0 busted and has flooded the neighborhood and is going all the way to the drain at the end of the street. um, luckily our house is here, which is seemingly unaffected, but the smell is unbelievable. i mean, look. incredible. and that is oil. >> that is oil. more precisely, that is heavy crude oil from the tar sands of canada spewing out onto the lawns and sidewalks and the streets, past the basketball hoops of the suburban area. that was shot by a resident of the area. the 20-inch mobile pipeline carrying the crude burst on friday, almost in two dozen homes in the area have been evacuated while the clean-up gets under way. the epa has classified it as a major spill. exxonmobil has not announced how much has spilled yet as of this evening they have cleaned up 12 thousand barrels of oil and water. in local news coverage, it was common to hear the residents say they didn't know they lived essentially on top of a 60-year-old oil pipeline. and in the cable news business, the true measure of an oil spill is the degree of an oil spill is determined by the pictures. these come from arkansas. most of these birds are been bathed at least once before the pictures were taken. just two days before the big suburban spill in arkansas, a train derailed in minnesota spilling 15,000 gallons of crude into a rural minnesota field. we don't know for sure whether that was also tar sands oil, but we do know it came from alberta. which at this point is as famous for tar sands as for anything else. as for the pipeline that ruptured in arkansas, that pipeline used to carry crude oil from texas up north to illinois, but in 2006 because there were so much heavy crude oil coming out of canada, exxon reversed it so now it flows north to south. spill of this type of material and this unprecedented volume under these kinds of conditions. you get a sense of this is stuff that is different than what people are used to being able to clean up. >> right, so tar sands oil has the highest carbon content of any oil we know of. and right now, the spill we're seeing in arkansas is a devastating problem. and the real shocker about it, as you alluded to, is that this pipeline carries one tenth of what the proposed keystone xl pipeline would carry. imagine the photos we're seeing from arkansas times ten, and that overlaid over the ogalala ak wi fer in nebraska. >> i'm going to push back, not because i'm in favor of all for keystone. >> you're on record. >> pro oil spill. here is what the oil companies will say about this. and that is whether we continue to be a carbon based economy, whether we finally recognize that if we don't get a handle on greenhouse gas submissions that this planet is going to be facing some disastrous problems in years to come. as a member of the energy committee and the environmental committee we have talked to scientists and they say the estimations we made for global warming damage, we were wrong. good we don't get our act together and start cutting in a very significant greenhouse gas emissions, we're talking about this planet heating up by eight degrees fahrenheit by the end of the century. and that is calamitous for this planet. >> and here's the thing. there are alternatives, and you never hear about a solar spill. when you hear about a solar spill, we call it a beautiful day. >> okay, but keystone has become this kind of flash point for the environmental movement. and obviously, this being in the news is -- is useful. it's a catalyzing moment, right? as we all think about building this massive new pipeline. part is built, part is being built, the last part which crosses the border in the north is awaiting approval, and the idea here is the reason this is so important isn't just because you're going to get oil spills and that's part of it, but it's that this will push us over into some new territory. but dan, the argument that gets made by the state department and their draft environmental impact study and by a lot of people is that oil is coming out no matter what. when you look at how much money there is to be made from it and the amount of capital investment firms are willing to do to extract it, that seems like there's something to do with the argument. >> it is an economic equation. this bill proves to you, for example, that keystone is just one pipeline. and in fact, canadian sands are coming down to this country. even if the president were to disallow keystone from being built, it would not stop canadian oil sands from coming to this country. if you talk to oil schedulers, they will tell you they don't particularly need keystone xl in order to move the amount of canadian sands they want to move. it just makes things a whole heck of a lot easier. keystone already exists. the reason it is called xl because it is bigger, not because it is there already. one of the issues you have to deal with is i think this is an important point that you have to take on keystone because it's a symbol, an important one. that shouldn't be lost. what should be remembered are the truths about canadian oil sands. they are coming into the country already. they will continue to come into the country. whether or not keystone is stopped. >> i think very simply, here's what the truth is, the truth is the president of the united states, the congress and the american people have got to say this is it. not only do we not want a keystone xl pipeline, but we have got to fundamentally transform our energy system away from coil, away from oil, and into sustainable energy and energy efficiency. people talk about economics. we're fighting for the future of the planet. we're talking about more and more sandies and irenes, which cost huge amounts of money in terms of rebuilding those communities, not to mention the future disasters that we'll see. >> yet, here strikes me as the problem. on march 22nd, a symbolic vote in your august body, the senate, 72-37 against a symbolic resolution calling for approval of the keystone pipeline including democrats, quite a few, baucus, casey, connelly, and senator pryor of the great state of arkansas. >> i don't know how the president walks away considering he's appeared in the election period in front of the pipelines. he said he was expediting the southern half, he said he was waiting for the governor of alaska to approve routing. waiting for the state department to give approval. i don't know how he says no to keystone. even though he probably should. >> i want to ask after the break, how do you say no to keystone? 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