0 morning. >> can't wait for the hand of. >> that's all in for this -- that we look forward to it as well. that's it for tonight, live from ukraine. alex wagner tonight begins right now. thanks for all of you for joining us tonight, we start with breaking news about ivanka trump and jared kushner. new york times reports tonight, the both kushner and trump, have been subpoenaed by special have been subpoenaed by special counsel jack smith as part of his investigation into former president trump's roll in the january 6th attack. now, if you watched the house january 6th committee hearings last year you might remember that one of the signal moments was a piece of video the committee played featuring ivanka trump. a big question the committee was trying to answer was how much people in the white house believed the lie that they were pushing, that the election had been stolen. so it nattered when the committee asked trump's opinion of attorney general bill barr's statement which was made on december 1 of 2020 that there wasn no widespread fraud in th election. it mattered this was how the president's daughter responded. >> it affected my perspective. i respect attorney general barr, so i accepted what he was saying. >> the h former president's daughter testified that more than a month before january 6th she knew the election had not been stolen. ivanka trump is also a key witness to the events on january 6th itself. not only did she accompany her father backstage at the rally at the ellipse where president trump encouraged his followers to march to the capitol and fight like hell, but ivanka trump was also with president trump ins the oval office in t white house dining room during some of the key 187 minutes that day, the minutes between when the attack started and when trump finally urged his supporters to go home. as the january 6th committee wrote in its final report, ivanka trump repeatedly returned to the dining room to counsel her father throughout the day. each time ivanka trump thought she'd made headway with her father, trump's chief of staff, mark meadows, called to say the president still decided and one point led to ivanka going to kushner's office next door because she needed to regroup and collect herself. so there's a lot to ask ivanka trump about. and it appears also from the january 6th committee's final report that trump thus far has not been as transparent as she might have been.mi late in the morning on january 6th president trump made a call to vice president pence. trump tried to pressure pence to block or delay the certification of the electoral college results. ivanka trump's chief of staff testified to the committee that ivanka told the staffer that president trump was so upset on that phone call that president trump called pence the "p" word. this is something you would think you would remember. but when the committee asked ivanka trumpmi if there were an particular words she remembered from that call, she responded, no. as for jared kushner's utility as a witness, he was not personally at the white house on january 6th but he was there as a top trump advisor throughout the attempts to steal the election. kushner has thus far been decidedly dismissive about those efforts and their effects. here he isei describing how trump's white house lawyers reacted to trump's efforts to stay in power. >> jared, are you aware of instances where pat cipollone threatened to resign? >> like i said my interest at that time is i'm trying to get as many done, i know him and the team were always saying we're going to resign, we're not going to be here if this happens or that happens. i kind of took it up to be wining to be honest with you. >> you know those white house lawyers always wining about threatening to resign. so it is news tonight special counsel jack smith maz subpoenaedaz jared kushner and ivanka trump. republicans in congress are already hard at work on their counter offensive. both of the clips i just showed you tonightju of ivanka trump a jared kushner's depositions, both of those clips came from the january 6th investigation prime time hearings on june 9th. both of them were played during the 8:00 p.m. hour. if you watched fox news at 8:00 p.m. that night you would not have heard thoseyo depositions. instead you would have heard this. >> good evening andha welcome t tucker carlson. it tells you about the priorities of ourls ruling clas that the rest of us are getting yet another lecture of january 6th tonight. an outbreak of mob violence, a forgetably minor outbreak but they've never stopped talking about it. the whole thing is insulting, in fact it's deranged and we're not playing along. this is the only hour on an american news channel that will not be carrying their propaganda lie. >> fox news host tucker carlson has been literally leading the pack in trying to whitewash the events of january 6th. he produced a three part documentary series called patriot purge to try to suggest it was all a false flag operation, which is why it is such a big deal that house speaker kevin mccarthy has now decided to give tucker carlson exclusive access to 44,000 hours of january 6th security camera footage. and it is not just incredible that speaker mccarthy gave this footage to this specific fox news host but that he gave it to any journalist at all. politico reports that the chief of capitol police and house sergeant at arms, both of them did know not this footage was going to be given to fox news until it was reported this week in the press. every piece of footage the january 6th committee aired was cleared withe capitol police i advance to make sure they weren't compromising the security of the building by either showing where security cameras are or how security responded on that day. and now speaker mccarthy has handed all the security footage over t to a fox prime time hosto be foxified or whatever exactly happens over there. mccarthy certainly seems a lot less concerned about the safety and security ofle the capitol these days, which is a very far cry from the way he felt on january 6th, at least according to jared kushner. >> i heard my phone ringing, turned the shower off, saw it was leader mccarthy who i had a good relationship with. and he said i'm over at the capitol and please anything you can do. ig got the sense they were -- was scary. >> they meaning speaker mccarthy had people on the hill because of the violence? >> he was scared, yes. >> in addition tos releasing these 44,000 hours of security footage to a right-wing propaganda machine, speaker mccarthy is now fund-raising off this decision. he's soliciting money by declaring that america requires truth and transparency over partisan games. senate leader chuck schumer today blasted speaker mccarthy for the move saying it posed grave security risks for anyone who worked at the capitol. and this afternoon benny thompson, the former chair of the housee january 6th committ, he gave a private presentation to house democrats about what this all mines. joining us now is benny thompson, the democratic congressman from mississippi and former cochairman of the januar 6th committee. thank you for taking the time to be here. we really appreciate it. and i would just love to get your first thoughts and reaction from the inside the democratic caucus about the decision on the part of the speaker of the house. >> well, thank you very much for having me, alex. let me just say that the democratic caucus in its entirety was absolutely flabbergasted that the speaker would make 44,000 hours of video available v to any news media without any standards, any protocols, or any notification of leader jeffries or house administration or anybody. democrats just like others heard about it in the press. so that's not how you do it. we put ourselves at risk as a country, as a congress person in the capitol. there are a number of items that our committee put together and we viewed all of this material. we setup a separate section to be viewed by individuals who had been cleared. each one had a password to look. we worked out with the capitol police towi make sure that we d not compromise security at any point. it's clearin now as far as we kw there's the possibility of security risk because cameras are located in a lot of areas. as you know a lot of us had to be marshalled out of the capitol during the insurrection. all of that is on footage, and it compromises the integrity and security of the capitol. i think speaker mccarthy has someke explaining to do, quite honestly. >> i mean it's awfully strange behavior from a party that purports to be the party of law and order to directly compromise the safety of those who are charged with keeping everyone safe. i wonder if you think this is part of the bargain that speaker mccarthy made to the right-wing members of his caucus who were publicly asking for this footage to be released. do you think this is part of the devil's bargain he made in early january? >> oh, there's no question about it. i think we'll see some other things over time also that says in order for him to get the speakership, he had to give up everything. and as you know fox news was one of the major networks promoting the big lie. it's coming out in the dominion voting case that they knew specifically that the election had not been stolen but they kept repeating the big lie. and so now you give the footage to the big lie station so they can s do the damage that they he been d talking about all the ti. look, the men and women who protected us, alex, over 150 absolutely, hurt, some still o work, some lost their lives. and the men and women who work in the capitol every day deserve the best security possible. given this video to fox or tucker carlson or the network is clearly a dereliction of duty of the speaker. at some point he needs to be held accountable for what is clearly something thator puts t security of the united states capitol at risk. >> there's also just -- beyond the security concerns which are grave,on there's also the idea that the speaker of the house is willingly handing over government footage to i -- i mean io don't even want to use the word news to describe what fox is, but a propaganda machine,t effectively, and wha precedent that sets. i mean should other outlets now request this footage, too? is that the way to combat -- what is their suggestion to people in the media here? >> first of all, we set protocols in place to look at the footage. we worked it out with the capitolut police. we did it in a manner that would not compromise security at all. my understanding is the capitol police didn't know that the i footage had been released, made available to fox until they read about it in the press. that ispr not how you do a security related issue. the chief of the capitol police is a qualified individual. we worked with him. it was a good relationship between our committee and the capitol police. and to my knowledge we never had a single breach of that protocol while we had the film in our custody. >> i have to ask you o because do also have the breaking news tonight that special counsel jack smith is subpoenaing ivanka trump and jared kushner, their testimony for his investigation. do you have -- what's your reaction to that? >> well, i think our special counsel is i moving in the righ direction. we made available to them all of the depositions and other information that we had gleaned over the 18 months of that investigation. they wanted it earlier but we felt we hadar to complete our work. in that work is significant information. you understand the difference id our work and a prosecutor their potential criminal activity is what they do. we were just a legislative body that were trying to get to the answers that occurred. now if criminal activity had gone on, then i think our special counsel will get to the bottom of it. we gave them the information, and we wanted to talk to vice president pence. he refused to come to us. the speaker who was the leader ignored our subpoena. otherre members of congress did like wise. i'd like to see what happens when more people get subpoenas. >> i think we all would. congressman bennie thompson, thank you as always for your timeay tonight, sir. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> now let's turn to democratic congressman dan goldman of new york, the attorney for the southern district of new york and served as lead counsel for the firstle impeachment inquiry into donald trump. the fact we have to stipulate it's the first impeachment inquiry, but i digross. congressman, let's start with the subpoenas. are you optimistic they're actually going to have to testify, or do you think we're going to get into a protracted executive privilege battle? >> i think they've waived executive privilege if they've testified in the january 6th committee. so i would expect them to at least show up. are there goingat to be things that they claim are covered by executive privilege, it's possible. but certainly nothing they've already spoken about they can now claim executive privilege. so i would expect that they will show up. i don't think they're going to litigate this and given their history with the january 6th committee. i think one of the benefits to ivanka trump showing up if mike pence is going to litigate the subpoena and going to drag on and on and on ivanka trump was there for listening to conversations with mike pence. so the special counsel can get some of that information from other witnesses including ivanka trump. >> she was in the room, a confidant to the president in a way that few others are if anyone else is. i have to ask as someone who was part of the counsel in trump's first impeachment, what sort of protocols are traditionally in place for the kind of material we're talking about, visa vi the security footage as on january 6th? as we focus on january 6th more broadly 6here, the idea the speaker of the house has handed over all this footage to a fox news host seems unprecedented in american history, but i also think in terms of the access, the breach of access that's now happened, i mean, how unusual is this, and, you know, what is the newno normal at this point in terms of security footage and compromisingan security inside e capitol building? >> well, given the security breach that occurred on january 6th it is even more shocking that the speaker would hand over tens of thousands of hours of surveillance tapes. now, justei think about what th means. it's not just simply that there is the actual footage. you would be able to figure out exactly where all those surveillance cameras are throughout the capitol. and if you, let's say, were going t promote the big lie or promote o propaganda or say, fo example, what happened on january 6th was a minor incident and you wanted today help facilitate future minor incidents, you have a road map for how to avoido detection. this is -- this is a real security issue separate and apart from the pathetic pandderring that the speaker is doing to the extreme right, and as pay back for being elected speaker and trying to pander to tucker carlson who controls the sort of extreme maga movement. >> it's the activist of the republican party over at fox at news. >> the extremist wing. activist is too reasonable. >> to be active in the gop at this stage means you are probably extreme, but setting that aside for the moment. i mean, i think there are two parts of this that are deeply concerning. one of course is the security part. but the other is what can they practically do with this? it's 44,000 hours of footage. there's a lot in there. can they actively establish a counter narrative, a visual counter narrative that will go against what the january 6th committee has presented to the american public? i mean, do you think that's possible? >> not in any complete way. but remember what we see from these republicans in the current investigations, and i'm on the committee on those -- >> you're on the committee of the weaponization of the federal government. >> right. and what they are trying to accomplish and they did this a little bit with the impeachment investigation, is a 30-second sound bite that can then be used and spun a web to create an alternative universe. so is it possible that they could cherry pick 30 seconds of video and use that as the basis for a completely fictional narrative? yes, of course, because it's what they do every day. so the possibilities for someone like tucker carlson who has no relationship with the truth is to cherry pick various portions of of it, try to weave it togetherti to try to create a false narrative that can then go through the right-wing ecosphere. >> i've got to ask you because you're in congress and obviously there's a tea party divide mere. the fact kevin mccarthy has not answered for any of this -- the only communication we have from him on themu topic are the fund-raisingop e-mails he's don now. i mean what's this do inside congress? he's preached something that has never been breached before and maybe put all of your lives at risk. is mean what are the repercussions from congress? >> well, there's not a lot of trust from the democratic caucus for the speaker. i think everyone recognizes on the democratic side that he sold his soul in order to become the speaker of the house. but what it demonstrates is not just a breach of protocol, not just a breach of security, but a breach of the rules, ethics, and practices of the house. the fact that as chairman thompson said he didn't even consult with the capitol police before releasing the capitol police's surveillance videos is remarkable. forget about democrats. if you want to claim, you know, you can make an argument wrong as it may be it's partisan. he didn't consult security experts about reviewing security footage. as chairman thompson said a true dereliction of duty to the capitol police, the people who work in the capitol, and broadly to the american people. and what can we do about it? nothing directly, but he and the other republicans willt have t answer for it at the ballot box. >> and this is a party that says they black the blue. this is the behavior of a party that says it is the party of law andit order. new york congressman dan goldman, daniel goldman. >> either way. >> thank you for being here. we have a lot to get to your time tonight including one of the most shocking pieces of legislation i've heard about in a long time. here's a hint. remember those gun pins that some members of congress were seen wearing earlier this month? plus republican ron desantis has done a complete 180 on russia. we'll dig into that. that's coming up next. that. that's coming up next. 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