something out, because the things that he's doing aren't working. >> right. and in the absurdity of going after dr. fauci, there's also an implicit admission that former president trump hasn't figured out how to really land a punch against the sitting president. >> yeah! i mean, i think he loves attention, right? and the reason that he was able to command so much power over the republican party is that whatever he said, people responded to. and he really was gooded a at twitter. he was good at getting all of our attention and getting people to write about it. and then he lost that power and he lost the power of the presidency. and there might be this fantasy on the right that he's going to be returned magically to office, which is never going to happen. i think in his own head, he thinks it could happen, but he's trying to figure out, how could he play a role? the truth is, i don't think people are as interested in politics as they were before. i think people are returning to a normal life. i believe for some time that people are consuming way too