when you had martin luther king and meggr evers, you had dozens of african countries throwing off the shackles of colonialism. the pursuit of social justice has always been connected taa global sense of justice. i think that's what the united states at its best stands for. that's what the people were storming the beaches to do, but something we have to globealize our vision just as we have to globealize it at home. >> i say a lot that world war ii, one of the things people don't realize it did, it launched the modern civil rights movement. because a lot of black soldiers came home and demanded the right to vote, and a lot of african nations emerged into liberation. you saw country after country liberating themselves. there was a movement toward more freedom. china and russia are in there. ben rhodes, always a pleasure talking to you. i appreciate you being here. all right, and coming up