hopes that they find a narrative that will stick politically. >> what else needs to be done at this point, joyce? we know, for instance, with mark meadows, he's been threatened with criminal contempt charges. but that's about it. what needs to be done to secure the information they need from individuals like meadows, like steve bannon? >> i expect we'll hear that auto tape played back against meadows if the government is forced to compel or prosecute him. he sure makes a good case for himself as a witness saying people didn't have conversations and of course implying that other people did. but the real story with the january 6th committee's work is the volume of witnesses who are speaking to them without subpoenas and the documents that we're getting. and we see that reflected in