was meant to do something very specific, which is create retribution and to intimidate people who are engaging in speech. That is what has so brought people out of the woodwork across the world, across a lot of faiths in opposition to it. I think thats the backbone of this is in very, very radical reading of islam, but it is a political ideology. This doesnt surprise me that this happened, unfortunately. I think the political fallout from this is very worrying because the party in france is vacillating between the biggest party, same thing, danish peoples party. Thats the story to sort of continue. Its a depressing end. Thank you very much. Thats all in for this evening. Rachel maddow show starts now. Thank you very much. Thanks to you at home for joining us for the next hour. We do actually have breaking news right now about the search for the three suspects in the paris massacre today. Nbc news Pete Williams says he is hearing from french authorities now that the youngest suspect of the three suspects has surrendered to french authorities. The French Wire Service is also reporting this, this is breaking news. Were just getting word of this right now. Were going to go to nbc news justice correspondent Pete Williams to figure out whats going on with this latest information. Pete, what do we know