the high commission for refugees. it is the unhcr on the border of poland and ukraine. the vast majority of people exiting ukraine are choosing to go to poland. chris, thank you for being with us. chris, what is the situation? we've obviously told our viewers the numbers, they're mind-blowing and staggering. we're talking about 1.3 million people. but organizations like yours, and other refugee organizations, are saying this is a fraction of the what we're likely to see. >> yeah, it is true. so you mentioned a figure of 1.3 million. it could be up to 3, 4, even 5 million. but we don't see that yet and it is hard to predict now. the most important thing is to take care of the people. but it is a little relaxed on the border now. we had waiting times of three, sometimes four days, just a couple of days ago. now it is down to ten to 12 hours but it is still bad enough. it is really freezing here.