they only wanted to discuss the point about nato. the request about nato. the tricky thing here is, the thing we have to do each if we buy time with diplomacy which is effectively what they're trying to do and for the russians what they have on their side, the problem is when you have that much military on the border and beavering up the defenses on the other side, on the ukrainian side, any one gunshot could light the whole thing on fire and even if by accident and that's what we have to try to avoid and we have to offer compelling carrots, and tougher sticks to change president putin's calculation. >> i think you said you're generally pro sanction and congresswoman pramila jayapal says she would not look at sanction, and i think people are still haunted by afghanistan, haunted by that past, what do you think of that approach?