allowing the das office to impose some punishment that is subtler and more powerful. for instance, last week the das office said they would not tell donald trump's lawyers which witnesses they are calling first. that is highly unusual. it is a courtesy that is usually extended, but they don't want to do that because trump keeps running his mouth about the witnesses. that is a significant disadvantage to not know what witnesses are going to be up or which lawyers need to be ready to be on their feet. that is worse than the money. >> thank you both very much for coming to the saturday show, and a programming note on monday, tune into msnbc for special coverage of opening statements in former president trump's election interference trial, and then at 8:00 eastern we will break down the latest in this case. tune in monday starting at 10:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. up next, more on the drama on capitol hill as the house