that's the only thing nfl owners respond to, the imminent threat of litigation. >> what about the change of owners down the road? is that the only thing that's going to change things up inside the nfl, to have more diversity amongst the owners? >> yeah, the problem with the idea of more diversity among owners is there are 32 billionaire owners in the nfl. i believe there are seven billionaire black people in all of america, and we know all of their names. right? like they're just aren't enough black or brown people with the level of capital we're discussing in order to think the move is going to be to change that. even if you do change that, you don't make a billion dollars by being good to people. the issue is, we have to have laws in place that legitimately threaten people when they behave poorly or do something that is out of line. this is a systemic incident of poor behavior. so changing who the people are is not going to be what has to happen because we say this about race in every way. we think all the racists are going to age out and we'll get new ones and what do you know,