Guest tonight, legendary actress Gloria Steinum. Just over a half an hour ago, an unmanned rocket took off from virginia and e and heres what happened. And we have liftoff. Emissions with isf. About 108 . Nobody was injured in the explosion, but there are reports of property damage. The rocket belonged to orbital cyber organization. They have 1. 9 billion contract for eight Cargo Missions through 2016. This was orbitals Third Mission to resupply. There are six people currently on board the spaceation and the rocket was carrying 5,000 pounds of equipment for them. None of the supplies on board were urgently needed. Hundreds of people were watching from the ground. Heres what it looked like six seconds after the response. Nasa is characterizing what happened as a catastrophic anomaly, but theres still no word on exactly what went wrong. Joining me now on the phone, derrick pits. Derrick, tell me what kind of rocket this was and how routine are these kinds of launches . How often do they happen . And how often do they happen without incident . Chris, this is basically a standard, liquidfuelled rock et, hydrogen, liquid oxygen, probably, fuel and oxz diezer. These kind of launches are actually fairly common place. Its like launching a satellite like this one was doing in supplies through the International Space station. The commercial entities have been very, very good with their record so far in launching at the International Space station. This is a major policy change. Nasa used to do all of this themselves. They started opening it up for private biddings. When did it happen . You just said, up until now, it appears as if its gone fairly well . Yes, it has gone fairly well. Nasa has been working on this for at least the last five years, trying to move some of its operations out to commercial corporations to handle this easy resupply work, in a sense. When i say easy, i mean routine kind of operations of just launching payload. Weve been doing a lot of that for the last 60 years in the American Space program. And as an Unmanned Mission just sending supplies and equipmented, that is fairly routine. But nasa has been pushing this off, opening the doors for commercial operations to handle this kind of work because it can be done fairly well by these other companies. It doesnt reduce the risk, though, of what can happen when something happens when an engine component or Something Else in the rock et fails. So, obviously, were familiar with the sort of catastrophic, tragic examples of rock ets that have not that have failed to launch over nasas history, that have cost the lives of astronomers. Have there been a series of unmanned rockets that have failed to launch . Is that something that has happened over the years . Oh, sure. Ive met rock ets that have failed to launch a number of times. All of the spacefairing nations have had rocket failures because this is a very, very difficult business. The rock ets are very, very complicated. The pressures that theyre using, the temperatures of the fuel and the oxidizer, all of those things are right at the limits of how engineering can behave. So for every country in the world thats doing some space fairing, theyve had some issue with unmanned rockets. Occasionally, every once in a while, theres a risk of a failure happening. So theres always a chance that something could fail, although the engineers work extremely hard to minimize those risks and keep that from happening. Derek, just quickly walk me through. The basic principle here is you have a lot of very combustible fuel packed in a tight space thats burned very hot to get that thing up and out of the at mos fear, right . Yes. And because you have that, the pressure and the combustibility is so high, that when we have something go wrong, as you see, it explodes . Yes, that is the case. You have the future. You have the oxidizer. When you mix the two of them together, thats what you get. The explosion. The exhaust is what provides the action of providing the reaction of carrying the rock et out into orbit. Its the controlled mixture of the oxygen and the fuel, the emission of which creates the thrust that lifts the rork et. When you think about it, its sort of remarkable that we were able to successfully pull this off is always my thought when i see Something Like this. Derek pits, thank you, sir. All right. Coming um. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is in the state of maine tonight and so is nurse he set in quarantine. Tonight, he is not backing down, neither is she. Dont go away. E e weve got lots more show ahead for you. You definitely need to be here, too. Representing the democrats third chance in four years to get rid of scott walker and deal with what could be a debt blow. After surviving his two very close races, walker is now polling neck and neck with terry burke. Hes been claiming a lack of closely eness in the race on ad spending. Waux e walker just got a lastmight be e minute financial boost. So this time, he made a 650,000 contribution to the Republican Party of wisconsin. On that very same day, reported receiving a 450,000 contribution. What a coincidence. Today, he visited maryland, maine and rhode island. When we win, we get a chance to govern when we get a chance to govern, we blow away all the predisposition that we may have. Were a group of folks, men and women, who can get things done. Oh, we have great governors all over this country who have shown they can get things done. At this point, according to Gubernatorial Campaign spending a total of 380 million on ads, even more than this years supercharged senate races. Meanwhile, the future control, the senate is still very much up in the air. And if you dont believe me, ask a robot. For instance, the New York TimesSenate Projection model, which theyve named l. E. O. And one of the things that l. E. O. Has determined is that the odds of all the current favorites actually winning one week from today is only 3 . In other words, the model is predicting it will be surprised. Thats how volatile this race is. One race favors the incumbent democrat. The Alaska Senate race would be an ease pickup race for republicans. But according to steve bernanke, those could the e turn the race for the senate upside down. Well, thats right, chris. The keyword for the entire map this year is volatility. The keyword is mystery. There is more range of possibilities in alaska than were seeing in any other state. Chris was just talking about polling in alaska. Ill show you exactly what this means. This is 2 08. This is when mark first won his senate seat. This is the eave rang of all of the polls right before 2008. The key here was ted stevens had actually just been convicted of corruption charges in federal court. The average said this is a big blow out. The baggage is on its way to the senate. Then they held the election and look what happened. He goes from 11 points ahead in the average. It took two weeks to count all the votes in alaska and to declare a winner. The polls were basically ten points off in alaska in 2008. Now, again, as ewe say, this is a race all year. Frankly, democrats have looked at alaska, too, this year. And they say this is a state that republicans are going to win. If you look at 2008, when all of that favorable a convicted felon on corruption charges. They say, well, look, its a Better Climate in 2014. That still may be true. But if you look, the most recent poll, one came out last night, it put baggage ahead by eight points. The questions about all of these about how lively they are. Theres a poll in between that puts dan sul van ahead. So in both states, were saying maybe the democrats are going to win by a point. Maybe 5 00 republicans are going to win by two points. We really dont know. But what has changed here in the last few days with these new polls is there is now a real possibility that the democrats hold this seat. This is a very unpredictable state. We want to show you that if that were to happen, this is the battleground right now. You have ten states in yellow that are undecided. What we want to do is just plug in who is leading in the polling average in the states right now. For example, in new hampshire, the democrat could change. Louisiana is a little complicated. Colorado, again, close, with the republicans ahead. Kansas, you know, is a difficult state because of the independent, greg orrman running. Democrats assume that he feared caucuses with democrats. Lets say that happens and lets give that to democrats. Now, take a look. The republicans are sitting at 50. They need 51. If they got what they assumed they had all year, done, over, ball game. But if baggage holds on, then the republicans are stuck at 50. Thats why i want to point out quickly whats happening in georgia right now. Theres a reason why i left that blaeng. Michelle nunn has surged against the republican. If i had been showing you this yesterday, Michelle Nunn would be leading in the average. Today, one poll came out that put david purdue ahead of Michelle Nunn. Hes now a half a point ahead of her in the average. This one truly going back and forth. But the key is, with alaska, it doesnt matter. All sorts of possibilities open up here. Can you go back to georgia . I want to point out something key. Youll see there, 45. 8, 45. 3. Both of those notably below 50 pnt. Ga gae has a low, you have to get 50 pnt. Theres a plimted candidate here whos pulling about 4 . If they have a runoff, the runoff would be held in december. There was a court ruling that went against the state of georgia a few years ago that basically says in federal elections now, you have to go an extra month. So an impossible runoff in georgia and jab e january or an extended ballot counting in alaska. All of that is on the table. Heres the you will malt quirk. The run off in dpa ga is january 6th. The Senate Reconvenes on january 3rd. So, yeah, theres a lot of unresolved possibilities. Steve, thank you very much. Chris christie, as i said, head of the Republican Governors Association was on the campaign trail today, as was obama. Christie has been on the trail. This afternoon, christie heading to maine. Arriving in maine one day after maine native, kristi hickox one day after he quarantined her. A combative interview on the today show, he was adamant he made the right call. If she had never presented any symptoms, our policy would have been to send her back to maine and to quarantine herself at home in maine. She was tested. That testing was ordered by the cdc. After that interview, christie was asked about a possible lawsuit over his treatment of the nurse. Pardon me . Looks like youre going to have to defend this in court . Well, whatever. Get in line. Ive been sued lots of times before. Get in line. Im happy to take it on. You should bring out his scientists who are advising him on that. We know that we want to be led by the science. Thats whats going to keep people safe. Science. Not politics. Amber vincent was declared ebola free and sent home. And this afternoon, president obama took to the south lawn who hailed the Health Care Workers fighting the disease. We dont want to do things that arent based on science and best practices because if we do, then were just putting a barrier on somebody whos already doing important work on our behalf. Joining me now, executive director of doctors without borders. Dr. Craig spencer currently being cared for in bellevue here in new york city. Kasi h krirks kox, returning from doctors without borders. What is your sense as an organization of the risks your Health Care Workers face . And what policies are appropriate upon their return . Our doctors and workers and every aide workers working in west africa at the moment are, indeed, taking much risk in facing the spread of the Ebola Outbreak there. But the understanding of the risk is there is absolutely no risk of a healthy individual who presents symptoms. And etch though it would present sittoms, transmission is only possible with contact with body fluids. This is why we are against quarantine. We believe in appropriate measure. Its not based on medical science, as has been repeatedly said. And strict monitoring is much more appropriate in the circumstances. Do you fear that these policies will deter people from vol untiering to do the very, very courageous, necessary work that youre doing . Were absolutely convinced of that. Quarantining is an aggressive measure that tar gets individuals who are muchneeded in west africa at the moment. Quarantine is creating a false sense of security. Do you have data on you have hundreds of doctors working in west africa, is that correct . Yes. Around 250 . Well, we have 3,300 staff working as we speak. And 10 are international staff. So what is the transmission rate been like . You guys are in the heart of it. How often have you been faced with Health Care Workers who are getting the disease . Weve actually had 23 Health Workers along the more than 3,300 because weve had such a rotation, weve had several thousand people. I want to see that for people who are listening. Youve had 3300 people rotating through to care for people who are there the worst thick of the virus who are, you know, have bodily fluids that are highly contagious and only 23 have gotten the virus . 23 have been contaminated. Weve conducted a thorough investigation. 21 out of the 23 were nationals and investigations show that they were contaminated outside of the workplace. So weve had three workers who were actually con tap nated in the process of giving health care. And craig is one of them. That data is incredibly important. If youd like to consider supporting one of the organizations thats fighting for ebola, heres the number for doctors without borders. Amazing work. A single ember that escapes from a wildfire can travel more than a mile. That single ember can ignite and destroy your home or even your community you cant control where that ember will land only what happens when it does get fire adapted now at fireadapted. Org since the days of galileo, this church has tried to stop misprogress. But science and religion are not guilty enemies. This week, it was pope frances channelling dan brown basically thumbing his nose at the pontiff kal academy of sciences. Frances went onto restate what has been the Catholic Churchs strongly held view on decades of gods view on revolution and the big bang. He explained that believing these scientific theories is not at odds in catholics faith in god. Frances said the Big Bang Theory is not at odds in faith with god. Joining me now, the lead singer of the band bad religion and teaches a course at cornell university. I was reading your thesis which is about naturalism and god and evolution and the kind of tension there. What was your response to the popes comments . Well, it sounds like theres a lot of angry creationism in the world tonight, i think, from the comments that he made. You know, i understand and kind of simple these with what the pope is trying to do, which is admirable. Maybe hes getting more peopleover the faith interested in biology. But theres something about it that just doesnt sit well. It sounds like, as often is the case, hes trying to have his cake and eat it, too. Creationism, hes saying, that maybe we cant have the miracles to create all of these different species that are so obviously adapted to their environments. But hes still reverted to creation for the big bang. So, in a sense, hes saying evolution happens, but, also, miracles still happen. Well, this speaks to something profound about both ef evolution and the big bang. In both cases, they are when you understand them fully, fairly radical attacks on even the deepest notion we have on what causes a thing, right . There was nothing and then there was something, the big bang. There was nothing and then there was something in the case of life as it evolved. And in all of these cases, that place of nothing to something has been reserved for god. And the question is do you think hes correct in that those two cases can coexist. Well, heres the problem. There are two fundamental ways of looking at the world and these two ways are fundamentally different. The scientist of today, by enlarge, are what we call materialists mplt and we believe that matter and energy is all that exists in the universe. Thats not compatible with the religious view that says sure, these material things do exist. But, also, Something Else exists that is incorporeal, that is spiritual and that coms from the mind of god. Those are what we call dualists. And that dualist position has been around since classical times. And thats exactly what Charles Darwin overturned around 1859 and ushered in the modern way of looking at the world. You cant get more different than a dualest position and a materialist position. Theres no evidence that ive seen that suggests that the dualist position is real. You have a ph. D. Youve taugt pallontology. Do you have evolutionists who are faithful believers . Not so much colleagues, but there are people in ef lugsz who want, like the pope, have their cake and eat it, too. In fact, i can cite a title of a book called can a darwinian be a christian . This is an example of an evolutionary biologist that believes they can exist sidebyside. Dr. Greg, with our middle of show science break. Thank you very much. Well, thanks for having me and i appreciate it. You bet. Our latest installmented of all in, a really incredible story. You dont want to miss it. We definitely support immigration reform. But you need to go talk to tom tillis. Senator kay hagan the latest to find herself with reform immigration. Precisely in hopes of getting democrats like kay hagan reelected. As we found out in the latest installment of our all in american series, that reaction has led some to take matter into their own hands. I am not going to give up this fight until it gets done. As was mentioned, ive taken so far actions [ inaudible ] barack obama probably didnt think this is where hed be, facing heckling from immigration advocates. Thats exactly what im talking about. Ive talked about it every sipgle day. The president has pushed hard for reform only to see legislation blocked by republicans. At the same time, he has presided over two million deportations. It took george w. Bush two full terms to reach that milestone. The Obama Administration made a bad political judgment. And their bad political judgment was if they look tougher than the Bush Administration on deportation and on border security, the republicans would eventually join them in doing immigration reform. And the result of that has been disastrous. In what advocates say is the latest obama betrayal, theyve delayed immigration reaction until after elections, leaving millions facing an uncertain future. For over 80 days, rosa has been taking refuge inside a church in tucson, arizona. She saugt shelter here august 7th, the day before a deportation order took e vekt efect. Rosa has a husband and two young sons. They call tucson home. But all four were born in mexico and are here without documentation. In september, 2010, rosa was drive e driving to work when she said she became confused. She pent 60 days in an arizona detention facility. Rosa and her family wondered what would happen next. After nearly four years following Court Hearings and appeals, they got their answer. In june of this year, rosa received an order of deportation in the mail. She was to leave the country. Yet, according to the Obama Administrations own stated policy, rosa shouldnt be forced to leave. President obama announced that we shouldnt be deporting people just because we can. We should set up priorities of cases to use our resources in immigration court. Margo cowan says rosas previous Legal Council did not go through the proper channels to close her case. Clearly, her case would have been closed had her lawyer asked to do so. Rosa, instead, chose to seek sank chew ware. Many of them came here with help of the Sanctuary Movement. In the early 1980s, wars raging across Central America pushed hundreds of thousands of migrants north to the u. S. Mexico border. Arizona pastor john fife helped them get across. We did handson crossings with them. Crossed them through the desert and we would show them where the holes in the fence were and when the shift changes for borter patrol occur. Fife began to offer shelter to some of these migrants in the church he was pastor of. He went public with the efforts and declares the church a sank chew ware. They called it the Sanctuary Movement, a network of hiding places. The Administration Says they are here illegally. That aiding them is also illegal. Sm we had a movement that was substantial and in active public resis tense to the government. The reverend fifes churj has been under surveillance since 1982. They had microphones hidden in their jackets and tape recorded conversations with pastors and both sides of the border. Merely because the person has the garb of the clergy, which all of us respect, i dont think should put anybody above the law. The upshot of it was that they used those tape recordings to indict 16 of us in 1985 as a way to intimidate the Sanctuary Movement. Fife was indicted on conspiracy to smuggle and harbor illegal aliens. He was convicted, but didnt receive jail time. Fife says the Church Helped over 14,000 imgrants. The Sanctuary Movement is going to go on. And were going to continue to be the church. The Sanctuary Movement did go on. Alison harrinton is the churchs current pastor. I think when a lot of people think about arizona, they think of a particular type of politics or a particular type of person. I think the last few years, people have been talking about the arizona vacation of the United States as antiimmigrant laws and fear and sentiment has been spread throughout the country. But what people dont know is theres communities of faith throughout arizona, and, especially here in tucson, that dont adhere to this sort of politics. This kind of fear mongering. But given fear to rosa is a decision made by one congregation in one american city. There is no Legal Protection for her here in the church. The law applies that one my apply for an order staying the order of removal. And weve done that for her. And the government has declined to approve it. Until the government grants her a stay, rosa will continue to fight publicly within the confines of the church. But for millions of others, the but for millions of others, the wait in the shadows continues. We reached out to the federal Agency Charged with handling rosas case. Here else what they told us. The government says were not going to go break down her door and deport her, but were not going to offer her a stay that can ensure she wont end up in detention and pulled over again if she gets pulled over in traffic stop. Legendary feminist Gloria Steinum will be here with her take. Thats ahead. A single ember that escapes from a wildfire can travel more than a mile. That single ember can ignite and destroy your home or even your community you cant control where that ember will land only what happens when it does get fire adapted now at fireadapted. Org you know whats really worthless genera . Getting plastic surgeons to perform procedures that could have been done. That genera with recent photos of Rene Zellwegger sense the faux con troll ver sill, over her face erupted last week. I will talk about this and other dignities next. Just tell us your budget and the name your price tool helps you find a whole range of coverages. No one else gives you options like that. [voice echoing] no one at all no one at all no one. Wake up [gasp] oh you okay, buddy . I just had a dream that progressive had this thing called. The name your price tool. It isnt a dream, is it . Nope. Sorry you know that thing freaks me out. He can hear you. He didnt mean that, kevin. Kevin yes, he did keeping our competitors up at night. Now, thats progressive. If this election is anything like past gender cycles, the biggest among single women. In 2012, the gender drafted an historic high by voting in a two to one margin. 60 of voters cast their ballot for obama. The dropping turn out au among single woman e woman could happen next week. They are no less important during a midterm election. Joining me now is robin. Its wonderful to have you both here. Well, im a fan. Well, thank you very much. Were actually here to say thank you. Youre here to say thank you to me . Yes. Thats kind of you. For what . This is the the Womens Media Center, yearly, comes out with this, which is the status of women in the u. S. Media. People can get it for free and justdown load it. And theres everything you didnt want to know that is happening or not happening and everything you did. Theres very little praise in here, i want you to know. But there is this sentence. Our researchers pointed out one example of good stuff. Chris hayes, who sees the merts in setting race and gender quotas for the media, hayes must include two women of the four guests on his shows. So congratulations. And we will frame that. Well, thank you very much. It is the case that representations in media were the sameold, sameold, kpept for the fact that its fired by associate media. So you have, in some ways, this weird thing which has gotten fewer demock ra stiezed. And that can look a lot more like a patriarchal model. So is this what you imagined in the future 20 years ago . No. What did you think . Although its rather like the personality books of the eighth grade, you know, where you commented on people and said, you know, think shes cute . And the same thing is true of that and this computerized media. Because you dont manufacture oxitocin. What it is is were here together. We have some idea of how the other person is feeling. Its produced by oxytosin. People are free to be more critical online. Its like the democratization of cruelty in some way. Before, if they were going to send you death threats, they had to write to your publisher, if you were an author, like i am. Now they can sit home in their jammies with their doritoes and press send. But we have seen this incredibly sensitive ecosystem explode on line young women that have completely revolutionized. Its the way that the media operates and, in some ways, forced a lot of these operations. When you see the renay zelwegger thing happen, theres the backlash and then this amazing kind of feminist critique that rises up in response to it. Thats right. Among the things that we found in there that we not only analyze Classic Media and print and broadcasting and you name it. Including gaming. The whole recent scandal is gone. And its as patriarchal as any other place. Youre daying online media . Online media. Everybody had hope that it would open these, but with fight back. Yeah, because you dont need a ltd. Of money in order to get the wrd out. So the medium has both advantages and disadvantages. And what we have to focus on are two things. The message. What are we actually saying, never mind where it is. And is there a electronic divide thats growing in this world and in this country between people who are illiterate and people who are not and people who have electricity and people who dont. I still believe in its potential because there are millages in the global south where they dont have electricity, but they have cell phones. And it has been revolutionary. There is something about when you say low cost, right . You had to raise some capital. Originally, it was an insert, right . In the new york magazine. And then it went out on its own. Right. But we were subsidized by subscribers. Right. But a lot of the wm e women i know of my sort of cohort, theres a psychological cost they pay for being in the public eye. For being online. Yes. And its not an equal psychological cost. Thats right. And thats been very apparent. People have retreated from Public Meetings because there have been threats like the montrealmassacre from male gamers mplt. Its, like, a control of public space. They dont want women there. Particularly, what i call the high testosterone age group, 1825 white males. They dont want people of color there. They dont want women there. They are young, white males. That exclusion is getting harder. Yes, its getting harder. Robin is making a foray into this in a different way. She has become a radio interviewer par exlance. Its the Womens Media Center live. Its a sind kated Radio Program thats both at itunes and online at wmc live. Com but is also sind kated in 110 countries. I will tell you, quiet frankly, that my day is made when we have a guest in the little radio show that could and the guest is on you. And i think okay. We keep our eyes open. But talking content the way they do with you. And if you play your cards right, i think you might get her interview. Any time. Robin morgan, its just a tremendous pleasure to have you here. Thank you very much. Thank you. That is it on all in for this evening. The Rachel Maddow show starts now with rachel live from denver. Good evening, rachel. [ cheers and applause ] we are coming to you live. Good evening, thank you for joining us tonight. We are coming at you live from the great state of colorado. We are at a lovely place called the view house in denver with a lot of very, very attractive people. So. Okay. A funny thing happened on the reelection of president obama. The democrats held their nominations in 2008 if denver. When it came time for the election in 2008, candidate obama won the state easily, he beat john