reforms were really popular with them as well. so while defund or decreasing funding for police was not particularly popular with a number of -- with black voters and with all voter groups, those reform options were really popular. >> um-hmm. one more question for you, eliza, and, rev, i'm going to come to you. talk about the data that you use, because part of the problem of trying to understand voters of color is that the data sets can be super small to begin with, but then when it comes to particular issues, they're even smaller. so talk about the data you used. it's like 66,000 people, do i have that right? >> yes, you got it. so, harvard university does a study every presidential election year called the cooperative election study which is a really massive study survey of 66,000 americans. and so most surveys have much smaller sample sizes, and it means that you can't break out voters of color by education or