kbj, it could be judge childs, who has the strong public backing of whip clyburn. >> yes, i think that both of them are very strong front runners. i also think leondra kruger, who has spent time in the solicitor general's office, who has argued several times before the supreme court before going to california and being appointed to a state court there, is also a strong candidate. there are even more candidates, that the white house has made clear, they're looking at. so, again, i think there is a strong list of candidates. but i think the fact that it's going to be really hard for the judiciary committee and the senate more broadly to reject a candidate that they just confirmed, i think that really does give a slight edge to judge jackson. but we'll see. we never know. >> and ruth, one of the things that democrats point out is that whoever the next nominee is,