when he starts that kind of bullying pence starts to tilt and when pence is on the grounds of the capitol and he is whisked and evacuated away from the sen dmamt ber as rioters sent by donald trump reached the building, when that happens, something changes in pence and he becomes 100% convinced, i've got to certify this election. i'm going to do my job. and there were many elements of that that were really quite stunning. his insistence even though his secret service detail says, we've got to get you out of here, boss. he stays and says, no, no, we've got to finish this. he's on the phone with the secretary of defense late in the afternoon on the 6th saying, you've got to clear the building because we're going to finish this work. >> you know, michael, one of the other quotes that i didn't read but was reported earlier in the week from "peril" is donald trump also says to mike pence --