outweigh any interest in executive privilege. and as here, we have the executive branch investigating conduct by the invest -- executive branch, i don't think any assertion of executive privilege will fly here. but i think executive privilege will be a successful basis to preclude answers from pat cipollone. >> is the fact that the grand jury wanted to hear from both cipollone and his deputy patrick philbin, do you think that is a sign that the investigation is focusing on trump's actions leading up to him on january 6th? >> yes, i do. they are very much members of trump's inner circle. i think you don't ask these folks questions unless you are inside of the white house and looking at donald trump himself. that is among the charges will be filed, but i think they are still looking at what conversations occurred, and we know based on what we heard in the january six committee that pat philbin impassable one