Police tell us the 14yearold was handling the gun recklessly when he admits he shot his younger brother. One boy pulled the trigger fatally shooting his older brother. The boys were trying to figure out how to work the gun when the older brother accidentally pulled the trigger. The 2yearold found the gun underneath of a bed and accidentally shot himself. A tragic story out of corsicana. A 2yearold is dead after finding a gun. Deputies say that the little boy somehow got his dads gun. But what if there was a gun that a child couldnt shoot . A gun with the technology to ensure it could only be fired by its owner . Well, that gun exists. Its real. I held it. I fired it. Good shot. Wow. How does it feel . Amazing. Yeah. It feels like a massive step forward. Like the iphone of firearms. A smart gun. Theres just one problem. You cant buy it anywhere in america. Its not because its illegal and its not because its manufacturer isnt trying to sell it. Now the question is can you sell it . And the demand is there. Yeah. I receive emails constantly from people wondering where they can buy the handguns. Reporter belinda leads the American Division of armatix, the German Company trying to sell the first smart gun in the united states. She met me at a maryland gun range to demonstrate how it works. Red means you are not the authorized user or you have not activated the watch. So when you grip that, its telling you right now you cannot fire this gun. Correct. The armatix smart gun only functions if the owner is wearing a special watch. My code is entered. It says its good. I hit enter. Now i pick up the handgun and its green. Green means im the authorized user. Now im ready to fire. If the watch and gun are separated by more than 10 inches, after, say, a suspect wrestles it away from a police officer, the gun stops working. Putting the ammunition in. I can fire. Take the wrist watch away, it is more than 10 inches, the grip tells me i cannot fire. I pull the trigger, i get nothing. I return it within 10 inches, pull the trigger [ gunshots ] created by a legendary gun designer, the armatix smart gun is supposed to retail for 1800. About three times the cost of some popular, traditional handguns. It may just be the beginning of what could be a technological revolution in firearm safety. The ones that are clamoring most for this are the Law Enforcement officers whose colleagues are being shot by bad guys using police handguns. You want to really make sure that that thing is not in the hands of someone else. Thats right. And its not only the domestic Law Enforcements, its also our military. When i was the d. O. D. Inspector general, one of our big concerns was we had caches of weapons and youre just pouring weapons in a place. All it takes is one raid on an unsecured facility and youve got a thousand u. S. Issued weapons Walking Around iraq or wherever it is. But that actually happened within the last year in syria. The bad guys actually raided a warehouse and got the weapons that were designed for the good guys. Reporter Joseph Schmitz was the Inspector General under donald rumsfeld. I was the top cop in the pentagon. At one point somebody told me i was the largest Public Sector consumer of glock handguns. Reporter he then went to work for the founder of blackwater. I then went directly from the pentagon to be the chief operating officer and general counsel of the prince group which is probably most famous for owning blackwater usa and president ial airways. Prince named after eric prince. Eric prince is the founder and ceo. He helped armatix clear the legal hurdles to get the guns sold in maryland. There were members of the maryland handgun roster board who simply didnt understand the technology and who, frankly, thought that it was part of some Big Government conspiracy to take away the rights of american handgun owners. The armatix smart gun has cleared some of the toughest legal hurdles in the country. Theres still one big problem. No one anywhere will sell it to you. Smart guns are dumb guns. The technology is far from reliable. Anybody thats going to put their life on the line with a piece of Unreliable Technology is making a big mistake. Larry pratt is the ceo of gun owners of america, and his organization along with the National Rifle association have been pushing hard to stop smart guns from reaching the market. They were successful with the first store that tried to sell the armatix smart gun. The gun club outside los angeles. We were delighted by the backla backlash. Things looked promising for the smart gun at first. James mitchell, the extremely progun owner told the Washington Post he would sell the gun, saying it could revolutionize the gun industry. But soon the shops Facebook Page filled with messages like this one. You guys still in business . Not for long. Might have been a smart gun, but it was a darn dumb business decision to try to pawn that crap off on american gun owners. So Oak Tree Gun Club reversed course, denying that it ever planned to sell the smart gun, despite photographs showing it for sale in a gun cabinet in the store. It was a testament of the power of the gun rights establishment, which argued that once a smart gun reaches the market, the government is going to make smart guns mandatory and prevent people from buying traditional firearms. The nra warns that smart guns have the potential to mesh with the antigunners agenda opening the door for a ban on all guns that dont possession the technology. The nra declined to talk to us for this story but larry pratt of gun owners of america told me much the same thing. It seems if we could come to some technological solution so you dont have kids killing kids in their own homes that would be something that anyone, you, i, anyone with feelings with the Second Amendment could embrace and come to celebrate. What youre talking about is an argument for mandatory control. This idea the government is going to mandate smart guns sounds like paranoia, but it turns out theres a kernel of truth to it. In 2002 new jersey passed a law requiring that once a smart gun goes on the market anywhere in the country, gun sellers in new jersey must move within three years to only sell smart guns, taking traditional guns off the shelves. New jersey is a massive example of government overreach. That new jersey law has turned opposition to smart guns into a cause celeb for the progun crowd. After eric holder merely referenced the armatix centimeter system safer, marco rubio and sarah palin took to the floor and painted a dire picture of government control. We have an attorney general who believes that we should be forcing gun owners to wear bracelets in order to operate their firearms. Attorney general eric holder recently reveals this idea to have government to have government have gun owners wear bracelets, special bracelets that would identify you as a gun owner. Well, hey, holder, you dont want to go there, buddy. Its just ignorance. Its just ignorance because really there isnt a there isnt any agenda here by any sort of big brother government. Armatix was undeterred and found someone else willing to sell its smart gun. Proudly, progun conservative andy reid. Your uncle watches msnbc and drives you crazy. Just to pi scss me off, ever night. He runs a small gun shop. What do you make . Whats commonly referred to as assault rifles. So we do a lot of ar15s, aks, things like that. He told me that smart guns are good for the gun industry. If this gets them into shooting, then im all about it. Thats an awesome thing. Everybody thats progun should be all about that. If that gets people into the range and shooting and loving guns, thats an a sum, fricking thing for us but instead theyre talking trash. All the time antigun people say you shouldnt be able to do that, you shouldnt be able to have that. This is a common theme, you shouldnt have an ar15. But now progun people who hate that are now saying the same thing about this. And how hypocritical is that . It really is. Andy raymond knew the backlash would come. We asked him what he was going to say to those who came after him. Youre hypocrites. Youre the exact same thing that we hate, people sitting here telling us that we cant have this or have an ar15, you are doing the exact same thing, you fricking hypocrite. So shut up. When we come back, the backlash to andys decision to sell the armatix smart gun came fast and furious in the 24 hours after we spoke with him. 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Straight ahead more of our special report on that socalled smart gun and the backlash one maryland gun dealer received when he agreed to sell it. And thats epic, bro, weve forgotten just how good good is. Good is setting a personal best before going for a world record. Good is swinging to get on base before swinging for a home run. [ crowd cheering ] good is choosing not to overshoot the moon, but to land right on it and do some experiments. So start your day off good with a coffee thats good cup after cup. Maxwell house. Good to the last drop this is all about freedom. Right. It really is, man. So even when the nra, the bastion of great freedom and they say this thing should be prohibited, how hypocritical is that . Theyre bowing down to fear, bro, its coward is. Theyre afraid so they bow down and that is cowardice. That is not what people who stand for freedom do. You stand up and fight for what you believe. You do not bow down. On thursday after word got out that andy raymond wanted to sell the personalized armatix ap1, the worlds first smart gun, he faced an avalanche of hate from gun supporters opposed to sell this particular weapon. The Facebook Page of his store filled up with accusations of treason. He said he got Death Threats, telling the Washington Post his phone was ringing off the hook. He was so worried someone tried to burn down his store he slept there much of thursday night, just him and his dog. It was during that night that andy raymond responded through this facebook video and announced that he changed his mind. Hey, guys, im andy from engage armament. Im the coowner here. And theres been a lot of drama today here, a lot of crazy [ bleep ] going on. So i thought i would put up a video to explain myself. Ive been drinking, so my apologies in advance. I thought that this thing was a good thing for a couple reasons. I would like to explain myself. One is that you get so many people who are on the fence about gun ownership, weve seen this in maryland time and time again, especially after this old law got passed, this law in october got passed. So many people on the fence about gun ownership. Well, you know, i think i shouldnt have one in myself but i dont know if people should have assault weapons and this and that. And, you know, i thought that if you get people who are like that into guns, that that would be a good thing. I thought that if you got people who, you know, never wanted one or didnt want want one in their house because of their kids or Something Like that, their kids getting at it, that if they bought a gun, that thats a good thing. They would go out there and exercise their Second Amendment rights. They would, you know, join us. That was reinforced yesterday, i did an interview with chris hayes on msnbc, which has already aired. I dont even know i cant even watch it, im so [ bleep ] pissed and upset. And after i explained to him that position and the position that how can the nra or people want to prohibit a gun when were supposed to be pro gun. Were supposed to say that any gun is good in the right persons hands. How can they say that a gun should be prohibited . How hypocritical is that . I still stand by that. I mean if youre if youre if youre pro gun, does it matter what kind of gun the person has . If the person is actually a fence sitter when it comes to gun rights, theyre sitting there saying that i want a gun, i want to be able to go to the range and just use it at the range, i dont want it for home defense but i most certainly dont want my kids to have access to it ever, then this gun would have actually worked for those people. Not for self defense, not for Law Enforcement, not in its current configuration, or anything like that. I thought that we could get antigun people or people who were fence sitters actually into guns. That was my intention. I did an interview with msnbc and i explained myself that i thought it was hypocritical to try to ban guns and that people have a right to whatever gun they want, even chris hayes said im going to do a call to action. He agreed with me. He said im going to do a call to action to repeal the new jersey law. I thought right there we had a success. If we got a guy who is left of Vladimir Lenin and he has now agreed to actually support repealing a gun control law. I thought it was a good thing, you know. I dont know if he did that or not. But what i found out today was, and i put my phone number up so people could call me. I dont you know, i like talking to people. I want to explain myself. I want you to explain yourself. How do you feel . So i was a little bit kind of misled, i guess, on this new jersey thing. I understood the new jersey law was in effect. I thought other people were selling the gun. I thought oak tree already sold it, so it didnt matter what i did. So anyway, obviously i received numerous Death Threats today. I really [ bleep ] appreciate that. That [ bleep ] is classy. Thats a great thing for gun rights when you threaten to shoot somebody. That was really splendid. Just to pause the tape for a second to address a couple things. First, andy raymonds characterization of what i said about that new jersey law, yes, thats more or less true. I came around to believing while doing this report that the new jersey smart gun law is just bad legislation and were going to have some breaking news on that coming up. Raymond also mentions he hadnt seen our interview. Theres a reason for that, we just played it for the first time tonight. Finally, point of fact, i am not actually to the left of Vladimir Lenin. But andy raymond addresses those people who have been calling him and threatening his life and his business. As you can see, hes very animated, gets very upset, says a few pretty ugly thing that i have no interest in playing here. But the andy raymond we had met the day before had clearly been very affected by the blowback that came his way. Dont [ bleep ] come at me with this [ bleep ]. Thats the people who called up and threatened to [ bleep ] kill me. So that being said, we never sold an armatix pistol. We have no inventory. I got brought into this. I said, yes, i agree with the thing on principle, okay. If someone wants to buy a smart gun, that is fine. That is their right, okay. When the law legislates it, that is a sin. That is god awful. Ill cut it off there. Once again, we will not sell the armatix pistol. I will not be part of anyone [ bleep ] anyone when it comes to guns. I believe my principles are what now are correct. Unfortunately, maybe i was wrong. I dont know. I thought we had a chance to reach people who were i guess it doesnt matter. I guess it doesnt matter. So, the people of new jersey, my apologies. You got nothing to worry about from me. And if anything happens to me or anything like that, if i if i resign or anything like that, i hope you dont hold anything against my Business Partner or any of my employees. Its my fault, entirely my decision. Nothing to do with them. The business in general. So my apologies. I hope bygones can be bygones and we can get back to our regular scheduled program. Thats that. Right now the armatix ip1 smart gun is not on sale anywhere in the united states. Gun rights supporters have successfully bullied and intimidated not one, but two Different Stores from selling it, pointing to a 2002 new jersey law which mandates that once a smart gun goes on sale anywhere in the country, new jersey gun sellers have three years to take all other guns off the shelves. Up next we have the new jersey senator who helped craft that law, who voted for that law and ill ask whether she agrees with me that its time to repeal that law. Dont go away. I have low testosterone. There, i said it. How did i know . 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In 2002 then new jersey governor mcgreevey signed the nations first smart gun law. It mandated once a smart gun goes on sale anywhere in the united states, within three years of that date, all handguns in the state of new jersey must be smart guns. Over a decade ago when the law was signed there was no such thing as a smart gun. Today there is the armatix and that new jersey law is is the heart of the pushback against it. They argue the sale of any smart gun anywhere is the first step on the road to government control of gun ownership. Joining me is senator loretta wi wineberg. First i want to ask you your reaction to what youve seen in our report tonight. Well, not surprising. Ive been involved with the Gun Safety Movement for probably the last 12 or 15 years of my public life, so im kind of used to the vitriol that comes out each time we talk about gun safety. It makes me sad for a man like andy raymond, who obviously had some struggle with what he knew was the right thing to do and then having to deal with the pushback and make his public apology. Youre saying youve been on the receiving end of that kind of ugliness . I certainly have over the years. You know, i always hesitated to use the term smart gun because it had a very negative connotation as far as i was concerned. We talked about child proof handguns. This issue was first brought to me by the father of somebody who was killed in the long island train massacre some number of years ago. Im sure many of your viewers remember what took place there. I met him along the way of some campaign jaunt. He is the one who first used the phrase to me smart gun. What was the thinking behind the law that you passed . The thinking behind the law was that we were going to encourage the development of the technology, and in fact right in one of our own universities in new jersey, new Jersey Institute of technology, got a federal grant and was very close to coming up with a different technology. So the idea here is you guarantee a market through this law that Incentivizes Research money going to the development of this. Correct. Do you think that is an obstacle to that development. Yes, i do. Let me add a caveat. What i said, and i believe i talked to your producer this past week, was that if the nra, the gun owners of america, those people who have stood in the way not only of the retail sales, they have also gone after gun manufacturers yep. Who were beginning to develop other technology other than armatix. That if in fact they would get out of the way of preventing the research, development, manufacture, distribution and sale, i would move to repeal this law in the state of new jersey. A truce of sorts. They stand down, you stand down, you try to repeal this law, they get out of the way of all the development of this and we allow this to enter into the market and let consumers make choices . Exactly. I want to bring in the executive director of every town for gun safety legislation that represents mergers of moms demand action against gun violence. His father is a licensed gun dealer in colorado. How big does the smart gun loom in the imagination of folks in the second rights movement. Well, it looms large for people on all sides because we know Something Like two million American Kids live in homes with unsecured guns and a very big percentage of crimes committed with guns are not committed by the people who bought them, its by people who steal them or find them when theyre lost. But i want to validate the concern that some gun users are raising here. When youre talking about individual rights, you want to make sure that the Technology Works and is really there before you start requiring its use or even allowing its use. Those of us who were carrying a while ago about Voting Rights understand the way this works. When it became clear that some of the first electronic Voting Machines were mostly going to be made by a very conservative company, there was all sorts of progressive concern. Guess what happened, you dealt with the problem by public and private partnerships at the federal and state level that guaranteed these machines are foolproof. I think that is where people who are on my side of the issue and the manufacturers and the folks at the nra could get together if they wanted to. Making sure that the technology worked and youd have a gun that saved a lot of lives. It strikes me also that youre dealing with always a strange thing about guns, its the only Consumer Product in the constitution so its in this different place, especially postheller decision. But the fundamental technology has not changed. While weve had digital penetration of everything in our lives from the they remember shats in our homes to the system in your car which can be tuned up through software, heres this very powerful, very widespread used item that there is no digital penetration of. It seems that its only natural that moment comes to pass. I think thats right. Like every kind of change, change takes time but i think electronic voting is a good analogy. There were lots of concerns on the right and left that the government is not going to count your vote, is going to count your vote the wrong way or create a list telling people how you voted and somehow manipulate today. Today electronic voting makes things more foolproof and easier and reduces the risk of fraud. I think theres a great lesson to be learned there by people of good will who just want to keep guns out of the wrong hands and allow everybody else to buy whatever they want buy and large. Can you, senator, brings allies along with this . Do you think other people will be along with you in this . Yes, i do. If in fact we hear that people will not stop this technological advancement, you know, its sort of so irrational to me that if in fact any gun owner can own a gun that they know would be safe if they have children in the house, that would be safe from somebody coming and stealing it and turning it on them, why would they be against that if in fact there is in the marketplace such a weapon which would be safe for the owner and anybody else. I believe the marketplace will take over and those are the kinds of guns that most people probably want to buy. State senator Loretta Weinberg and mark glaze, thank you both. Thanks for having us. 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You might think to yourself, well, that had to do with the Second Amendment and stand your ground so it might not be that surprising to see a sharp partisan divide. What about this guy . If you dont feel dont come to my games. Dont bring black people and dont come. Do you know that you have a whole team thats black that plays for you . You just do i know . I support them and give them food and clothes and cars and houses. Who gives it to them . Does someone else give it to them . So heres the most stunning polling on this controversy. Should Donald Sterling be forced to sell the clippers . Well, it breaks down along a huge partisan divide. One i frankly would not have predicted. It breaks down on relatively small things too, like 12 years a slave, should it win the oscar for best picture . 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Cheneys ally was selling the same intel to the New York Times that he was giving to the neocons from highly unreliable iraqi deferkts. She interviewed many who claimed there was still adestine wmd Program Operating in iraq. In 2002 she wrote that an intercepted shipment of tubes to be used for center funls was evidence that saddam was building a uranium gas separator to build nuclear material. Keep in mind, this is one pipeline of phony intel, one to dick cheney and the other to Judith Miller of the on the very same sunday that Judith Millers piece appears in the New York Times, dick cheney went on meet the press and said this. Specifically aluminum tubes. Theres a story in the New York Times this morning, this is and i want to attribute the times and talk about specific intelligence sources, but its now public that in fact he has been seeking to acquire and we have been able to intercept and prevent him from acquiring through this particular channel the kinds of tubes that are necessary to build a centrifuge. You see what he did there, right . He knew full well the same information pipeline supplying him was supplying Judith Miller. He then goes on meet the press as if he just on his way to the studio happened to pick up the New York Times and lo and behold, aluminum tubes are there. So now a story that comes from one tainted unreliable source has been independently confirmed by a respected news organization. The cravenness of that maneuver still sticks with me but dick cheney may have competition. It turns out senator Lindsey Graham pulled a cheney right under our noses having to do with lara logan. The big obsession is that the attack in benghazi wasnt pulled off by militia members or terrorists affiliated by al qaeda but rather by al qaeda itself. Of course there was no evidence that was the case. Ultimately a comprehensive the New York Times story said it wasnt al qaeda, but when lara logan did her discredited 60 minutes report a couple of months prior, this is what she said. Contrary to the white houses public statements, which were still being made a full week later, its now well established that the americans were attacked by al qaeda in a wellplanned assault. You hear that . Its now well established. Well, senator Lindsey Graham heard that and ran straight to fox news with it. 60 minutes doesnt cover phony scandals. I think the story was about the fact that our folks died in a different way than explained by the administration. They died as a result of an al qaeda planned attack that you could see coming. The question youve got to ask yourself is funny how lara logan doesnt give any sourcing for the its now well established. Who told her it was well established . Well, in this blockbuster niece new York Magazine we get the reveal. Turns out lara logan was consulting with, none other than Lindsey Graham. The two met two or three times to talk about the libya attack with graham telling logan that from his point of view it was a fair thing to say that there was a buildup of al qaeda types in the area. So heres how it goes. Lindsey graham tells lara logan its al qaeda in the face of all evidence. Lara logan puts that in her report on the most respected newsmagazine in america and then senator graham vows to block all nominations from the Obama Administration until he gets answers on benghazi and cites the lara logan report as evidence. Evidence which was, unbeknownst to the public at the time, sourced by Lindsey Graham himself. What did the 60 minutes show tell us . That this was a preplanned terrorist attack. Youve got 60 minutes now validating it was not just a terrorist attack, they know who planned it and it was a long time coming. 60 minutes identified the people who planned the attack and actually how they did it. Joining me congressman steve cohen, democrat from tennessee. Congressman, should Lindsey Graham retract that . Should we go on the floor of the senate and say im sorry about that . Well, in the real world he would but politics isnt the real world. Youre not supposed to ever admit anything. This all makes wag the dog look like the bible. It makes it look like the encyclopedia brittanica. You are in the house where they are people to have votes on a select committee on benghazi. How do you plan on voting on that and what do you think of the idea of devoting precious time, resources and attention to the select committee . Im going to vote against it and im going to call up a famous political consultant, fielding mellish with attribution to woody allen who created him. He would say that this committee is a travesty. A travesty of a mockery of a sham. A travesty of a mockery of two travesties of a sham. And thats what it is. Its absurd. This is ludicrous. A Congressional Committee did not find osama bin laden. Barack obama found osama bin laden. George bush didnt find him, barack obama did. And the cia, the state department, the Defense Department under barack obama are going to find the people that were responsible for benghazi, not a select committee. This is simply an assault on Hillary Clinton and they will use it and use it and use it. Do you think thats what it is . Is it being driven by trying to go after Hillary Clinton . Totally. They dont have a candidate who can measure up in the polls. They know that. Secretary clinton is the handson oddson favorite to be president. But when you speak to your colleagues, who are and there are colleagues of yours across the aisle, republican members of the house who are really spending a lot of time on the issue of benghazi, do you think theyre faking it . Do you think they really believe that there was i mean it seems to me its hard to figure out whether this is driven by people trapped in a kind of media bubble in which they are just reading stuff that is confirming that there was some huge coverup or whether is as cynical as folks like you and other folks do. Some have drunk the koolaid and probably believe it. They cant say Hillary Clinton is from kenya, so they have to say shes an aider and abettorer in the coverup of a sham of a mockery. Its insane. We need jobs bills, we need a transportation bill. We need to face the reality that the Affordable Care act is working and keep people alive, but they have had 50 bills to try to repeal the Affordable Care act because they have found that to be a successful propaganda tool. That truth is not really a factor. Thats why Lindsey Graham doesnt have to apologize because the truth and basic common decency in life is not a part of politics. It seems to me that the next five, six months theres not a whole lot of legislating going on in the house of representatives. I cant see it. We should have an immigration bill, not going to take it up. We should have a minimum wage bill. Not going to take it up. Theres not going to be anything but continued attacks to hold the house. But really theyre looking at 2016 and the senate races in 2014. And the question is what exactly is your program for the country, which a select committee on benghazi does not answer. Congressman, that you so much. Great to be with you. 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Former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice had been slated to give the commencement address at Rutgers University, but there were weeks of protests by both students and faculty and so rice withdrew, saying in a statement posted to her Facebook Page commencement should be a time of joyous celebration for the graduates and their families. Rutgers invitation to me to speak has become a distraction for the University Community at this very special time. Joining me now, carmelo, a Rutgers University student, spokesperson for the no rice coalition. Whats your case against not having Condoleezza Rice come speak at rutgers . To us it was Pretty Simple and straightforward. It has become clear after 11 years of the invasion of iraq that Condoleezza Rice and the administration that she worked for misled the american public, they purposely lied about iraq having wmds which we have never found. That also led to their authorization of using enhanced interrogation tactics, torture, on numerous civilians that were never tried. On top of that we have the lives of hundreds of iraqi civilians and thousands of american soldiers too that fell from a war that was based on lies. People are going to say you are a university and the whole idea of a university is its a zone where you should hear other opinions and it should be a liberal place in a small sense. What do you say to people that say youre shutting down speech, youre intolerant . We expected that to come, youre attacking free speech, the same thing that allows you to protest allows her to come to speak. Well, that might be true. However, we have to think here that were not against her speech. Were not against any of her ideas. Were against actions that she actually committed and thats very different. We need to be held to the same standards legally, and i think that this administration, Condoleezza Rice has not been held to the same standards. Youre saying we dont care about hearing her or not hearing her. Youre saying we want to punish and sanction her in some sort of public fashion for the actions that she took in power that we think there was not enough accountability for. We think she should be accountable for her actions, as should the whole administration, and as well other politicians have to respond at their time and our basic tenet was she shouldnt be honored at our university at our commencement, get paid 35,000 to come and speak for 15 minutes. It wasnt that Condoleezza Rice was going to speak at rutgers, it was that Condoleezza Rice was going to be bestowed a formal honor and be paid 35,000. So she was being honored. There was a choice by rutgers affirmatively to honor Condoleezza Rice, and thats part of what my understanding is your case against this. Yes. Specifically an honorary law degree to someone who tried to circumvent law in order to start a war and circumvent law in order to torture, to allegedly obtain information from terrorists, but the real thing is there were a lot of journalists, a lot of civilians who were never tried and never proven to be terrorists tortured. And there was nothing being done to give them repairs or anything. So then the slippery slope argument is then, well, where does it stop, right . Barack obama. Barack obama is a controversial topic for us too because we have discussed barack obama in our meetings. At least in the coalition where 50 to 60 people as a core group. And we are technically opposed to the idea of barack obama also just freely coming to our campus and being honored when he promised so many things and when he has also kept up of the policies and worsened some of the policies, like the drone policies, which the Bush Administration started. Carmelo, thanks for coming in. Thank you. 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