protecting each other and providing support to ukraine. >> mr. secretary, two weeks ago, i believe president biden marked the 75th anniversary of the nato alliance. he referred to it is the greatest military alliance in the history of the world. there is a real split screen between the current president joe biden and his challenger in the u.s. election, donald trump, the former president who has made very clear that he is not a supporter of nato and has threatened to pull out many times when he himself was president. there is a lot of reporting. nbc news is reporting that nato allies are concerned about the prospect of donald trump's return. what is the conversation you are having with the nato allies? and is this something nato is doing on -- if there is no success on november 5th? >> it is important to stay out of the domestic policies.