reason. but in 2019, the supreme court said you can do more than that, and you need to challenge some of these old existing laws in georgia in light of that new decision. but that jury makeup, unless the defense lawyers are just completely wrong is an indication you might end up with a hung jury in that case. >> jury makeup is a concern as i said in a city that is 55% black, brunswick, georgia, 11 whites, one black on the jury is a concern. but the family -- the mother was on my show last night, "politics nation," she feels they're going to win. she's given me hope. and the fact that the prosecutor originally didn't want to prosecute the case and then even the governor of the state said that it should be prosecuted. a republican. it means maybe the jury will be fair. i am cautiously optimistic, but cautious. >> last question, real quick, reverend, you've been a part of