yes, yes, yes, i need food, i'm not able to feed my family. that very brave man who was in the scene we just saw that ali was reporting on is a responsible parent who is out there saying yes. this is the situation that i'm in. but we have found there is so much stigma attached with hunger, it's the people who were above the poverty line pre-covid, that 15, 18% of americans that dropped below the poverty line in march of last year, april of last year, those are the ones who were not jumping up and down raising their hand. it's absolutely heartbreaking. it is all related to those four cs, climate change, cost, covid and conflict. >> you know, it's interesting you mentioned climb change, cost, covid, conflict. there is a big debate right now