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For a nobel prize. Malala becomes the youngest winner of the peace award. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york, im chris hayes. For a third night in a row, people are expected to be out on the streets in the st. Louis area profetesting the shooting a black man. Some demanding the arrest of Police Officer Darren Wilson following the death of 18yearold Michael Brown. There was a tense standoff last night between police and protesters following the shooting death of 18 yield miy myers on wednesday. Police say myers had a gun that he fired at the officer after an altercation, a charge his family disputes. And earlier today, his family identified myers on a store surveillance tape just before his fatal encounter with the officer. They reiterated, they do not believe he was armed. You can plainly see that he was not armed. His pants was almost hanging off his whole body. The same people who supposed to protect and serve theyre taking their lives with no explanation and then they try to justify and then they put them out there as animals like they were animals and they was these hard core criminals and it hurts so bad because you can say all of these horrible things about my son. But i dont know anything about the man who took his life. Autopsy results reveal myers was shot once in the cheek and six or seven times in the body, not in the back of the head, as some had suggested. That information was released in the midst of last nights marches, not in ferguson, but in t heart of st. Louis. Thousands are expected to flood into the area and are arriving as i speak. Earlier yesterday evening, saint lewis p. D. Appeared to try to avoid the same mistakes as ferguson police. Protesters blocked several intersections and chanted things like no justice, no peace. And united we stand, united we fall. At one point, an American Flag was burned. Around 10 00 p. M. , police started to shift their trackings part of the cycle escalation led to two weeks of unrest in ferguson in the summer. Police stood in line with shield, dressed in full s. W. A. T. Gear attempting to contain the protesters. Protesters continued into the night with pepper spray being used on some protesters. Hold on. Hold on hold on. Are you in or not . Oh, man. No. I need some water. The night ended with eight arrests, two Police Vehicles damaged and two broken windows. Tonight, the police are urging calm. And, so far, we are seeing calm, peaceful protest tonight. But it is early on a friday night as thousands of people are headed into the area for a protest thats some of the largest in recent saint lewis history. Joining me now, trymanine lee. Reporter earlier, through a cold, whipping rain, what started out as a crowd of dozens turned into a crowd of at least 200. They stood outside of the justice center, you know, proclaiming themselves there to ask prosecutor or demanding the prosecutor to step down. They marched around the block again, imbolden by some of the pressing through the wind and rain and theyre here to make a statement. You know, we have seen in the last few days because of the shooting of miyers, who, it should be said according to police, acowarding to what we look so far, it looks to be different circumstances than the shooting of mike brown. Police say theres a weapon that he fired at the officer. That has not been independently confirmed, as of yet, but i should put that out there. It does seem like the protest is sort of ignited across the region now. I mean, last night, you saw protests that looked like the ferguson protest in the very heart of saint lewis and neighborhoods in st. Louis that were far removed from the unrest in august. I think we may have lost sound. Tryma trymai try trymaine, are you still with me . Im back, chris. Reporter certainly, clearly spread beyond the borders into saint lewis. And even desz piet some of the fact that police say that they found a gun, that theres a bull et hole in the car in the direction of the officer, people here are still angry and upset that another young, black man had been killed. Part of this speaks to the distrust between the community and the police. And the anger among the core group of protesters, veterans say theyre not going to stop until their voice is heard across the country. Its Going National now. You and i were both there in august. It struck me then how organic the protests were but often how di disorganized they were. Does it seem more organized now . That theres folks that are experienced in doing this . Its twofold. Early, folks are unwielding and spontaneous. And then people started to organize and have specific goals and ideals and demands and even organizing under handsup united, to pull off this weekend of resis tense. But then, again, even now, its not as organized as we thought. Expecting thousands. We havent seen many people here yet. Even as i spoke, i got a text message that theres supposed to be a candle light vigil. Its still unwieldy because of so many people who have interests under this kind of umbrella of protests. Joining me now are the cofounders of protest united. The,orey, let me start with you, that was footage of you being pepper sprayed last night. Can you tell me the circumstances under which that happened late last night in st. Louis . No matter the location, ferguson or st. Louis, a peaceful protest turns violent and ugly by the arms of the police. We were peacefully protesting, walking down the streets on grand, walking passed arsenal. I believe i was attacked by the police. They walked out, Police Officers, some people wanted to have a verbal confrontation with them to verbalize, you know, their anger. And after that, the cars were already back there. They formed formations. And then behind us, they came out of cars and swarmed us. No warning. Pepper sprayed me probably within a yard. They started beating up people and was strategic to get people off of grand onto arsenal where the buildings and the trees are tall so they can do what they do, which is hurt peaceful protesters. Let me say this, tef, and ill direct this question to you because i was watching the live stream last night and i saw you on it. For folks watching that live stream, the protesters are in the plifs faces, theyre yelling at them sometimes not more than a few inches away. What do you say to the people who say you are provoking . Youre trying to elicit this response from the police . 17 shots into an unarmed man was provoking. Leaving mike brown in the street for 4 1 2 hours, dead, not allowing his parents to approach his body, forcing his pase inino watch their son die is provoking. Its unfair that you can come to our communities, shoot us dead and then expect us to kumbaya out of the situation. To not express the anger. This problem has been going on since my father was my age, since my mother was my age. It doesnt look like your fathers Civil Rights Movement because its not. Were fed up. No one has answers. You know, people try to pacify us. The of information that they do give us in the Mainstream Media is information that we already know in the community. We havent got answers at all and were hurting. Let me ask you one thing that you said in the begin, you said 17 shots in an unarmed man. Police say they have recovered a weapon. They say theres ballistics. Theres shell casings. Do you think thats fab ri kated . St. Louis p. D. Is widely known for a term that we know in my neighborhood, free casing. Ive been walking down the street one morning, going to work and a cop pulled up on me and said what do you know about this murder . I said nothing. He said get in the back of this car and tell me about it downtown. This happens all of the time. So i dont think its an unfair situation for us to be suspicious that they say he had a gun and his parents didnt. Taurean, do you think things will with peaceful throughout this weekend . To speak on what tourean said, theres a method to the madness. The organization that you see, its actually a plan. You cant come down with 22 or 27 municipalities a t the same time, lock people up, hold hosages, pepper spray tear gas people when youre spread thin. I commend them for coming out last night. Good luck doing it on a weekend in the weekend resistance. Thank you very much. Joining me now, tim reed, hes a correspondent for reuters. Tim, you wrote a piece about planning happening for the possibility of largerscale unrest in the event of a lack of indictment for Darren Wilson. What did you find out through your reporting . Well, i found out bs i me, o, all sides, the of ri can American Community and the white community, everyone is fixated on the grand jury decision which is expected to come out probably around the second week of november. And in the event that officer Darren Wilson is not indicted by the grand jury, which many expect to be the decision, there is a great deal of concern among Law Enforcement that this will spark big protests, maybe even bigger than the ones we saw in august in the aftermath of the Michael Brown shooting. They are actually meeting two or three times a week, various Police Forces in the area to draw up contingency plans for these riots. Not just confined to ferguson, but st. Louis. And theyre also talking to other Police Forces in other parts of the country both on how to get advise on how to deal with mass, civil unrest. But, also, to keep tabs with other Police Forces on outside groups that might come into the area as the Police Enforcement people say, possibly, to cause trouble in the event that officer wilson is not indicted. Youre saying that ire meeting two or three times a week. Thats a fair amount of preparation going into this. Yeah, i think this shows the level of concern about this eminent grand jury decision. Among the african American Community, the grand jury that is deciding the Michael Brown shooting and then whether or not to indict officer wilson is a 12member grand jury, nine of those members are white, six are white men, three members of the grand jury, African American and the chief prosecutor in charge of the proceedings, bob mccullough, who you mentioned earlier in the report, he comes from a family of policemen, his own father was shot in the line of duty by an African American man. Theres a lot of distrust, profound distrust in ferguson that they will get a fair and impartial decision, although that is something that bob mccumccu mccullough fiercely denies. Of course, what less sons they take away in responding to mass protests, which have been largely peaceful, throughout, if you sort of quantify them, the vast majority of protests and expression, even when theyve been angry, have been peaceful. Thats very much a work in progress. And that is, i think, one of the major things that theyre discussing in these meetings is what kind of posture to take. Which police force takes the lead. It was announced last week that the sai st. Louis county police are going to take the lead daytoday. After they take the lead after the decision on the indictment is made is still being decided. Theyre not ruling out or taking off the table if things get really bad the use of carriers that we saw in the aftermath of the Michael Brown shooting. This is a major part of the debate how to patrol the streets in the case of problems. Tim reid, of reuters, thank you very much. Thank you. After years of fracturing, finally agreement on one thing. To scare the hell out of the american public. Ill explain ahead. We won thats why i take metabiotic, a daily probiotic. With 70 of your immune system in your gut, new multihealth metabiotic with bioactive 12 helps maintain digestive balance and is proven to help support a healthy immune system i take care of myself, so i can take care of them. Experience the meta effect with our new multihealth wellness line and see how one small change can lead to good things. Cozy or cool . Exactly the way you want it. Until boom, its bedtime your mattress is a battleground of thwarted desire. Enter the sleep number bed. Right now, you can save 400 on our most popular bed. Hes the softy. His sleep number setting is 35. Youre the rock, at 60. And snoring . Sleep numbers even got an adjustment for that. 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For a while, we thought it would be all about obamacare. Now, the exchanges have turned out pretty well. Republicans have pretty much abandoned their calls to repeal the law. I think at this stage, what we should do is a number of bills that would fix flaws in obamacare. I think were passed the point of being able to repeal the bill all together. The gop has landed our argument that basically boils down to this. Ebolas coming, isis wants to kill you and its all the democrats fault. My opponent fathers and mothersly attacks me to hide her failed record on illegal immigration. Its a deadly disease and it needs to be taken seriously. This president seems to have trouble taking anything seriously, whether it es ebolar our border security. Warnings of islamic extremists, but what does mark udall say . This is a world Health Crisis. It has to be addressed, again. You know, im a mom. Ive got kids. People are concerned. This is a safety and security issue and the president needs to lead. And because few things scare a candidate more than their opponent successfully scaring the crap out of an opponent. Someone has to act. She decided that a park avenue fundraiser was more important than a bereaving on isis. Shes failing on a comprehensive strategy on addressing the ebola threat. When i saw this threat emerging, i called for a ban. I think it takes courage to say folks, weve got to get the situation under control until the cdc can convince us that people are not going to come to this nation and threaten our safety and securitity. I think the speaker has been spineless because he will not say what he would do. He is not saying whether he would arm and train the rebels or put boots on the ground. Joining me now, editor and chief of role call. It has gotten dark. The new cycle is basically ebola and isis all of the time. The level of sort of fear and threat is high. And youre seeing now an election that wasnt really about anything substantively. Now, going to the lowest and common most denominator. There are two really important points to point out. One, all of congress, republicans and democrats punted. They left a week earlier than expected, didnt deal with this. Now, there are some people, both parties, that want to see a vote. Were basically saying we authorizing the president to use military force there. But using campaign ads, thats typical. Everybody has done that since the beginning of campaign ads, right . Youre going to use something to scare people to show up. Now, the other part of this, ebola, i think we need to turn the lens on ourselves a little bit. They wouldnt be able to use this to scare people if the media was not trumping up these stories and scaring people. We all play a part in that. We could have a minnesota bridge collapse. Democrats just dont have the same ability to message on it. But, in all, volt ters want to l like theyre voting for something. A lot of time, that ends up being a change. But, in general, its something positive that youre turning your life around. The scaring, it works for some voters on the margins, but its not necessarily the most effective. Theres also been some really reckless care scare monitoring here. The beheading video in a campaign ad, which is e i think is widely seen beyond the tale, tasteless and disgusting. Claiming, as a malta matter of that isis borders when there is no evidence of that what so ever. The truth in advertising role is sort of nonsense. It gives you fuel to run another ad. And both parties do it and both parties trump these things. Think about are they corrupting our values scary ads that youve seen in years passed . No, thats completely gone. Because of what you see with the gay marriage decision. Here, you have all of this actual stuff happening with gay marriage. Its completely outside of them. Ahead, what looked like a scene from e. T. Come to life on a u. S. 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Quarantined at the gate at the airport, this, after a passen r passenger, according to reports, got sick and threw up on the plane. The Clark County Department of aviation released this statement. It has been determined the passenger does not meet the required criteria for ebola. In a country where nearly 2 Million People are getting on planes every day, you expected some percentage of them getting sick. Todays false alarm, of course, comes on the heels of what happened yesterday. Just an incredible scene in punta cana, dominican republic. A 54yearold man sneezed and said, i have ebola. You are all screwed. In the confusion, the plane was held on the tarmac and the Flight Attendant addressed all 290 passengers on board. Everybody sit down. You, too. I need your attention. Ive done this for 36 years. I think the man that has said this is an idiot. And ill say that straight up. I want you to keep your wits about you. We have people coming on. Weve all been watching the news. So they look like theyre in the little bubble machine. Please, stay out of their way. Let them do their job. This is all New Territory for all of us. Im trying to give you the loop as much as i can. There are more than 8,000 cases of ebola more than half of them died. Ever since he got on a plane and came to the u. S. , theres been a fear and worry of an outbreak happening here, which may explain why 58 of americans now want a ban on incoming flights from west african countries, even though the cdc and Public Health Officials Say that would be a bad idea. Joining me now, ebola skeptic, that video is so great because a, the fact that theyre wearing e. T. Suits, my favorite part of it is the fact that the plane isnt freaking out. You can tell, like, thats what i love about this. Sometimes i cant tell whether the media is creating the sort of fear and, like, people are actually pretty chill or if people are panicking. And i feel like what i get from this video, the people are pretty chill. People are totally chill. People are taking selfies during that incident. Not with the ebola suspect. Yes, exactly. I think the greatest part was the Flight Attendant. When she said i just want to say i think the guy that said this is an idiot. I think that really set the tone and calmed people double. But i think this is a really gross overreaction. Is ebola a problem in liberia . Yes. Is it a problem in the United States of america . No. No. It just simply isnt. And, yet, we are now in a situation in which, because of the media and because it is a communicable disease, its something they want to contain. You know, we saw it in las vegas. Someone throws up on a flight, someone says i dont know about an idiot there, somebody acts in a strange manner and makes a joke about ebola and youve got guys in bubble suits on the tarmac. And thats going to be the way it is. Its sort of like no one should make a joke about having ebola. If you dont want your flight delayed, dont make a joke about having ebola. This has been hyped so much by so many people. We have the entero virus which is actually affecting kids. Theres all of these situations, 600 and such at hospitals, being paralyzed and dying. That is something that we should be concerned about. But this gross overreaction, i think, and its being politicized, too. Your husband is a doctor. Hes a pull monoologist . Youve g hes going to go to liberia . Yes, hes going to go to liberia to help with the situation. That is incredible. Yes. How do you feel about that . As i mentioned, as i said, it is a problem. Its a serious crisis. I am concerned. But at the same time, i give him my blessing because they need the help. We great doctors, great hospitals, Great Technology in this country. Unfortunately, the reason why so many people are dying is theres not enough beds, not enough resources, not enough trained professionals. So i support it. Nervously. When is he going . Probably early next year because were going to ethiopia first. And you are undeterred . I am undeterred. I will be in ethiopia in november. Thank you very much. All right. Well wrap up our weeklong series of all in america coal country tonight and how the lobster boat got involved in the protest over coal use in america and the amazing thing they do. Thats ahead. Tonight, at 10 00 p. M. Eastern, msnbc will be broadcasting the alma awards. And, at 11 00 p. M. Eastern, my friend and colleague alex wagner will be hosting after the almas. Shes going to have great, behindthescenes video. Hope youll tune in. In r etirt, will you have enough money to live life on your terms . I sure hope so. With healthcare costs, who knows. Umm. Everyone has retirement questions. 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In may of 2013, climate act vis ken ward and jay ohara navigated a 32 foot lobster boat near a power station. On the border ofn massachusetts and rhode island. They dropped anchor and called the local police. Ken moore, we are anchored off the pier at riggand point. I wanted to let you know were conducting a nonviolent protest against the use of coal. They were positioned right where a 689 foot freighter needed to dock and unload a 40,000 ton shipment of coal from West Virginia. Over the course of a day, they managed to block the shipment. That is not where the story ends. Ward and ohara were able to face trial next month. The two had to act, but they didnt have to. Sam sutter dropped the conspiracy charge and downgraded the other charges to civil infractions. A group of reporters gathered and holding a copy of Rolling Stone magazine, sutter explained he essentially agreed with ward and ohara. This is one of the greatest crises the world has ever faced and it keeps getting worse. We took a stand here today and, casebycase, incident by incident, we will continue to take a stand. Joining me now is sam sutter. Mr. Sutter, why did you make this decision . What was your thought process as you went into this . Me thought process was, first of all, i had a duty to uphold the law and i think i did that. They did say they were responsible and they did agree to pay back the town of somer set for the Police Overtime costs. But i do agree with their actionment i felt empowered to make the decision that i did to dismiss one of the charges and reduce the others. I think what brought on all the intention was the short speech that i gave afterwards and i never thought that a threetofour minute speech would bring more attention to myself and my office than prosecuting aaron hernandez, but it has. Was it a moment of evolution for you . This is an issue thats youve been thinking a lot about . Or was it something about the facts of this case and the facts of this protest that galvanized you or changed your mind and had you think about this in a way that you hadnt before. I would say the latter. More that ive been reading more and more as the years have gone on. Im an avid reader of bill mckivens. I was particularly inspired by a short piece in Rolling Stone in june of this year. He called the march that was coming up then, it took place a few weeks ago, a single moment in the movement. I think that it was. And so that was certainly part of my part of my thinking as i came into court that day. You came to that march and my question for you is do you think we are going to see more civil disobedience . To kind of bring the issue the way it has to be to con front the challenge . Not civil disobedience, necessarily. Ive said many times, i agree with their position, although i ds agree with the action. I have to say that because, after all, i am the district attorney. I see many promising signs on the horizon. Ive watched your show avidly this week and the focus that youve put on this issue. I think we have to do much more. Ill be joined by activist bob kinkaid to talk about the future and whats exciting about it. Stick around. So i can reach ally bank 24 7, but there are no branches . 24 7 its just im a little reluctant to try new things. Whats wrong with trying new things . Feel that in your muscles . Yeah. I do. Try a new way to bank, where no branches equals great rates. Health can change in a minute. So cvs health is changing healthcare. Making it more accessible and affordable, with over 900 locations for walkin medical care. And more on the way. Minuteclinic. Another innovation from cvs health. Because health is everything. receptionist Gunderman Group is growing. Getting in a groove. Growth is gratifying. Goal is to grow. Gotta get greater growth. I just talked to ups. They got expert advise, special discounts, new technologies. 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What do you say to that . Were deploying 20 billion of the solar this year. Thats more than all the natural gas that were deploying this year any nuclear that were deploying this year. Were deploying more soy e solar there year than natural gas . Absolutely. The profits making for law firms, investment firms, theyre making more money on solar than natural gas, coal or nuclear. This is the big thing. People say coal and nuclear and lie dro hydro, also, right . They give you this steady load, whatever time of day, you dont have to worry about whether its windy or sunny. You cant leave those behind. Those are going to be a full, renewable grid is ridiculous. First out of all, you have to acknowledge that we have 490 natural gas plants operating in the u. S. Second is that were actually moving to demand dexterity with supply dexterity. Today, you can change the way people use electricity using big data cheaper than you can turn on a new, natural gas generator. So you could prediblgt load and demand well enough that you can match supply and demand in a kind of dynamic way which hasnt been possible as recent as 1015 years ago. At 80 cost of turning on the natural gas generator. So is cheaper to get really Good Software than to burn some molecules of carbon. Exactly. Bob, you said some things that stuck with me. I was amazed when we went down to harlin county, i was amazed that the folks i was talking to do down there, almost to a person, said the same thing. And these. Reporter conservatives, some of whom hate barack obama, some of whom love barack obama, but everyone is we understand. We see the writing on the wall. And, yet, the political system doesn yet. How can you not see the writing on the wall, chris . Theres not more coal in the ground being made by little ker keebler coal el vs. The people who have dug the coal and died to dig the coal know that better than anybody else. Its not at all surprising that people would acknowledge reality. I know it seems challenging now. But we know that its going away. And we know its going away because we wouldnt be blowing the tops off of mountains with 5. 5 Million Pounds of high explosive every day in appalachia if there were six foot seems of cole to be removed there. The fact of the matter is the jobs are going away and the workers know it because there were thousands and thousands of underground coal workers at one time. And now theres only 4,000. For the entire state . Yeah. And coupled with that, there are 4,000 statistical excess deaths in the counties every year. So were talking about an almost onetoone for life for job. And that is not something that a state can tolerate and sustain into the future. And, yet, do you feel like coals power is eaten away . Whats fascinating about me for this moment for coal x its facing a tax on two flanks. In the marketings its really in trouble, right . Coal lost 10 of its share price yesterday. Yeah, and on friday, there were three big Coal Companies that hit historic lower es. Theyre getting hammed. Their bond ratings are getting hurt in the mark. Were up to 5,000 people a month. Its extraordinary how many people were on boarding every month. Thats happening in the market. Plus, youve got activists, people like yourselves who are going after coal in sort of act vimpl. But you go watch the Senate Debate in West Virginia. And theyre just competing on who loves coal the 340es. Same thing down in kentucky. When does that political power go away . I think it only goes away when the coal industryist goes away. Our politicians have had the common decency to get bought and stay bought. The only people talking about the realities are third party candidates. And theyre talking about Renewable Energy and theyre talking about the Health Crisis in appalachia and theyre talking about hr 5260 emergency act and mountain top remove. Thats in congress. . Yes. I have had two ads in the charleston gazette to not acknowledge that the studies, and theres more than 20 of them, that show that people are being poisoned in mountain top removal studies. Not to agree, but to simply acknowledge that they kbis. And neither of these candidates and none of our Political Leadership dont you think the reason al gore lost the presidency in 2000 is because he lost West Virginia. Every democrat has been afraid of talking about coal since that election. The best Case Scenario is theres a relationship between the concentration of power and who gets the stuff out of the ground and the power of politics. What that looks like in West Virginia and kentucky and poor states with corrupt politics for a long time. And the future we might be headed towards,which is a more distributed one, which is more small d democratic when a small group doesnt control all of the power. Its a matter of the politicians having to learn and the political consul tan sill class, chris. Theres polling data out there in the last few years that show upwards not just the morality, but 60 of people hate mountain top removal. Gentlemen, thank you both. All right. To wrap up this week, my family is here visiting the studio tonight. Every time my daughter comes, she asks to see a different animal on tv. Last time, it was elephants. So we showed two baby elephants in a wading pool. Tonights request is gorillas. Heres some gorillas eating birthday cake at the since ncin zoo. That is all in for this evening. Good evening, steve. I think i was here for the elephants last time. Yes, you were. Tough acts to follow. Anyway, thanks for that, chris hayes. Thanks to you for joining us this hour. Rachel has night off. We will be hearing from her later in the hour, so stick around for that. Congress is smack dab in the middle of its 54 day vacation. But, today, members of the hougs Homeland Security committee went to dallas. And specifically, they went to the dallas ft. Worth international airport. They had a hearing at the airport. Its known as a field hearing. And field hearings dont happen that often when it comes to congress. And they definitely dont