constituents and their populations that is in many ways characteristic and actually becomes a way in which the south gets mischaracterized and its people and its desires are neglected. >> talk more about that, about how the south gets mischaracterized. i mean, that's the whole premise of your book. >> right. >> but in a thumbnail. >> yeah, yes. i would say there is this -- there are a plethora of stereotypes. of course, the south is backwards, the most racist place, least developed place. people characterize it as a place of having people less intelligent. we neglect the truth of, one, the abundance of the nation depended on the south, but also those most vulnerable in the south. it is the place where extraordinary social moments have grown and it is the front line of our social crises. environmental, and certainly in the moment of the pandemic. so mischaracterization, i think,