countries like china. china at the u.n. and this forum, i wouldn't be surprised when you look at the propaganda and the news that china is backing anti-semitic propaganda and russia as well. it's part of this complicated new geopolitics. oftentimes when we see things like this, people with good faith views they think they want to protect civilians in gaza, but sometimes there are other forces that are trying to undercut american or european or israel's view, and it's a clash of different ideologies and quite often some of those clashes are being conducted by those who are behind the scenes like china. >> very interesting, the bigger picture is something people lose sight of. coming up, i spoke with leonard mckelby, charlamagne tha god about rebuilding the diverse coalition of voters that helped biden win the 2020 election. and their insightful new podcast. that fascinating conversation is next.