passages for international shipping. so, without a stronger u.s. military statement, which would be strikes against, for example, the houthis in yemen, this policy of deterrence isn't working. secretary of defense, former secretary of defense panetta said it a month ago. anyone who shoots at us must die. that sounds pretty dire and extreme. in essence, that is the formula for deterrence. we have not followed that. one of the things we will see as u.s. military activity in yemen in the coming days or weeks. we're going to have to do that. >> is that what you would say is getting it right in iran, what panetta said? >> you have to escalate a bit to de-escalate. you know, we have to convince the iranians and their proxies to stop firing a u.s. forces. iraq, syria, and what is happening in the red sea as well, there has to be more of an aggressive u.s. posture. it's kind of a well-known