like, andrew? there is a lot of skepticism on the street. you just talk to people -- i was just talking with symone about how the supreme court will look at this. given your experience and what you know and what you have seen already from the court, what should we be looking for when the hearings are conversations begin in front of the court? >> substance and timing. and timing is really everything. on the substance, i think there is no way that there will be five justices on the supreme court, even the supreme court, who say there is total criminal immunity from federal prosecution for a former president particularly in this situation, even if you can carve out some area where you think a president should have some sort of immunity for instance in conducting foreign