out corruption. >> yes, and engle is saying no it is not. and did the president violate any laws, because according to just security, and here is the quote, the very act of holding the money in the first place could have also violated the impoundment control act. and where does that come into play here? >> the republicans are putting up a process defense here. they have created this notion of a quid pro quo, and there is no legal requirement for quid pro quo, and i would argue that the commentators are trying to misdirect this all. and the best example here is article ii of the nixon articles of impeachment, and article ii says that the president abused his power by using fbi and the irs to investigate his political opponents. period. that is exactly what president trump was trying to do here. he was trying to get, use the power of his office, phone calls from, phone calls from the west