magnitsky himself blew the whistle on massive fraud committed by the russian government and its officials, and was subsequently killed in a russian prison. bill browder is the head of -- he's ahead of the global minutes key justice campaign, which continues calls for targeted sanctions and visa bans against human rights abusers around the world. he's also the author of the upcoming book freezing order, a true story of money laundering, murder and surviving vladimir putin's wrath. bill, thank you for being with us. i knew as soon as i heard those comments, that speech by joe biden yesterday, i wanted to talk to you about it. because joe biden, deliberately or inadvertently, scripted or ad libbed, said something that a lot of people, including, you have been saying for a long time. that's latter made putin's gotta go. >> it's entirely clear that vladimir putin is a serial killer, a war criminal --