a foot hold in afghanistan. they went in there at about 2014 and immediately there was a clash with the taliban. they had running battles for several years, and in 2017 the taliban were able to make them retreat and stop those battles, but they still have a large presence in afghanistan, at the very least 700 people, many of them may have been in the prison where the doors were flung open when kabul fell. this is a group that is even more fundamentalist than the taliban. they think the taliban -- while the taliban were off in hotels in doha talking to the u.s., trying to figure out a way to get the u.s. out, they say these guys were fighting the u.s. troops and they're very, very hardened. they have no problem with racking up civilian casualties as we've seen.