president zelensky, who said there was no linkage, no pressure, no pushing whatsoever, no linkage between any type of security assistance dollars and an investigation. we have the fact that the ukrainians didn't even know that the aid was held at the time of the call. and most importantly, of course, we have the fact that they didn't do anything to get the aid released. >> reporter: so, there is it is, another aspect of the republican defense, the hearsay argument, even though david holmes, that official that testified yesterday, that foreign service official, would seem to flatly contradict and rebut the hearsay argument. alex? >> i've just got to say that i laugh there at the president's tweet not because of the president's humor but the rather elementary, if not less than that nature of it. anyway, thank you very much. appreciate it, mike viqueira. the other big headline this hour, new details from the closed-door testimony of david home ames, who says he overheard the president on a phone call asking the u.s. ambassador to the eu, gordon sondland, about ukraine investigations. according to his opening statement obtained by nbc news, holmes said, "i then heard president trump ask, so he's